From Noah to this without evolution?

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Noah's ark. 8 people go on to create all of mankind. All of mankind. From Noah and his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. These 8 people go on to become Chinese, Black, Indian, Eskimo, Japanese, Polynesian, Arab, Caucasian, et al.

Do explain.:yum:

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Noah's ark. 8 people go on to create all of mankind. All of mankind. From Noah and his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. These 8 people go on to become Chinese, Black, Indian, Eskimo, Japanese, Polynesian, Arab, Caucasian, et al.

Do explain.:yum:

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Noah's ark. 8 people go on to create all of mankind. All of mankind. From Noah and his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. These 8 people go on to become Chinese, Black, Indian, Eskimo, Japanese, Polynesian, Arab, Caucasian, et al.

Do explain.:yum:

lol...variation within "types"...lol...
 
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It's impossible. Even if everyone in the world was the same race, there's not enough genetic diversity to keep mankind living for as long as it has now, with just 8 people, 5 of which are related. With that much inbreeding, I'd be surprised if we'd've lasted more than 5 generations before all of mankind was infertile.

That goes for all of the animals, too. With just two of each, there's no way it'd be possible for any species to survive. They'd be lucky to make it past 3 generations.
 
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to add insult to injury, scientists know what creatures dna looks like when it nearly dies off and then repopulates. they have examples of the cheetah which had a dna bottle neck around the ice age (approximately 7 cheetahs were left alive to reproduce) and creatures like the California Condor which were nearly wiped out recently.

humans and many other animals to not display such traits.

*edited statement to be more accurate*
 
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Noah's ark. 8 people go on to create all of mankind. All of mankind. From Noah and his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. These 8 people go on to become Chinese, Black, Indian, Eskimo, Japanese, Polynesian, Arab, Caucasian, et al.

Do explain.
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I like the part where god does causal events without space or time. wait what?

I also like the part where he is outside of space time and still doing all this causal things but he is outside of criticism or investigation because he is outside of space time... wait what?
 
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Noah's ark. 8 people go on to create all of mankind. All of mankind. From Noah and his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. These 8 people go on to become Chinese, Black, Indian, Eskimo, Japanese, Polynesian, Arab, Caucasian, et al.

Do explain.:yum:
Don't Creationists fall back on some hyper-evolution claim?
 
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I like the part where god does causal events without space or time. wait what?

I also like the part where he is outside of space time and still doing all this causal things but he is outside of criticism or investigation because he is outside of space time... wait what?


I've heard them say "But God is outside of reality.", before.

That made me laugh.

Things that are outside of reality, as a general rule, aren't real.
 
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It's impossible. Even if everyone in the world was the same race, there's not enough genetic diversity to keep mankind living for as long as it has now, with just 8 people, 5 of which are related. With that much inbreeding, I'd be surprised if we'd've lasted more than 5 generations before all of mankind was infertile.

That goes for all of the animals, too. With just two of each, there's no way it'd be possible for any species to survive. They'd be lucky to make it past 3 generations.

I agree that the diversity of life we now see started from the kinds on the arc. Present evolving processes and rates could not have been in place. This was one bit of evidence that clued me in.
 
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I agree that the diversity of life we now see started from the kinds on the arc. Present evolving processes and rates could not have been in place. This was one bit of evidence that clued me in.

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Firstly, I was saying that there wasn't enough genetic diversity ON the ark for life to survive. Virtually all life would've been unable to reproduce after several generations due to inbreeding. We know that inbreeding causes infertility, it's an indisputable fact, we've seen it happen so often.

And then you're still wrong. Even if the story of the Ark was true, evolution would have to work in overdrive (providing any species survived having an empty gene pool.) in order for all of the diverse species that are alive today to emerge.

You're literally talking gibberish.
 
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Firstly, I was saying that there wasn't enough genetic diversity ON the ark for life to survive. Virtually all life would've been unable to reproduce after several generations due to inbreeding. We know that inbreeding causes infertility, it's an indisputable fact, we've seen it happen so often.

My point, as well. You imagine that the ark was in this modern set of rules, and laws, and life processes. No. Even Noah lived many many centuries. That should clue us in something was different then.

And then you're still wrong. Even if the story of the Ark was true, evolution would have to work in overdrive (providing any species survived having an empty gene pool.) in order for all of the diverse species that are alive today to emerge.

Not at all. Present evolution would not be in effect. It would be the hyper evolution of the different state past, where we lived a long time, trees could grow in weeks, and etc. The evidence mounts that it had to be different.
 
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My point, as well. You imagine that the ark was in this modern set of rules, and laws, and life processes. No. Even Noah lived many many centuries. That should clue us in something was different then.



Not at all. Present evolution would not be in effect. It would be the hyper evolution of the different state past, where we lived a long time, trees could grow in weeks, and etc. The evidence mounts that it had to be different.

No.

"The evidence mounts that it" never actually happened.

Trees growing in weeks?
Noah living for "many centuries"?

Yeah, because that makes more sense than evolution. :doh:

You're literally talking nonsense. Why should the laws of nature bend to fit what you want to believe happened? Can you provide any evidence that the laws of nature became so distorted just for the sake of it?

You're acting as if the flood is a fact, saying that it has to indicate certain things were different, yet there's absolutely no evidence that there was a flood and absolutely no evidence that anything was different.

IF the flood happened, then certain things would have to be different, yes, but there's absolutely no evidence of either a flood or nature going topsy turvey.
 
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Firstly, I was saying that there wasn't enough genetic diversity ON the ark for life to survive. Virtually all life would've been unable to reproduce after several generations due to inbreeding. We know that inbreeding causes infertility, it's an indisputable fact, we've seen it happen so often.
Re: inbreeding and infertility, two words: Chillingham cattle. One of the most genetically uniform populations known, and IIRC no signs of inbreeding depression.

Now, granted, inbreeding depression does exist, and inbreeding does bring out all sorts of mutations that had been hiding before, but it doesn't necessarily "cause" infertility.

That said, I too find it hard to imagine that a single pair of each species was enough to repopulate the earth with all of them. Especially in light of the existence of, well... predators :scratch:

You're literally talking gibberish.
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My point, as well. You imagine that the ark was in this modern set of rules, and laws, and life processes. No. Even Noah lived many many centuries. That should clue us in something was different then.

What errant nonsense!

You use one section of a fantasy story as 'evidence' for another section of the same story....what a joke!

There is no more evidence that humans lived for centuries than there is for a global flood.

Time to move into the modern era.....
 
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