Can christians drink alcohol?

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Which is a greater sin: to falsely accuse the brethren, or to drink?

If drinking in moderation was condemned in Scripture, Scripture would have said this -- the very same Scripture which clearly predicted this day.

While those who have not read the Gospels or Ecclesiastes or Timothy may be confused: God does not condemn drinking in moderation.

The same Pharisees who put Jesus to death did. They claimed Jesus was an "alcoholic". Jesus responded, 'God asks for mercy over sacrifice, go and learn what that means'.

Personally, I think it is fine when someone chooses not to drink: as long as this does not lead them to make false accusations or insinuations against those Christians who do.

There are plenty of fine Christians who drink in moderation and God is their judge.

Be wary of setting up false standards of judgement thinking, "Well, I do not drink, so I may condemn those who do". Because when you set up any false standard you open the door to being judged by an equal standard that may be different.

If someone says, "Drinking encourages rape, incest, murder" and so on: they are insinuating then that Christians drinking are a party to such foul crimes.

They forget, the Bible condones drinking and Jesus Himself drink, so their accusations ultimately are hitting against Christ.

So, it is real simple: if you do not wish to drink and wish to encourage that, what problem is there in that? But, when one starts to actually distort Scripture and use their own sacrifice for a point of accusation against fellow Christians they are putting themselves in judgement for they are accusing the One who sanctifies these Christians and doubting the salvation of that Spirit, in the Blood of Christ.

Regardless, false accusations in no way hurt Christians whom they are aimed at, but they do hurt those who think them. God spoke heavily against 'thinking evil of your neighbor'. We are not under Law, but we are under the word of Christ which warns against wrongful judgement.

Usually, those who have some such slim standard to judge people's salvation also have many others. Ultimately, whether these rules are written or not, they are teaching people salvation is by following their rules, and thereby preventing salvation by grace. This is exactly the message the Pharisees taught -- and Christians should take heed, not to be like them.

The Pharisees were not risen up by accident that they were the primary nemesis of the Lord Jesus Christ. But they were risen up specifically to show what sorts of enemies the message of grace has.

If someone were to choose between being judged a drunk or a Pharisee, they would do well to worry more about being a Pharisee then a drunk.

It is not drunks that put Jesus to death.

I have nothing more to say on this matter, as it is a trivial matter which no one should pretend confusion on.
 
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Well Freeport good points but lacks any commonsense.

Because the alcohol that our Lord Jesus Christ drank was the normal drink for the day, as grapes were the main source of liquid, as water was in shortage. And wine was used also to put into water to kill the bacteria.

Alcohol today is deliberately made to entice, and to make people drunk so they will buy more. Alcohol drinking of today, CANNOT be compared to drinking wine in the days of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Today, they drink alcohol to get drunk and to make themself feel great, so they can go out and get drunk to pick a fight or glass someone with a broken glass.

Come on mate, never encourage anyone to drink alcohol, when they don't need to drink alcohol.

There are more alcoholics today, than in the days of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And I know a number of alcoholic Christians who says they are only a social drinker, and they have a hide to advise new Christians that's it's okay to drink, because Jesus drank. What a cop out!

And by the way, the Bible doesn't say anything about smoking pot, injecting heroin, and taking any form of drugs either.

Blessings.:)
 
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... I don't really know the ins and outs here - I just know that my rector comes into the local pub for a pint becauase that's where the people are. He shows himself to be an average kind of man and speaks to just about everyone in there, including me, reaching a wider public for doing it.
 
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Drinking is OK, as long as you meet three conditions:

1) You are of legal age. (Romans 13:1-5, 1 Peter 2:13-21)

2) You do not get drunk. (Romans 13:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:18, 1 Peter 4:3)

3) Your drinking does not cause yourself or others to fall into sin. There are a lot of recovered alcoholics out there who don't need to drink or be around drinking. (1 Corinthians 10:12, Romans 14:20-21)
 
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"Everything is permissible (allowable and lawful) for me; but not all things are helpful (good for me to do, expedient and profitable when considered with other things). Everything is lawful for me, but I will not become the slave of anything or be brought under its power." (1 Corinthians 6:12, Amplified Bible)

What does the bible say about alchohol? God tells us that the drink...

  • “Cheapens your life” (Ephesians 5:18)
  • Dulls your expectation of the coming of God/day of the Lord (Luke 21:34).
  • “Take away the understanding” and “wisdom” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Rob [you] of [your] senses” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Leave my people in a stupor” (Jesus, Hosea 4:11)
    [*]Results in faulty judgment (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes it so you don't know right from wrong (Proverbs 31:__)
    [*]Leads to poverty (Proverbs 23:21)
    [*]Leads to sorrow “Who are the people who are always crying the blues?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Leads to self pity “Who do you know who reeks of self-pity?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Damages your body and makes you sick “Don't judge wine by its label, or its bouquet, or its full-bodied flavor. Judge it rather by the hangover it leaves you with—the splitting headache, the queasy stomach. Do you really prefer seeing double, with your speech all slurred, Reeling and seasick, drunk as a sailor?” (Proverbs 23:31-34) They “stagger from drink, weaving, falling-down drunks, besotted with wine and whiskey, can't see straight, can't talk sense." (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes a fool of you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Leads to mocking/scorn (verse)
    [*]Leads to fights, quarrels/quarrelsomeness, meanness and strife (Proverbs 23:29-30, Isaiah 28:8, Hosea 7:5, Proverbs 20:1).
    [*]Hurts the people who depend on you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Is a disgrace. (Habakukk 2:15)
    [*]Leads to contempt of/having nothing to do with God’s work and "pay[ing] no mind to what he is doing.” (Isaiah 5:12)
    [*]“Keeps you from performing at your peak potential and stops you from having the kind of reliable energy you need to best serve your Creator. ....Dietary poisons...irritate your system, affect your moods, cloud your mind, and rob your body of strength and health. As a result, your effectiveness, your relationship with others and with God and your length of time on this planet are negatively affected.” (Body By God)
    [*]Dishoners God (2 Corinthians 6:12-20)
    [*]Squanders your life. “Don’t squander one bit of this marvelous life God has given us. ...We can't afford to waste a minute, we must not squander these precious daylight hours in frivolity and indulgence, in sleeping around and dissipation, in bickering and grabbing everything in sight. Get out of bed and get dressed! Don't loiter and linger, waiting until the very last minute. Dress yourselves in Christ, and be up and about!” (2 Corinthians 6)


Instead, Jesus challenges us to behave “decently”, “honestly”, “properly” and “becomingly.”

”Wild parties, drunkenness, sexual immorality, promiscuity, rivalry, and jealousy cannot be part of our lives.“ (Romans 13:13).

"Do you not know that your body is the temple (the very sanctuary) of the Holy Spirit Who lives within you, Whom you have received [as a Gift] from God? You are not your own, You were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for, made His own]. So then, honor God and bring glory to Him in your body." (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

"Whether you eat or drink, whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31).
 
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"Everything is permissible (allowable and lawful) for me; but not all things are helpful (good for me to do, expedient and profitable when considered with other things). Everything is lawful for me, but I will not become the slave of anything or be brought under its power." (1 Corinthians 6:12, Amplified Bible)

What does the bible say about alchohol? God tells us that the drink...

  • “Cheapens your life” (Ephesians 5:18)
  • Dulls your expectation of the coming of God/day of the Lord (Luke 21:34).
  • “Take away the understanding” and “wisdom” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Rob [you] of [your] senses” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Leave my people in a stupor” (Jesus, Hosea 4:11)
    [*]Results in faulty judgment (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes it so you don't know right from wrong (Proverbs 31:__)
    [*]Leads to poverty (Proverbs 23:21)
    [*]Leads to sorrow “Who are the people who are always crying the blues?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Leads to self pity “Who do you know who reeks of self-pity?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Damages your body and makes you sick “Don't judge wine by its label, or its bouquet, or its full-bodied flavor. Judge it rather by the hangover it leaves you with—the splitting headache, the queasy stomach. Do you really prefer seeing double, with your speech all slurred, Reeling and seasick, drunk as a sailor?” (Proverbs 23:31-34) They “stagger from drink, weaving, falling-down drunks, besotted with wine and whiskey, can't see straight, can't talk sense." (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes a fool of you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Leads to mocking/scorn (verse)
    [*]Leads to fights, quarrels/quarrelsomeness, meanness and strife (Proverbs 23:29-30, Isaiah 28:8, Hosea 7:5, Proverbs 20:1).
    [*]Hurts the people who depend on you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Is a disgrace. (Habakukk 2:15)
    [*]Leads to contempt of/having nothing to do with God’s work and "pay[ing] no mind to what he is doing.” (Isaiah 5:12)
    [*]Dishoners God (2 Corinthians 6:12-20)
    [*]Squanders your life. “Don’t squander one bit of this marvelous life God has given us. ...We can't afford to waste a minute, we must not squander these precious daylight hours in frivolity and indulgence, in sleeping around and dissipation, in bickering and grabbing everything in sight. Get out of bed and get dressed! Don't loiter and linger, waiting until the very last minute. Dress yourselves in Christ, and be up and about!” (2 Corinthians 6)


Instead, Jesus challenges us to behave “decently”, “honestly”, “properly” and “becomingly.”

”Wild parties, drunkenness, sexual immorality, promiscuity, rivalry, and jealousy cannot be part of our lives.“ (Romans 13:13).

All this deals with immoderate drinking, not just sitting down and having a drink.
 
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being drunk is clearly wrong, and having a master other than Jesus is clearly wrong. nowhere in the Bible does is say 'do not consume alcohol'. every time I take communion, I drink wine. in 25 years of going to church, I've never been told not to drink alcohol. Now, when I was baptized, I wasn't dunked like the baptists do. I don't count a rosary or any of the catholic things. The word is clear, the denominations have their own rules.
 
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being drunk is clearly wrong, and having a master other than Jesus is clearly wrong. nowhere in the Bible does is say 'do not consume alcohol'. every time I take communion, I drink wine. in 25 years of going to church, I've never been told not to drink alcohol. Now, when I was baptized, I wasn't dunked like the baptists do. I don't count a rosary or any of the catholic things. The word is clear, the denominations have their own rules.

I see you have already posted some very helpfull posts. Welcome to the forums! God bless.


What does the bible say about alchohol? God tells us that the drink...
  • “Cheapens your life” (Ephesians 5:18)
  • Dulls your expectation of the coming of God/day of the Lord (Luke 21:34).
  • “Take away the understanding” and “wisdom” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Rob [you] of [your] senses” (Hosea 4:11)
    [*]“Leave my people in a stupor” (Jesus, Hosea 4:11)
    [*]Results in faulty judgment (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes it so you don't know right from wrong (Proverbs 31:__)
    [*]Leads to poverty (Proverbs 23:21)
    [*]Leads to sorrow “Who are the people who are always crying the blues?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Leads to self pity “Who do you know who reeks of self-pity?” (Proverbs 23:29)
    [*]Damages your body and makes you sick “Don't judge wine by its label, or its bouquet, or its full-bodied flavor. Judge it rather by the hangover it leaves you with—the splitting headache, the queasy stomach. Do you really prefer seeing double, with your speech all slurred, Reeling and seasick, drunk as a sailor?” (Proverbs 23:31-34) They “stagger from drink, weaving, falling-down drunks, besotted with wine and whiskey, can't see straight, can't talk sense." (Isaiah 28:8)
    [*]Makes a fool of you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Leads to mocking/scorn (verse)
    [*]Leads to fights, quarrels/quarrelsomeness, meanness and strife (Proverbs 23:29-30, Isaiah 28:8, Hosea 7:5, Proverbs 20:1).
    [*]Hurts the people who depend on you (Proverbs 31)
    [*]Is a disgrace. (Habakukk 2:15)
    [*]Leads to contempt of/having nothing to do with God’s work and "pay[ing] no mind to what he is doing.” (Isaiah 5:12)
    [*]“Keeps you from performing at your peak potential and stops you from having the kind of reliable energy you need to best serve your Creator. ....Dietary poisons...irritate your system, affect your moods, cloud your mind, and rob your body of strength and health. As a result, your effectiveness, your relationship with others and with God and your length of time on this planet are negatively affected.” (Body By God)
    [*]Dishoners God (2 Corinthians 6:12-20)
    [*]Squanders your life. “Don’t squander one bit of this marvelous life God has given us. ...We can't afford to waste a minute, we must not squander these precious daylight hours in frivolity and indulgence, in sleeping around and dissipation, in bickering and grabbing everything in sight. Get out of bed and get dressed! Don't loiter and linger, waiting until the very last minute. Dress yourselves in Christ, and be up and about!” (2 Corinthians 6)


I guess this means we cant use toothpaste because if you eat tubes of this stuff I'm sure you will become robbed of your senses.
 
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Alcohol is a temptation. Beware of it. It could lead to dangerous paths. I know a pastor who believes that the solution to the drinking problems of alcoholics is not alcohol itself but a problem with facing God or a problem in their Christian lives. Alcohol enables a person to overlook their problems. I cant paraphase it exactly. But beware.
 
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