I have been converted, I no longer buy evolution

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Sounds like you initially took evolution on face value rather than actually read anything about it, because your source is terrible and I can't imagine that being very convincing if you had a strong background in the theory.
 
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Sounds like you initially took evolution on face value rather than actually read anything about it, because your source is terrible and I can't imagine that being very convincing if you had a strong background in the theory.
He was joking.
 
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Eric, it's shocking just shocking what you said about evolution not being true. Are you a nut.

To tell you the truth I too do not believe in the scientific review process and the fast acceptance of, ballderdash ! Creationist for life !

There ya go people theres your joke.^_^
 
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" God did it, next question " There, now you don't have to think anymore.

I'm sorry for your de-evolution.

The thing most Christians don't understand is that they can have an answer in the form "God did it, but this is what science says happened, thus this is how God did it, so now what can we learn from that."

God of the gaps is only bad if you stop at that. If you keep trying to fill in the gaps which science, then I don't see what is wrong with God of the gaps. God of the gaps is like knifes, most people can be intelligent about it, not use it, and if they do, they use it properly. But for some reason, a small portion of the population acts like they have something to prove, and start throwing knifes around like crazy.
 
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In all my study I have never seen an argument this compelling, I am just at a loss for words.....

How I know evolution is a CROCK!

You call that a compelling argument? Let's see how compelling this "flood facts" video really is...

More than 270 cultures around our world have a legend of the flood.

So what? He's committed his first logical fallacy. The fallacy of the majority. If so many believe A to be true, then A must be true. Wrong. If one person's belief can be wrong, then everyone's belief can be wrong, and so the number of people who believe something is in no way evidence for the truthfulness of a belief.

Geologists find erosion features all over the world. Coal seam span the entire globe. Some of them hundreds of feet thick.

Billions of years of life, death, decay, and weather are the explanation for today's land features, mineral deposits, and fossil fuel reservoirs. Not a worldwide flood. Additionally, their research is laughable. According to the scientific method, a researcher is supposed to observe the data first, then make a conclusion. Seems like Mr. Hovind has chosen his conclusion first, and diligently cherry-picked data to support it. FAIL.

On Mount Everest, they even find clams. Now when a clam dies, it relaxes and opens up. These are found in the closed position, 450 miles from the beach, and 5 1/2 miles above sea level.

Millions of year ago, the Indian subcontinent was by itself, so the region now known as the Himalayas was under water. When the Indian subcontinent collided with Asia, the Himalayas were formed at this juncture, and the clams taken on a 5 mile high ride through the eons. To say a world wide flood reached 6 miles above the current sea level is delusional.

So was there really a world wide flood? The evidence says yes.

With all due respect Mr. Hovind, your "evidence" and reasoning are fallaciously wrong.

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And to Matthewj1985, I hope I cleared this one up for you. The bible is not a valid foundation of earth's natural history. Don't assume this to mean the bible is invalid as a scripture. But rational people should understand when the bible is literal and when it is allegorical/mystical in nature. An absolute literal interpretation of the bible is misguided and only leads to a fundamentalist ideologue who becomes the laughing stock of non-believers.
 
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matthew sez...On Mount Everest, they even find clams. Now when a clam dies, it relaxes and opens up. These are found in the closed position, 450 miles from the beach, and 5 1/2 miles above sea level.QUOTE///////////


Hespera sez...Actually it is better not to just speak out of ignorance of the subject, taking info from a site without understanding it at all. Personal credibility and that of your cause will suffer from it!

i have gone out and dug clams, and its veyr common to dig up dead ones. shells closed; after all, they dont crawl up to the surface to die!

And if you dumped out some clams on a mountaintop they really are not going to be there when you come back 30 or 5000 yers later, let alone deeply embedded in solid rock.

Fossil clams are abundant in all sorts of areas, including kansas. nothing about their existence can be correlated with a great flood. Which btw, our most prolific poster here agrees there is no physical evidence of a flood. he says its coz god cleaned up the evidence.

i dont agree with that, but honestly, talking about flood signs is a waste of time. nobody anywhere ever has found any.
 
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Amoeba sez..........
hespera, why dont you just quote people instead of "so-in-so sez"...QVOTE///////



h sez...
1. i dont 'always'. usually i dont. depends on which comp i use.

2. this comp does not show any of the icons that are needed in order to use the quote function.

3. sorry for the inconvenience
 
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The idea of a global flood is ludicrous on the most basic level.



The United Nations Environment Programme estimates there are 1.4 billion cubic kilometres (330 million mi3) of water available on Earth. Including underground sources.

The highest point on the surface of the Earth is Mount Everest in Nepal. 8,848 meters tall (29,028 feet)

The mean radius of the Earth (Core to sea level) is 6,372,797 meters. With Everest added to that, it comes out to 6,381,645 meters.

The total mass of the hydrosphere of the oceans is about 1.4 × 1021 kilograms, which is about 0.023% of the Earth's total mass.

The volume of the earth in-between the highest and lowest points on earth assuming that the ENTIRE surface is flooded WITH landmasses accounted for is 5x105

Avalible- 1.4 billion cubic kilometers
Needed (To cover the ENTIRE surface)- 5 quadrillion cubic kilometers
Missing- 4.9999986 quadrillion cubic kilometers.

We would need probably nine or ten orders of magnitude more water than we actually have avalible. Even if there were a couple billion cubic kilometers hiding under the surface of the Earth, we would even BEGIN to have enough.

To have that much water on Earth would disrupt the gravity of the Earth and SERIOUSLY mess with the tripple point of water which would result in the death of all life as we know it.

As you see, it it mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for the ENTIRE surface of the Earth to be covered with water.

My wonderful fiancee helped with the math part :) If you doubt the math, PM Dysnomia, she'll lay it out.
 
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The idea of a global flood is ludicrous on the most basic level.



The United Nations Environment Programme estimates there are 1.4 billion cubic kilometres (330 million mi3) of water available on Earth. Including underground sources.

The highest point on the surface of the Earth is Mount Everest in Nepal. 8,848 meters tall (29,028 feet)

The mean radius of the Earth (Core to sea level) is 6,372,797 meters. With Everest added to that, it comes out to 6,381,645 meters.

The total mass of the hydrosphere of the oceans is about 1.4 × 1021 kilograms, which is about 0.023% of the Earth's total mass.

The volume of the earth in-between the highest and lowest points on earth assuming that the ENTIRE surface is flooded WITH landmasses accounted for is 5x105

Avalible- 1.4 billion cubic kilometers
Needed (To cover the ENTIRE surface)- 5 quadrillion cubic kilometers
Missing- 4.9999986 quadrillion cubic kilometers.

We would need probably nine or ten orders of magnitude more water than we actually have avalible. Even if there were a couple billion cubic kilometers hiding under the surface of the Earth, we would even BEGIN to have enough.

To have that much water on Earth would disrupt the gravity of the Earth and SERIOUSLY mess with the tripple point of water which would result in the death of all life as we know it.

As you see, it it mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for the ENTIRE surface of the Earth to be covered with water.

My wonderful fiancee helped with the math part :) If you doubt the math, PM Dysnomia, she'll lay it out.


I couldda saved you the trouble of posting that...and if you wanna know where the water went, it went to neptune, to make a warning beacon for rouge angels.

YouTube - Hydroplate Theory by Walt Brown
 
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