further more couldn't jesus just as easily said sabbath was made for israel not israel for the sabbath? also forgive me that I didn't post replies to some of you replies to me- when I'm browsing I dont usually go to previous pages from the latest post, so I try to keep up. reason- I'm lazy and cant be bothered.
You want me to believe that you're asking questions, and you are too lazy to revisit the answers? I dont buy that CRon. I know you dont like my answers, that's why you dont respeond. Most SDA dont try to give answers to my questions because they have none.
I am labeled a SDA hater, because I dont read in the bible what they're often saying?
Do I lie about what SDA believe or do I bring some issue to light?
That's why RND will disrupt my threads with wreckless abbandon while he post dozens of threads against my beliefs.
RND said:
Crib, your quote stands unfortunately....no matter how you try to spin it.
I guess be me defending what I believe, it questions what others believe.
The crazy thing is, I want to know from SDA why do you believe the way you do?
Why do I preach that your sabbath is OK but you preach that my worship is not? I'm I attacking you or are you attacking my faith?
It is, what it is, CRon. We dont question what Jesus said to change it. We should only try to apply it to understanding. If your private interpretations contradict other scriptures, let it go. Should you continue to argue about word definitions against people like Webster who wrote dictionaries? I posted all the bibles and we can even look as the first English bibles .....Schofield and Tyndale, these men were martyrs for their translation hundreds of years before SDA was born. I gave my well researched opinion and we disagree...MAN is not rendered MANKIND... let's move on.org
Why did I say that Jesus meant Israel by "man"?
It's only my opinion, but here it is;.....
The Pharisees knew and said that Moses gave them the law. Jhn 9:29We know that God spake unto Moses: [as for] this [fellow], we know not from whence he is.
SDA argue that it was passed down from creation.
Jesus spoke at the sermon on the mount about the commandments and who they recieved it from; (not in these text below, see Matt 5,6,7) Here is the often dialog with the Pharisees
Jhn 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even]
Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Moses, in whom ye trust.
It;s funny to me how SDA would say: Yea, Jesus is God, those are His laws.He gave it to Moses.
What make it a little more clear is in the sermon on the mount, Jesus did remind them about wher the got the commandments from, but the creation ordinance of marriage He made clear. Hey, now we can say that God did not intend for "mankind" to divorce.
Sabbath was not discussed by Jesus as a creation ordinance, so as part of the law, it was given to Moses, who gave it to the COI.
Some reasons why "man" is more appropriate than "mankind" is
#1.Jesus did not come unto "mankind", He came unto His own (the COI) and they recieved Him not." So saying He came unto "man" means he came unto man not "mankind"
#2.Jesus could have went to Kings of the world and declare the law and commendments, but that's was not God's plan.
#3. God predestined a plan to save "man" not "mankind" we cant change the words to support our doctrines.
I now see why SDA must argue for "mankind" vs "man" because it's a pillar of their creation instituted Sabbath. The fact is history proves that this understanding in new. The Clear Word bible proves what their prophetess has establish as what SDA believe.
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