The One Reading.....

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2009

Woule like some thoughts on this from others.

I like studying the greek and the different forms of words used and while translating Revelation some time back, I looked at this greek word for "reading" and decided to see where and how many times it was used.

This greek word #314 is used 32 times in 29 verses in the NT but only 1 Time in Revelation

Revelation 1:3 Happy/blessed the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.

Parcing the greek word shows it has the suffix meaning "up/above" and the root word for "know-lege".

Generally when we read something we either read it for knowledge or entertainment or because we are told to.

The Bible is more concerned with divine-knowledge of the spiritual things so in essence this word literally translates as "above-knowledge". Thoughts?

314. anaginosko an-ag-in-oce'-ko from 303 and 1097; to know again, i.e. (by extension) to read:--read.
303. ana an-ah' a primary preposition and adverb; properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through. In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.
1097. ginosko ghin-oce'-ko a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

Standing Up · Mar 26, 2009

It appears that one reads and ones hear. FWIW.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 28, 2009

Standing Up said:
It appears that one reads and ones hear. FWIW.

That appears correct.
This word is only mentioned 1 time in Revelation out of the 32 times used in the NT/NC.
Using a greek/english interlinear I decided to see where this particular form of this word is used.

This exact word form is used only 3 times in the NT/NC, 2 of those in the Olivet Discourse of the Gospels concerning Daniel's prophecy.
How would those in Matt 24/Mark 13 be able to "read" when they see the AoD and another question is why is the prefix "ana" used? Thoughts?

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.

Matt 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation the being declared thru Daniel the prophet having stood in a place, holy (the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) let be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720) [Mark 13:14]

Standing Up · Apr 28, 2009

Another stab at it.

The time association between the prophecies looks interesting. Daniel to Jesus, John to ?

Also it was apparently only Daniel who understood the 70 year captivity was ending?

MamaZ · Apr 28, 2009

The one hearing is the one understanding..

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 28, 2009

MamaZ said:
The one hearing is the one understanding..

Tis true. What I am asking about thou is why is the prefix "ana" added to the root word for "knowledge"?
I would say that represent knowledge from "above" not from "below". It seems to be similar to the greek word #507 also. Not really sure

John 8:23 And He said to them, "Ye out of the below are, I out of the above/anw <507> Am.
Ye out of this, the world, are. I not Am out of the world, this.

Textus Rec.) John 8:23 kai eipen autoiV umeiV ek twn katw este egw ek twn anw eimi umeiV ek tou kosmou toutou este egw ouk eimi ek tou kosmou toutou

507. ano an'-o adverb from 473; upward or on the top:--above, brim, high, up.

MamaZ · Apr 28, 2009

Because true knowledge is of God through His Spirit..

This is how one has the ear to hear or the eyes to see.. Through Gods grace His elect can see and hear through the Spirit which is from Above and not below?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 28, 2009

MamaZ said:
Because true knowledge is of God through His Spirit.. This is how one has the ear to hear or the eyes to see.. Through Gods grace His elect can see and hear through the Spirit which is from Above and not below?

Yepperz. Now if we can only get the Jews/Rabbis to see that since they are mentioned in Revelation.

For the record, I view most if not all of Revelation as fulfilled for the Jews

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the Time nigh.

Revelation 22:10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this, that the Time NIGH/egguV <1451> is"

Standing Up · Apr 28, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
-snip-

For the record, I view most if not all of Revelation as fulfilled for the Jews

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the Time nigh.

Revelation 22:10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this, that the Time NIGH/egguV <1451> is"

Revelation fulfilled for the Jews? Why? Fulfilled for others?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 28, 2009

Standing Up said:
Revelation fulfilled for the Jews? Why? Fulfilled for others?

I would say that Revelation is the fulfillment of the NC JESUS brought to OC "israel/judah" as explained in their own scriptures concerning the NC

Notice the same greek words used in both Hebrew 8:8 and Matt 24:3 :wave:

Hebrews 8:8 "For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold, days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a Covenant, New [Jeremiah 31:31]

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-Finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [1 Corin 15:23,24]

MamaZ · Apr 28, 2009

I know this is how you see it LLOJ..

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 28, 2009

MamaZ said:
I know this is how you see it LLOJ..

Well a lot of it I didn't see "clearly" until I started delving into the hebrew and greek some years back. :wave:

Standing Up · Apr 28, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would say that Revelation is the fulfillment of the NC JESUS brought to OC "israel/judah" as explained in their own scriptures concerning the NC

Notice the same greek words used in both Hebrew 8:8 and Matt 24:3

Hebrews 8:8 "For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold, days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a Covenant, New [Jeremiah 31:31]

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-Finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [1 Corin 15:23,24]

So, that refers to 70ad. Right?

Where does Revelation already fulfilled come in?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2009

I forgot about this thread.
The greek word #314 literally means "above knowledge".

What is interesting also is a form of thegreek word for "mind" is used in Matt 24 and Mark 13 of the Olivet Discourse, which I believe is the same event as showing in Revelation.

I could even read this as having the "mind of Christ" as He represented the "Above". Thoughts?

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.

Matt 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation the being declared thru Daniel the prophet having stood in a place, holy (the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) let be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720) [Mark 13:14]

314. anaginosko an-ag-in-oce'-ko from 303 and 1097; to know again, i.e. (by extension) to read:--read. [Used 32 times in NT.
303. ana an-ah' a primary preposition and adverb; properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through. In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.
1097. ginosko ghin-oce'-ko a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

3539. noieo noy-eh'-o from 3563; to exercise the mind (observe), i.e. (figuratively) to comprehend, heed:--consider, perceive, think, understand.

sunlover1 · Aug 5, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
I forgot about this thread.
The greek word #314 literally means "above knowledge".

What is interesting also is a form of thegreek word for "mind" is used in Matt 24 and Mark 13 of the Olivet Discourse, which I believe is the same event as showing in Revelation.

I could even read this as having the "mind of Christ" as He represented the "Above". Thoughts?

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.

Matt 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation the being declared thru Daniel the prophet having stood in a place, holy (the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) let be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720) [Mark 13:14]

314. anaginosko an-ag-in-oce'-ko from 303 and 1097; to know again, i.e. (by extension) to read:--read. [Used 32 times in NT.
303. ana an-ah' a primary preposition and adverb; properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through. In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.
1097. ginosko ghin-oce'-ko a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

3539. noieo noy-eh'-o from 3563; to exercise the mind (observe), i.e. (figuratively) to comprehend, heed:--consider, perceive, think, understand.

Sounds logical since that would harmonize with the rest of Scripture.
I don't have a good bible program for my macbook yet, but I know that
there is a lot of Scripture concerning our minds and thoughts.

1 Corinthians 2:16
"For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:15-16 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 2 (Whole Chapter)
Romans 8:6
The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;
Romans 8:5-7 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter))
1 Samuel 15:29
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind."
1 Samuel 15:28-30 (in Context) 1 Samuel 15 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 7:37
But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virginthis man also does the right thing.
1 Corinthians 7:36-38 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 7 (Whole Chapter)
Lamentations 3:21
Yet this I call to mind and therefore I have hope:
Lamentations 3:20-22 (in Context) Lamentations 3 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 46:8
"Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels.
Isaiah 46:7-9 (in Context) Isaiah 46 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1 Corinthians 14:13-15 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 14 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 21:29
" 'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
Matthew 21:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 21 (Whole Chapter)
John 6:6
He asked this only to test him, for he already had in mind what he was going to do.
John 6:5-7 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 14:15
So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
1 Corinthians 14:14-16 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 14 (Whole Chapter)
Romans 8:7
the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
Romans 8:6-8 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 64:6
They plot injustice and say, "We have devised a perfect plan!" Surely the mind and heart of man are cunning

Those are just a couple of many.
Didnt they take the word repent from a greek word meaning to change one's mind?

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter)

visionary · Aug 5, 2009

In Rev 10.. the answer is in the scroll,... this "above knowledge" is the divine click our mind has when God puts it all together. While the Book of Revelation has been with us for over 2000 years and we have had just as many study it deeply trying to understand it, it will be those that are called to "come up hither" that God will reveal the "above knowledge" and then they will be commanded to "prophesy again" to all nations. We have not done that yet as a body of believers because we have not spiritually come to that spot in faith where we are prepared to "come up hither"... It would be like being invited to climb Mount Sinai when God came to talk to Moses, very few are ready for such a reality.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2009

sunlover1 said:
Sounds logical since that would harmonize with the rest of Scripture.
I don't have a good bible program for my macbook yet, but I know that
there is a lot of Scripture concerning our minds and thoughts.

Those are just a couple of many.

Didnt they take the word repent from a greek word meaning to change one's mind?

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:14-16 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter)

Thank you so much for that post!

I would say yes.....

Scripture4all - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Mark 1:15 And saying "has been filled the Time and has-neared the Kingdom of the God.
Be ye reforming/repenting!/metanoeite <3340> (5720)! and be ye believing!/pisteuete <4100> (5720) in the Good-Message. [Luke 21:31/Reve 16:11]

Revelation 16:11 And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them. And not they repent/reform/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the works of them.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

3340. metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o from 3326 and 3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.

3326. meta met-ah' a primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly, denoting accompaniment; "amid" (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive association, or accusative succession) with which it is joined;
3539. noieo noy-eh'-o from 3563; to exercise the mind (observe), i.e. (figuratively) to comprehend, heed:--consider, perceive, think, understand.

sunlover1 · Aug 5, 2009

LittleLambofJesus said:
Thank you so much for that post!

I would say yes.....

Scripture4all - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Mark 1:15 And saying "has been filled the Time and has-neared the Kingdom of the God.
Be ye reforming/repenting!/metanoeite <3340> (5720)! and be ye believing!/pisteuete <4100> (5720) in the Good-Message. [Luke 21:31/Reve 16:11]

Revelation 16:11 And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them. And not they repent/reform/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the works of them.

3340. metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o from 3326 and 3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.

3326. meta met-ah' a primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly, denoting accompaniment; "amid" (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive association, or accusative succession) with which it is joined;
3539. noieo noy-eh'-o from 3563; to exercise the mind (observe), i.e. (figuratively) to comprehend, heed:--consider, perceive, think, understand.

Oh cool. Thank you! I feel sort of nakey without my Libronix program.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 5, 2009

sunlover1 said:
Oh cool. Thank you! I feel sort of nakey without my Libronix program.

One great thing I like about Interlinears, and especially the ISA, is not only do you read verses in the way they are in the greek, but this one parses the word so you can see not only the ROOT word, but the PREFIXES and SUFFIXES of them, which show gender, case and tenses of a word.

I also like to show both the verse and greek text together when posting them....Thoughts?

Scripture4all - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Mark 1:15 And saying "has been filled the Time and has-neared the Kingdom of the God.
Be ye reforming/repenting!/metanoeite <3340> (5720)! and be ye believing!/pisteuete <4100> (5720) in the Good-Message. [Luke 21:31/Reve 16:11]

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Textus Rec.) Mark 1:15 kai legwn oti peplhrwtai o kairoV kai hggiken h basileia tou qeou metanoeite kai pisteuete en tw euaggeliw

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 26, 2010

I forgot about this thread

The One Reading.....

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

On and on

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

On and on

MamaZ

Guest

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

MamaZ

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

On and on

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

MamaZ

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

On and on

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Beloved, Let us love one another

Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Beloved, Let us love one another

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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