Tithing: Give whatever you can?

Do you all not realize that we have to obey the full Bible...God gave us the full Bible, not just the NT. He didn't say ok Jesus died for you now you are free of the law completely...Sorry that might be what you want to accept, but read my friends and you will see that the only part of the law that was wiped was the way to God...by offering sacrifices to the Lord to be saved, and going to the High Priest for everything...

We should still give a tithe...which is 10 percent, that is literally what tithe means. And why on earth can you not see that God will provide. The reason you all try to justify just giving "what you are happy with," or "whatever you can afford" is because you don't have true faith in the Living God. If you truly trusted Him you would immediately give the 1st 10 percent to Him for His purposes. Why? Because He WILL PROVIDE!!!

We can not justify our sins or our own beliefs vs God's beliefs and His holy Word. Either you believe the entire Bible, or you don't believe any of it...remember 2 Timothy 3:16?


All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

Does it say some scripture? No! ALL Scripture is God-breathed...therefore we should listen and obey all of it, not just what we feel like obeying!

I totally agree with you MetalChef87 100%!!!

That makes sense, if the Old Testament didn't matter, then I believe the "old laws" would have been omitted from the bible period.

Sure a lot of things that we have to do as Christians can be down-right uncomfortable or even scary, but nevertheless, we have to believe that God is faithful enough to provide us with what we need, when we are obedient.

SportsJunkie25 said:

What about this?

Numbers 18:26 (NIV)
26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

1 Corinthians 16:2 (NIV)
2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

When you combine those two, doesn't that mean give 10%? Correct me if I'm wrong...

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You can't abide by the OLD TESTIMENT and the NEW TESTIMENT in the case of tithe's. Because they conflict with each other. GOD doesn't make mistakes. Others without their faith in the NEW TESTIMENT will follow the law because again you can't be of the JEWISH FAITH and the CHRISTIAN FAITH because of the conflict. So if you omit the NEW TESTIMENT you omit your belief in JESUS. For even satan believes in JESUS BUT he doesn't abide by HIS WORD.


Some folks try to use their UNDERSTANDING. Yet GOD'S WORD says:


Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding




Here again we see the ten per-centers denying the WORD of GOD by going by what they think.


GOD has a WARNING for them:




12 Take care, brothers, that none of you may have an evil and unfaithful heart, so as to forsake the living God.



13 Encourage yourselves daily while it is still "today," so that none of you may grow hardened by the deceit of sin.

14 We have become partners of Christ if only we hold the beginning of the reality firm until the end,


15 for it is said: "Oh, that today you would hear his voice: 'Harden not your hearts as at the rebellion.'"


When GOD ANOINTED me with HIS HOLY SPIRIT HE gave me the MISSION of writing to help the poor.



With this ANOINTING it made me free from human teaching:



1 JohnChapter 2




20 But you have the anointing that comes from the holy one, and you all have knowledge.


21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth.


26 I write you these things about those who would deceive you.




27 As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.





So when you see advice given to you that does not comply with GOD'S WORD and my writing you need to understand where their writing comes from. If someone were to tell you they are ANOINTED by GOD and they are not, then they have blasphemed the HOLY SPIRIT.


Believe me you will know when GOD ANOINTES you.




LOVE


steven

You can't abide by the OLD TESTIMENT and the NEW TESTIMENT in the case of tithe's. Because they conflict with each other. GOD doesn't make mistakes.

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Since God Dosen't make mistakes, (which I believe he dosen't) How then can the case on tithes conflict? I believe the Bible is harmonized in such a way, it can't be contridictory.

Also God is a God that does not change in his commands, commitments and purpose.


I know that many will have an excuses to use it as a rebuttle, but as I've said GOD IS THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE....

favoredbyGod said:

Also God is a God that does not change in his commands, commitments and purpose.

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Eh? We still must offer sacrifices, women must be ceremonially clean before they go to church, we should pilgrim to Jerusalem each year?

John
NZ

Romans 2:14 (Amplified Bible)

14)When Gentiles who have not the [divine] Law do instinctively what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, since they do not have the Law.


Ephesians 2:11-12 (Amplified Bible)

11)Therefore, remember that at one time you were Gentiles (heathens) in the flesh, called Uncircumcision by those who called themselves Circumcision, [itself a mere mark] in the flesh made by human hands.

12[Remember] that you were at that time separated (living apart) from Christ [excluded from all part in Him], utterly estranged and outlawed from the rights of Israel as a nation, and strangers with no share in the sacred compacts of the [Messianic] promise [with no knowledge of or right in God's agreements, His covenants]. And you had no hope (no promise); you were in the world without God,

The Bible says that the gentiles never had any part in God's Laws (covenants). That means that God never told the gentiles to tithe. His covenant was between Him and Isreal only.


Romans 10:4 (Amplified Bible)

4)For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.

We don't have to keep any part of the Law (not even tithing) to be righteous before God. We are now righteous before God through our union with Jesus and the law can't change it.

Blessings,
Alan

Mobiosity said:

Tithing is something we should do. After 50 years, I've just started no shortage for any of my bills, and I'm wondering why I waited so long. I have a feeling I know; I'm selfish and greedy. God's been very good to me in spite of myself and I'm trying to show in some small part how grateful I am for all of it.

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Mate, we should never say something with a "should do".

Tithing was the welfare system for those in need. The storehouse was the place of supplying the needs. Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the workers in the field who were being paid wages, had to tithe.

The tithing system that was used for the Levites and the Priests.

Our Lord Jesus Christ always cared for the needy.

Today, we pay taxes, which is the same welfare system of old and the storehouse of old that looks after the needy.

We give with a grateful heart, and if I give with a grateful heart, it could be 5% or 20%, and does all the other love offerings that you give out and caring for another child in another country counts as well.

Mate, if you were living the way that many who are need, who cannot put food on their table, after they pay taxes out of the wages, would you say to them that they "should do".

Lets stop brow-beating and badgering HIS Servants with false teaching.

What you do is your business, but don't say that HIS Servants "should do", when it's NOT WRITTEN!

We all decide what we will do, and when we face our Lord Jesus Christ at the Judgement Seat, then HE will decide.

Blessings.

SportsJunkie25 said:

What about this?

Numbers 18:26 (NIV)
26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

1 Corinthians 16:2 (NIV)
2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

When you combine those two, doesn't that mean give 10%? Correct me if I'm wrong...

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I don't have to correct you, because Numbers is the LAW!

Tithing Discrepancies

“Thus you shall also offer a heave offering to the Lord from all your tithes which you receive from the children of Israel, and you shall give the Lord’s heave offering from it to Aaron the priest.” (Num. 18:28)

The central fact of tithing is that only the members of the “Tribe of Levi” were at first ordained in the Bible to receive the tithe (the tenth). The Levites in turn were to give one tenth of that tithe to the Priests (See Numbers 18:25–28) who did not tithe at all.

In the 21st Century and the New Testament church, there are no Levites and Priests, there they are disqualified from receiving any biblical tithe because there is no official body of men functioning as Levites in a New Testament church.

There were basically only two types of income that were tithable:

The first one was from agricultural production: “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the LORD” (Lev. 27:30). Therefore, all agricultural produce of the land of Israel, whether fruits or vegetables were required to be tithed!

The second one was from the increase of animals: “And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the LORD” (Lev. 27:32).

Only these two specific income producers were subject to the tithe.

There was one exception in regards to these rules: “If a man wants at all to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add one-fifth to it” (Lev. 27:31). Therefore, if a man for any reason didn’t wish to pay his tithe in seed or fruit, and he wished to give money as a substitute, then he was penalised a fifth part. By this law it was obviously not intended to encourage payment of the tithe in money. The monetary redemption, on the other hand, was not allowed for the tithe of animals either, as Moses declared: “He shall not inquire whether it is good or bad, nor shall he exchange it; and if he exchanges it at all, then both it and the one exchanged for it shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.” (Lev. 27:33).

Therefore, the tithing law of the Bible prohibited cattle producers from paying money at all. They were required to give the tenth animal no matter if they wanted to keep it for some reason to themselves.

Since farmers and producers were responsible for paying the tithe, then who weren’t required to tithe? Now from this question we find that a large segment of Israelites DID NOT TITHE!

The owner of a farm had to tithe, but his hired hands were exempt. Was a hired hand required to tithe on his salary? NO, not at all! There was no law that required a tenth of one’s salary to be tithed, which was earned for their employment. Only the crops and animals of those who owned by farmers and producers were subject to the tithe. After all, the crops and the animals did not belong to the hired hand and only the increase from one’s land or animals was subject to the tithe.

So what about the “fishing industry”, the “mining industry”, the “lumber industry”, and the “construction industry” (see Leviticus 11:9–12; Deuteronomy 8:9; 1 Kings 5:7–12; & 5:13–18), did they pay tithes? Did the workers in these industries pay tithes?

So what about all the other industries not mentioned, who were involved in weaving, handicrafts, or from any form of manufacturing or merchandising. They were also exempted from tithing, including the military, government workers, and postmen. Now all the tithes that are used by church leaders to badger or berate believers of the New Testament are the tithes received by the Levites from the farmers and producers, which was given to the Priests, and the Priests themselves were totally exempt from paying any tithe.

So, why all the false teaching that are thrown at workers, and unemployed when the welfare system on the modern world tax system covers the basic needs that are similar to tithing.

As per HIS WORD we give with a grateful heart.