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Originally posted by seebs
What a different place the world would be if, in 1 Corinthians, Paul had said "does not nature teach you that it is a shame for a man to use artificial products to shape his hair?"

Perhaps, but I get the impression that those guys don't spend a great deal of time worrying about the Bible when determining their conduct. 

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Originally posted by euphoric
Is this an informed opinion based on a coherent analysis of the motivations of inappropriate content stars or are you speaking out of a secondary orifice again? :rolleyes:

-brett

I heard somewhere (radio preacher?  not sure) a good percentage (30%) of Baptist ministers are addicted to inappropriate contentography.  I'm dubious about that claim.  More than one, sure, but I'm not sure 30% or even 20% are "addicted".  and how did they define "addicted"?  An "addiction", even an 'obsession" with such is by definition different than addictions to alcohol, drugs, etc.  Everybody likes something.  Moreover, how to define "inappropriate contentography"?  In my experience those who are against it give it an overly broad definition.  Are magazines like Playboy and Penthouse inappropriate contentographic?  I would say no.  Silly, yes.  Harmful to women in that they idealize the "Barbie" figure, yes. 

I think there IS a good possibility, and probably good evidence, that a good number of clergy are sexual addicts of some sort.  The amount of progeny produced by clergy of various fundamentalist sects attests to that.  The amound of exploitation of women by clergy---which dwarfs the Catholic Priests and altar boys thing---is huge.  The hypocricy of those who commit private sins in this form versus their public pronouncements is monumental. 

I think the movie "Boogie Nights"  accurately portrays the inappropriate content industry.  Mark Wahlberg played a character loosely based on the late inappropriate content star John Holmes.  He was a loser who was well endowed in the male anatomy department and recruited by a inappropriate content director played by Burt Reynolds.  After his career went downhill, so did he.  The impression was that these people, not unlike Sports Heroes or legitimate movie stars, are not the brightest lights on the planet. 

I'd compare it to choices among ghetto youth such as, work at Mickey D's for minimum wage, or, deal drugs?  Hmmm.    As Eldridge Cleaver said "What is irrational to the mother country may seem rational to the colony." 

 
 
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When we talk about sin, The Bible has to come up, No opinions allowed, unless they come from the bible.

-Ephesians 5:3-5 - <SUP>3</SUP>But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. <SUP>4</SUP>Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. <SUP>5</SUP>For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

-If the bible says 'no hint of sexual immorality,' then Christians must obey it. Doesn't mean they aren't Christian just because they didn't obey it a few times in the past, but they must HATE EVIL and turn to righteousness.

-Now all Christian's must hate their past sins, repent and turn to God. Sure we fall short all the time! we are all sinners, but we need to continually repent.

-As for helping people out:

Hebrews 6:10-continue to help God's people.
John 13:34-35- Love one another. Love people by helping their spiritual needs. Have uncondiotional love.
Hebrews 10:24-25 - Spur one another on toward 'good' deeds.
Hebrews 3:13 - Encourage one another daily.
Ezekiel 33:8-9 warn each other of sin.

- Sure Jesus hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. He did it for a reason, one to bring unity among everyone as believers. Did the prostitute continue to be a prostitute, I don't think so, God asks everyone to change+repent of their old lives. (Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19).


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Okay, but as a matter of practice greed is tolerated far more than sexual immorality. I have my concerns about what sexual immorality might have meant in this passage, but we'll just assume for argument's ake tht it applies here (the passage doesn't indicate that - seems like another extra-Biblical assumption to me), and sexul immorality is generaly tolerated far more among men than women. This passage says as much about greed as it does about sexual immorality, and yet the latter appears to be higher on the list of conservative Christian priorities. Does that prioritization not come from extra-biblical sources? This particular pasage, BTW does not say that one must hate evil; it exhorts people to do good. The effort to derive a principle that someone having once participated in part of the sex trade must now show regret in adition to turning away fro it would appear to be coming from outside this particular passage. Could it be that the effort to enorce a sense of shame on people is itself extra-biblical?
 
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Originally posted by seebs
Obviously, it's not enough for a person to repent to God; the person has to show enough shame that I can use it to manipulate him.

Seebs, You are right our salvation is a private matter between ourselves and God.

I pray that she will realize that sin is always regrettable to a Christian. I have a hard time believing that she truly feels the way she portrays herself... Without regret.

In looking back I think it was merely a bold statement to protect the human side of her. Deep in her heart where her love for God and his Spirit lives I feel that there is an untapped well of regret that needs to be released. We do not need to harden ourselves for this world. For it is the meek that will inherit.

For just a moment ... Think of us as Children. Think of sins as cookies in a cookie jar.

Now this one little child really is drawn to a cookie. So he sneaks one when he thinks that his Father is not watching. He eats it and enjoys it. But then after the pleasure passes... he thinks about it and feels sad that he has gone against his Fathers wishes. He looks for his Dad and cries to him telling him that he is sorry. His Father holds him tight and forgives.

Now this other child is also drawn to the cookies. She reasons that she is hungry and she should help herself to the cookies. She grabs the jar and eats the cookies until she is completely full. When she thinks of what she has done she feels no regret. She took care of herself and she is proud. She does not look for the Father and he is not able than to forgive.

But Seebs, You are right it is none of my business. :sigh:

There has been much talk on this thread about sins and Christians. There seems to be a misunderstanding that some sins are held in more contempt them others. I think that is because some sins are more apparent and our deliberately flaunted. It is not that they are worse but instead because of the way they are presented they are met with far more objection.

It is my believe that with God it is easiest if we trust in his power to lead us from sin. We can not keep relying on our own wisdom and believe that living a sinless life is impossible. We can overcome this world. But until we then... I feel an enormous sense of LOVE and gratitude to a God who will pick me up when I fall and allow me the forgiveness that I seek.

Praise God! :clap:
 
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Originally posted by Brimshack
BTW, another area where christian ethics are routinely set aside in favor of practical concerns would be international politics. Bring up the subject of a possible war, and/or questions about the appropriate means of fighting it, and I see very few conservative Christians even discussing it in terms of their faith. Suddenly their analysis is based solely on secular concerns. Killing civicilans? Heck, sometimes that's necessary right (Hiroshima, nagasaki, Dresden, etc.), and God will apparently understand. But no, a woman caught with kids and few options in the marketplace is expected to follow Christian ethics to a 'T'. The flexibility comes and goes on these isues, and it seems least available to mothers. Businessmen and politicians seem to have a few get-out--of-Hell free cards.

I completely detest war!

But I understand that sometimes war is necessary... that does not mean that I embrace it.

I could not harm another individual to protect myself. But that is not true when I think of my children. I could kill to keep them from harm if it were necessary.

I stand behind my country. I pray that God will speak to our leaders.

I pray that peace will come to our Earth. But in my heart I know that only the return of Christ will fulfill that prayer.

Sometimes I agree with those who feel Christ's return to be eminent. I can sense the Spirit within me reaching out and calling him back.

On a more personal note...

Brim: I am happy that you have decided to speak to me again. :)
 
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Originally posted by Stormy
Seebs, You are right our salvation is a private matter between ourselves and God.

I pray that she will realize that sin is always regrettable to a Christian. I have a hard time believing that she truly feels the way she portrays herself... Without regret.

I have a hard time articulating this, but I have had an experience like that. Let me give an example; I can say with some certainty that there was some sin involved with my relationship with one of my girlfriends. That girlfriend is now my beloved wife of eight years (as of tomorrow, actually; today it's just seven). Was there sin? Yes. Do I regret getting involved with her? No.

I'm not sure I'd say I "regret" that relationship. Repent? Sure. Wish maybe I had done things differently? I don't know; it's too hard to get my head around.


There has been much talk on this thread about sins and Christians. There seems to be a misunderstanding that some sins are held in more contempt them others. I think that is because some sins are more apparent and our deliberately flaunted. It is not that they are worse but instead because of the way they are presented they are met with far more objection.

Ahh, Stormy. I love you. You're a good person, and I think sometimes you forget that other people aren't all like that. Presentation may be affecting you, but I promise you, there are people who are very imbalanced in their feelings about sin.

I would guess that the majority of people here would look down on a teenage girl who had sex with a boyfriend a lot more than they'd look down on a teenage girl who shoplifted a pack of bubblegum once.

I sometimes do too, until God reminds me.
 
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I LOVE You all!!

Merry Christmas!

I am today, as a child with tears of joy in my eyes.

It is so hard to grasp the wonder and beauty that is God!

Give Praise. :bow:


Today is a strange Christmas for me. There is a dear friend who can not make it home. He is snow bound and this is his child's first Christmas. He is so sad.

He does not know it yet. But the rest of the family and I decided to hold off the presents and the holiday feast until Saturday so that he can be here. We will wait for him.

I thought that Christmas would just pass like any other day. But it is like the little people of the Grinch Tale.

Christmas has came without boxes and bows. Without turkey and pie... Christmas has arrived.

Now I must keep the glow that is inside of me alive until Saturday.

Maybe then I will be able to keep it the rest of the year too.

LOVE :)


As a side note: The one that we wait for is an athesit. We all love him very much.... For Love does not judge. I think that is what Jesus was meaning. Still I will continue to tell him of Christ for I want him to know my joy.
 
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"Is this an informed opinion based on a coherent analysis of the motivations of inappropriate content stars or are you speaking out of a secondary orifice again? "

:rolleyes: brett as always you miss the point, why don't you find me an interview with a inappropriate content star saying she is down and out and had to turn to inappropriate content. then we can talk, I'm willing to be the vast majority did it because 1. they like to have sex 2. for the money (ie quick money and lots of it) or 3. to break into hollywood somehow.
 
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Originally posted by Texas Lynn
I heard somewhere (radio preacher?&nbsp; not sure) a good percentage (30%) of Baptist ministers are addicted to inappropriate contentography.&nbsp; I'm dubious about that claim.&nbsp; More than one, sure, but I'm not sure 30% or even 20% are "addicted".&nbsp; and how did they define "addicted"?&nbsp; An "addiction", even an 'obsession" with such is by definition different than addictions&nbsp;to alcohol, drugs, etc.&nbsp; Everybody likes something.&nbsp; Moreover, how to define "inappropriate contentography"?&nbsp; In my experience those who are against it give it an overly broad definition.&nbsp; Are magazines like Playboy and Penthouse inappropriate contentographic?&nbsp; I would say no.&nbsp; Silly, yes.&nbsp; Harmful to women in that they idealize the "Barbie" figure, yes.

First, let me stop to say that I'm glad you're here.&nbsp;&nbsp;People capable of intelligent discourse are always a pleasure.&nbsp; Second, I agree with you on all of the above points.&nbsp; The term "addiction" is thrown around way too much these days, especially in regards to this topic.&nbsp; An Addiction is a specific, compulsive response to stimuli in the brain.&nbsp; Anything that doesn't meet a specific set of criteria cannot be rightly called an addiction.&nbsp; That doesn't mean that those habits can't be very hard to break, it just means they are not clinically an "addiction."

The&nbsp;point of what constitutes inappropriate contentography is also a difficult discussion to achieve agreement in.&nbsp;&nbsp;In many cases one man's (or woman's) inappropriate contentograhpy is another man's art.&nbsp; On the other hand, some things, say, for example Martian Bimbos in Space 4, are clearly inappropriate contentographic.&nbsp; Not a condemnation on my part, just clarification of terms.&nbsp; For example, I do not consider Playboy to be inappropriate contentographic in the sense of it being obscenity.&nbsp; I'm sure others here would disagree.&nbsp;

As for preachers, I think it's more than a few and probably less than many people think.&nbsp; I do have to tell this story on that note though.&nbsp; I was hanging out with a friend of mine who worked as a dancer at a club here in town.&nbsp; We were in the upstairs area of the club chatting and I thought I recognized the guy at the next table.&nbsp; As it turns out it was a prominent leader in the anti-inappropriate contentography crusade here in Dallas.&nbsp; He seemed to be enjoying the lapdances for a guy who spends most of his working life trying to shut the places down. :)&nbsp;&nbsp;

Originally posted by Texas Lynn
I think the movie "Boogie&nbsp;Nights" &nbsp;accurately portrays the inappropriate content industry.&nbsp; Mark Wahlberg played a character loosely based on the late inappropriate content star John Holmes.&nbsp; He was a loser who was well endowed&nbsp;in the male anatomy department and recruited by a inappropriate content director played by Burt Reynolds.&nbsp; After his career went downhill, so did he.&nbsp; The impression was that these people, not unlike Sports Heroes or legitimate movie stars, are not the brightest lights on the planet.&nbsp;

I saw the movie, and I think it was probably very representative of the inappropriate content industry twenty years ago.&nbsp; Things seem to be substantially different now.&nbsp; I don't think most of them are ready for honorary doctorates from Harvard yet, but a good number of the actresses seem to at least have a fair amount of business savy these days.&nbsp; IIRC one major starlet actually has a degree in microbiology.&nbsp; Of course for every one of those, there are probably a hundred who are as you said, not that bright.

Originally posted by Texas Lynn
I'd compare it to choices among ghetto youth such as, work at Mickey D's for minimum wage, or, deal drugs?&nbsp; Hmmm.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As Eldridge Cleaver said "What is irrational to the mother country may seem rational to the colony."

I think you hit the nail on the head here.

-brett
 
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Originally posted by Outspoken
:rolleyes: brett as always you miss the point, why don't you find me an interview with a inappropriate content star saying she is down and out and had to turn to inappropriate content. then we can talk, I'm willing to be the vast majority did it because 1. they like to have sex 2. for the money (ie quick money and lots of it) or 3. to break into hollywood somehow.

&nbsp;:rolleyes: :( :scratch: :sick:&nbsp; No, Outspoken, once again it is you who has missed the boat here.&nbsp; The motivations of most inappropriate content stars are irrelevant.&nbsp; I was simply pointing out your tendency to state things that are your opinion (however correct they may or may not be) as fact.&nbsp; You can make an educated guess perhaps, but you don't know what motivates inappropriate content stars any more than I know for a fact what motivates astronauts.

-brett
 
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Originally posted by euphoric
As it turns out it was a prominent leader in the anti-inappropriate contentography crusade here in Dallas.&nbsp; He seemed to be enjoying the lapdances for a guy who spends most of his working life trying to shut the places down. :)&nbsp;&nbsp;

Field research. Gotta be sure what you're fighting.
 
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Originally posted by Outspoken
"The motivations of most inappropriate content stars are irrelevant. "

LOL, that's exactly what we were speaking on. If you can't keep up, please don't comment, thanks.

Hint: read the rest of what I said.&nbsp; The point of that post was to outline your tendency to state your opinion as fact.&nbsp; It does not matter how accurate your opinion turns out to be, it's still a terrible habit.

-brett
 
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Originally posted by seebs
Field research. Gotta be sure what you're fighting.

Field research at the rate of twenty bucks a pop.&nbsp; I'd wager that if he was researching, he is now the most educated man in our fair metropolis on the subject. :)

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