What made us live in a house?

They are desperately trying to deny the presence of God. If you don't want to follow Christ, you really don't want to see any evidence of Him because it's convicting. That's what I think anyhow.

juvenissun said:

I want to single this one out. Because it bothers me a lot.

I don't care what xxxlogical evidences are there, so far, I don't see any apes live a life like we do. Why do so many people insist blindly that we evolved from some apes. Can they see that we wear clothes and we drive cars? Why don't they count these facts into the evolution theory?

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Um Juvenissun, building a structure to sleep in is a common trait among primates.

I cannot think of one off hand that dose not build a "house." Edit, of the great ape family.

Mrs Amys Music said:

They are desperately trying to deny the presence of God. If you don't want to follow Christ, you really don't want to see any evidence of Him because it's convicting. That's what I think anyhow.

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Since most people who accept evolution in the United States are Christians, you might want to rethink your position.

juvenissun said:

I want to single this one out. Because it bothers me a lot.

I don't care what xxxlogical evidences are there, so far, I don't see any apes live a life like we do. Why do so many people insist blindly that we evolved from some apes. Can they see that we wear clothes and we drive cars? Why don't they count these facts into the evolution theory?

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I don't understand why you would expect other apes to drive cars and wear clothes if they were evolutionarily related to us. Adam didn't drive a car -- does that mean we're not descended from him, either?

LewisWildermuth said:

Since most people who accept evolution in the United States are Christians, you might want to rethink your position.

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Most global historic Christians have been Creationists. America is evenly divided between Christians who say God did it by evolution and Christians who argue a Creationist position

juvie, there's nothing about evolutionary theory that denies the evolution of new technologies and behaviours in man. Like I said, Adam didn't drive a car, and neither did he wear stylish clothes. Heck, like apes, he did wear any clothes at all, in the beginning! I don't know why you're not also questioning our relationship to him.
Your argument is just plain silly, if not desperate. It betrays an abominable understanding of the evolutionary theory. I don't know what else to tell you.

juvenissun said:

So, where is the ape descendant through these millions of years, who also ... say, wears (stylish) clothes.

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juvenissun said:

I want to single this one out. Because it bothers me a lot.

I don't care what xxxlogical evidences are there, so far, I don't see any apes live a life like we do. Why do so many people insist blindly that we evolved from some apes. Can they see that we wear clothes and we drive cars? Why don't they count these facts into the evolution theory?

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Because they are not relevant. Humans did not begin to drive cars until the 20th century and we don't know just when they began wearing clothes, but it was probably after 1) they lost most of their thick body hair and 2) they moved into cooler climates. In any case it was well after humans and chimps went their separate evolutionary ways.

Why do you think chimps, or other non-human apes need to live like we do for evolutionary theory to be valid? (And remember, humans are also apes.)

juvenissun said:

What made us live in a house?

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Rain? An early democratic impulse of private property?

How about: It was an evolutionary advantage.

You can see for yourself, humans lack a lot of fur, thick layers of blubber, scales, etc etc etc for keeping the elements at bay. So being able to build a shelter and stay in one would confer *gasp* an advantage in NOT DYING OF EXPOSURE!

Wooo.

Metherion

juvenissun said:

You avoided the question. If ape had an evolution history as long as we have. Why is there such a big difference today?

I don't think anyone can answer my question by theory of evolution. My purpose is simply reminding evolutionist don't just look at those scientific studies, but overlooked the MOST OBVIOUS fact everyone can easily see.

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A result of speciation, juvie, is that the separated groups go DIFFERENT ways. Why are you expecting them to be the same as us after 5 million years of heading in a different direction?

juvenissun said:

At earlier time, I used raising fire to illustrate the dramatic difference on the mental capability between ape and human (don't correct me, I am not an ape). It was a polite way of argument. Beyond using fire, we developed a slew of technology which goes far far beyond any ape can do, even giving them another 50 millions of years time to evolve.

The more I think of this, the more angry I feel toward evolutionist who insist we evolved from ape. Forgive me to say this, I really feel they are stupid. They are blinded by sciences, just like Solomon said about 3000 years ago.

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Solomon had no problem realising we are animals
Eccles 3:18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.
So if you are not a great ape like the rest of us beasts, what sort of organism are you? And how do you manage the keyboard?

juvenissun said:

At earlier time, I used raising fire to illustrate the dramatic difference on the mental capability between ape and human (don't correct me, I am not an ape).

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Ape is a category of species. It's more specific than "mammal" but less specific than "human" or "chimpanzee." Sometimes Hollywood uses the word "ape" to describe a certain animal that you are probably picturing in your mind. But the species of animal you are picturing is "gorilla." There is no "ape" species just as there is no "mammal" species. Humans are apes, just as humans are mammals.

And, yes, there is a drastic difference in mental capability between humans and gorillas. But that isn't an argument against evolution. On the contrary, evolution is the theory that describes the reason for the diversity of life.

juvenissun said:

So, where is the ape descendant through these millions of years, who also ... say, wears (stylish) clothes.

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I know plenty of humans who don't wear stylish clothes, therefore evolution!! this whole thread is classic argument from incredulity, and from a professor no less!!

theFijian said:

this whole thread is classic argument from incredulity, and from a professor no less!!

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juvie is definitely not a professor.

Mallon said:

juvie is definitely not a professor.

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Oh but just ask him, he'll tell you himself!! wont' you juvie?