Can I get a little help with interpretation of Revelation, Daniel, ect?

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Originally Posted by LamorakDesGalis
Ezekiel also saw four living creatures - Ezekiel 1:6 and 1:10 (Cherubim).
In Isaiah the Seraphim praised God in the same way as the living creatures in Rev 4.

So I understand the living creatures to be angels along the lines of the Cherubim and Seraphim
I understand your interpretation, and it seems to make sense, but if they are only angels, what are they doing "in the midst of the throne?" (Revelation 4:6)

lets continue those are great connections

Cherubim and Seraphim, were created above the angels. Their relation to the throne can be seen as uniquely part of the Holy Ghost's person. These can therefore be understood as functions and persons of the Holy Ghost, Not the Holy Ghost initself, which is the Christ. With respect to the person of the Holy Ghost, the Cherubim, as tribulation. And Seraphim as testimony.

Christ has labored through his Saints. Since the creation of ADAM, to the near end of the 1st Resurrection Rapture. To bring forth the gospel, and gospel truth concerning the prospect of salvation for ADAM, meaning to be judged of christ. The function of the Seraphim, as a person, and as a person of the Holy Ghost, which is of Christ. Is to govern the testimony, and bring testimony through, a saint, or son of man, meaning for correction for the glory of the Christ.

The Cherubim. More closely relates again to tribulation. tribulation is the process where by which. Christ finds those acceptable for his kindgom. You can accurately say the bible is a story book of tribulation, after and for the Christ. These functions are beyond the understanding of a fleshy being. So through the Cherbim, then through the Seraphim, then through the/a son of man or saint. Is the purpose of the Christ, concerning his tribulation/rapture is made manifest. With the prospect that some will be saved.

For example. ADAM is currently in a period of tribulation. Governed by Christ through the person of the Holy Ghost, through the person of the Cherubim, which is of Christ. During this tribulation period, which begun in 1988, or more accurately March, 25 1988 (assumptive day,date). The Door to Heaven had been closed. Eliminating the possibility of salvation for any one living and dead also, who were not already of the Christ. Which i probably have more fingers on one hand then any individuals having salvation from the christ to this date, and until the beginning of the 1st Resurrection Rapture.

Christ appointed 2 witnesses, to testify of his purpose. of the last tribulation period for the 1st Resurrection Period, with begun with ADAM, which ends with the last one beginning in 1988. The Holy Ghost, through the person of the Seraphim, which is of the Christ. Has revealed this purpose to the last son of man, of the 1st Resurrection Period. This testimony governed by the Holy Ghost, through the Seraphim, which is of Christ. Is the voice, unique to the testimony, purpose, and understanding of that son of man. Rightly dividing the purpose and emphasis of his testimony for and of the Christ.

lets continue - a look at scripture

I'm going to paraphrase Ezekiel 1:5 to 1:10

Ezekiel 1:5
Cherbim, as in tribulation of the person of tribulation

Ezekiel 1:6
Relation of Cherbim to testimony, the person of Seraphim

Ezekiel 1:7
These are of the Holy Ghost, which is of Christ. And also of the Kingdom of Heaven

Ezekiel 1:8
Christ has labored, for his glory that these be made manifest. Tribulation, to his glory. Testimony to his glory. Even his Saints to his glory.

Ezekiel 1:9
The Person of the Holy Ghost. Is of the Christ and of the Godhead. Serving the purpose in all its diverse mannors to glory after the Christ.

Ezekiel 1:10
The Person of the Holy Ghost. Is of one person. Of Christ, and for the Christ. Through his mercy the manifestation of his law, the gospel, his word.

REVELATION 4:6 - lets look
The kingdom of Heaven is rightly divided and exhaulted by tribulation. This is of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, of the Christ, being one in the same.

(cough) Christ is freedom. Therefore the Kingdom of heaven is freedom. Freewill can then be a distant relative extented to Creation during, and only during tribulation periods. Without Christ there is no freedom or freewill. Thisis the mistake of mankind, being within the 1st Resurrection Period. and very soon (HAHA). Mankind will not have any freewill, no none at all.
 
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lets continue those are great connections

Cherubim and Seraphim, were created above the angels. Their relation to the throne can be seen as uniquely part of the Holy Ghost's person. These can therefore be understood as functions and persons of the Holy Ghost, Not the Holy Ghost initself, which is the Christ. With respect to the person of the Holy Ghost, the Cherubim, as tribulation. And Seraphim as testimony.

Christ has labored through his Saints. Since the creation of ADAM, to the near end of the 1st Resurrection Rapture. To bring forth the gospel, and gospel truth concerning the prospect of salvation for ADAM, meaning to be judged of christ. The function of the Seraphim, as a person, and as a person of the Holy Ghost, which is of Christ. Is to govern the testimony, and bring testimony through, a saint, or son of man, meaning for correction for the glory of the Christ.

The Cherubim. More closely relates again to tribulation. tribulation is the process where by which. Christ finds those acceptable for his kindgom. You can accurately say the bible is a story book of tribulation, after and for the Christ. These functions are beyond the understanding of a fleshy being. So through the Cherbim, then through the Seraphim, then through the/a son of man or saint. Is the purpose of the Christ, concerning his tribulation/rapture is made manifest. With the prospect that some will be saved.

For example. ADAM is currently in a period of tribulation. Governed by Christ through the person of the Holy Ghost, through the person of the Cherubim, which is of Christ. During this tribulation period, which begun in 1988, or more accurately March, 25 1988 (assumptive day,date). The Door to Heaven had been closed. Eliminating the possibility of salvation for any one living and dead also, who were not already of the Christ. Which i probably have more fingers on one hand then any individuals having salvation from the christ to this date, and until the beginning of the 1st Resurrection Rapture.

Christ appointed 2 witnesses, to testify of his purpose. of the last tribulation period for the 1st Resurrection Period, with begun with ADAM, which ends with the last one beginning in 1988. The Holy Ghost, through the person of the Seraphim, which is of the Christ. Has revealed this purpose to the last son of man, of the 1st Resurrection Period. This testimony governed by the Holy Ghost, through the Seraphim, which is of Christ. Is the voice, unique to the testimony, purpose, and understanding of that son of man. Rightly dividing the purpose and emphasis of his testimony for and of the Christ.

lets continue - a look at scripture

I'm going to paraphrase Ezekiel 1:5 to 1:10

Ezekiel 1:5
Cherbim, as in tribulation of the person of tribulation

Ezekiel 1:6
Relation of Cherbim to testimony, the person of Seraphim

Ezekiel 1:7
These are of the Holy Ghost, which is of Christ. And also of the Kingdom of Heaven

Ezekiel 1:8
Christ has labored, for his glory that these be made manifest. Tribulation, to his glory. Testimony to his glory. Even his Saints to his glory.

Ezekiel 1:9
The Person of the Holy Ghost. Is of the Christ and of the Godhead. Serving the purpose in all its diverse mannors to glory after the Christ.

Ezekiel 1:10
The Person of the Holy Ghost. Is of one person. Of Christ, and for the Christ. Through his mercy the manifestation of his law, the gospel, his word.

REVELATION 4:6 - lets look
The kingdom of Heaven is rightly divided and exhaulted by tribulation. This is of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, of the Christ, being one in the same.

(cough) Christ is freedom. Therefore the Kingdom of heaven is freedom. Freewill can then be a distant relative extented to Creation during, and only during tribulation periods. Without Christ there is no freedom or freewill. Thisis the mistake of mankind, being within the 1st Resurrection Period. and very soon (HAHA). Mankind will not have any freewill, no none at all.

Can I ask you how you recieved this knowledge?
 
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What is the meaning of all the eyes on the creatures/beings?
All seeing, as guardians of God's throne nothing escapes their attention. The Hebrew tribes surrounding the Tabernacle served the same purpose. As they camped on all four sides of the Tabernacle, there were many eyes watching over the Tabernacle.

Daniel is closely related to Revelation, most of his prophecies are fulfilled in the coming “great tribulation” (Rev 6:14) of 3.5 years. Daniel refers to the great tribulation as the “time of the end” (11:35, 40; 12:9); the “time of wrath” (“indignation,” KJB)(36) and “a time, times and half a time” (12:7).

As prophesied by Daniel, the great tribulation will last 42 months (Rev 11:2; 13:5) which is equal to 1,260 days (11:3; 12:6) or “a time, times and half a time” (12:14). A “time” = 1 year; “times” = two years and “½ a time” = ½ year for a total of 3.5 years. There is a future period of 7 years prophesied by Daniel but only the second half of 3.5 years is the great tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble.
 
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All seeing, as guardians of God's throne nothing escapes their attention. The Hebrew tribes surrounding the Tabernacle served the same purpose. As they camped on all four sides of the Tabernacle, there were many eyes watching over the Tabernacle.

Daniel is closely related to Revelation, most of his prophecies are fulfilled in the coming “great tribulation” (Rev 6:14) of 3.5 years. Daniel refers to the great tribulation as the “time of the end” (11:35, 40; 12:9); the “time of wrath” (“indignation,” KJB)(36) and “a time, times and half a time” (12:7).

As prophesied by Daniel, the great tribulation will last 42 months (Rev 11:2; 13:5) which is equal to 1,260 days (11:3; 12:6) or “a time, times and half a time” (12:14). A “time” = 1 year; “times” = two years and “½ a time” = ½ year for a total of 3.5 years. There is a future period of 7 years prophesied by Daniel but only the second half of 3.5 years is the great tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble.

Kotel, I know what you've said is what is taught in the church but when you compare it to the Bible, it is technically incorrect.

What I mean is that there is no scripture that refers to the great tribulation, as Jesus taught about it in Matt 24, as being 7 years long/final seven years or even 3 1/2 years long.

The great tribulation is different than the 3 1/2 year time of wrath.

Daniel 12 mentions two time periods that make up the final seven...1290 days in regards to the abomination of desolation of Israel and 1335 days in regards to "blessed are those who wait for and reach" the end of it.

Side note: It's interesting to me that if you add the two together, it is 3 1/2 months outside of 7 years. With all of the 3 1/2's in Daniel and Revelation, it would seem that this is significant.

Anyway, it seems that the final week has been divided into two parts, separated by a 2000 year great tribulation which we are nearing the end of and which is cut short for the sake of the elect (the elect are the 144,000 of Israel who will be protected during the final 3 1/2 years - Rev 7/Rev 9/Rev 14) when the Northern armies invade Israel and the elect is gathered at the last trumpet (Joel 2)....(not the 7th trumpet, but the 2nd of two, as God ordained it in Leviticus)

What remains is the 1335 days which is the time of wrath.

Jesus was clear in Matt 24 that the false christ/false prophet who performs false miracles come AFTER the great tribulation ends.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

1. Abomination of Desolation of Israel
2. Great Tribulation
3. Great Tribulation cut short
4. False Christ/false prophets perform false miracles
 
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What is the meaning of all the eyes on the creatures/beings?

You must remember this chapter is explaining the person of the Holy Ghost. And the diverse purposes and nature of this person as it serves to Glory Christ. Ezekiel was a Saint. As is every other person who recieved testimony from the Christ and thus recorded to his Glory in the bible. And yet other Saints who recieved testimony for yet other purposes as in Son of Man (correction) or Saint. These are of the same. Only Saints recieve testimony from the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit is of the same, but different in that this communication is for the true believer. We will learn more so lets continue Ezekiel 1:11 1:20, i may complete the chapter, in paraphrase.

lets continue

Ezekiel 1:11
The Person of the Holy Ghost, is both part of the Godhead. Uniquely Divine. And also of Christ, and Christ, that is to say of one God.

Ezekiel 1:12
The Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are of same. The manifestation of the Holy Spirit being the birthplace of salvation. This is to say, this manifestation is tried by the Christ to his glory.

Ezekiel 1:13
The Holy Ghost as the Holy Ghost for the Kingdom of Heaven. The Holy Ghost as the Holy Spirit for the Spiritual Kingdom of Heaven, also called the "church of Christ". These lead the Spirit to perfection. Through influence of the Christ, and from Christ.

Ezekiel 1:14
The Holy Spirit, or the expression of the Holy Ghost to the true believer. Is in presence only and not in person.

Ezekiel 1:15
The Holy Spirit, is made to expression, through the mercy of the Christ. This is describing the restriction Christ places on the Holy Ghost, to the true believer.

Ezekiel 1:16
The Holy Spirit, is in expression only, and in presence only, not in person, and also because of these the nature is different then the Holy Ghost. These being the same, Christ has labored the Holy Spirit to function as the birthplace of the salvation process.

Ezekiel 1:17
The Holy Spirit has a unique relationship to the true believer

Ezekiel 1:18
listen carefully. The work of the Holy Spirit is to try those that are true believers. This is the function of the Holy Spirit, continual function and presence, purpose. To Glory in Christ is to accept salvation anew. all this is done so that a few can be saved. although there is only 12months remaining to this purpose, given in the 1st Resurrection Period.

Ezekiel 1:19
You are of the "spiritual Church" of Christ, Not of the Kingdom of Heaven. The Holy Ghost is made manifest to you as a true believer, as the Holy Spirit. these are of the same, from your intrepretation.

Ezekiel 1:20
The restriction placed on the Holy Ghost makes its nature the Holy Spirit, and is the Holy Spirit. Unless you are of the Kingdom of Heaven, you are with Christ with respect to the Holy Spirit. This does not mean you have salvation if you are lead by the Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 1:21
To be with the Holy Ghost, is to be moved of the Holy Ghost. To be with the Holy Spirit, is to be moved of the Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 1:22
The Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit, is to the Glory of the Christ. His judgement, and his mercy.

Ezekiel 1:23
In context, the portion of the Holy Ghost, is carried out through tribulation and testimony. Not of the person, but of the Christ. (to be lead of the Kingdom or/and the spiritual church of Christ) (amended for reproof)

Ezekiel 1:24
yes, walk with Christ. What is of Christ is Christ. The Manifestations of the Holy Ghost are of the same to Glory after the Christ.

Ezekiel 1:25
in context, this discussion is of the Christ, and for Christ

Ezekiel 1:26
The Holy Ghost is of the Kingdom of Heaven and of Christ.

Ezekiel 1:27
Christ through the person of the Holy Ghost. has furnished a Kingdom for himself. Which is of Christ, and for Christ.

Ezekiel 1:28
The witness the glory of the Christ is like, accepting eternal life through Christ, anew. The voice is of the Holy Ghost, for the kingdom of heaven.
 
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