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I am currently not sure which religion is the true religion. I used to believe in Jesus. I used to believe in Satan, and in a way, still believes in him. But now, instead of seeing him(Satan) as God that I should worship, I see him more as a friend to help me in time of uncertainty.

I see many miracles in many religions. I think all religions are valid. I am moving towards not relying on any god, not Yahweh the christian god, not satan. I think I am my own god. That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.

During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.
 

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:) Hi Sgal...good to see you again.

I must say.....this can be a dangerous road to be on.


I encourage you to look at everyone who thought they were their own gods throughout history and see what ended up happening to them. :( Not pretty. Satan's help may look appealing now but it will quickly turn in the right moment. And I pray for your well-being when that moment comes!


If you'd like to know more of Christianity then you are welcome to ask away here...
 
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Christianity says that God is love. If you believe in love then there is really only one choice.

Christianity is the only one that says there is no good in me. Pretty much all the other major religions talk about the goodness of man in some form or fashion. Christianity does just the opposite.

If you think you are a good person then Christianity is not for you.
 
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I know what your signature says but from our talks together, do you still believe that Jesus and His Father is bad/evil and satan good?

I am curious if you have had a change of heart.

Christianity while in parts have turned into a religion for man, for alot of us is not a religion but a close, deep, intimate relationship.

Personally I believe the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Him.

Blessings!
 
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I am currently not sure which religion is the true religion. I used to believe in Jesus. I used to believe in Satan, and in a way, still believes in him. But now, instead of seeing him(Satan) as God that I should worship, I see him more as a friend to help me in time of uncertainty.

I see many miracles in many religions. I think all religions are valid. I am moving towards not relying on any god, not Yahweh the christian god, not satan. I think I am my own god. That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.

During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.

Satan is a liar and the father of lies. Its not in his nature to do or speak good. Recall the trouble he started with Adam and Eve in the garden and what happened to them afterwards. Eve listened to that serpent and thought that everything he said sounded really good and valid. So what did Eve do? She took that serpent's advice and ate the fruit when God distinctly told her not to. And then Adam followed suit. Afterwards, they both suffered the consequences of those dire choices they made. They wanted to be like God.

See, what I learned from all that is this: satan is crafty, subtle, and he hates everyone. He's out to steal, kill, and destroy us. The mind is definately the battlefield and if he can get you to doubt the truth (and SEES that you doubt), he'll do it. And he'll always try to put God in a bad light like He doesn't want the best for you, but rather wants to keep you down. And that God really isn't a big deal and that you really don't need him. That is a lie. Jeremiah 29:11 and John 3:16 proves it and God has proven time and time again that He does good to people, even while we don't deserve it.

There is way that seems right to man, but the end is death (Proverbs 14:12).


The good works that christians do is because we love the Lord, not because we feel like we have to appease Him like he's some kind of pagan god who vows to take vengance if we don't. :doh:

I implore you to choose the One who actually loves and cares about. He died for you. For me. For all. All you have to do is believe and trust Him to do the good work IN you, S.gal. God did not call anyone to be religious. He called us to bear fruit (John 15:1-8).
 
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During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.

Hi. :)

You must be searching very hard for something to be willing to work at it like that. Would you be able to explain to us what it is that you're hoping to discover?
 
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I am currently not sure which religion is the true religion. I used to believe in Jesus. I used to believe in Satan, and in a way, still believes in him. But now, instead of seeing him(Satan) as God that I should worship, I see him more as a friend to help me in time of uncertainty.

I see many miracles in many religions. I think all religions are valid. I am moving towards not relying on any god, not Yahweh the christian god, not satan. I think I am my own god. That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.

During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.

My dear sister,

I am currently not sure which religion is the true religion.
There is no true religion, because all religions are “man made”.

Religions have idols, non-organic and organic.

I used to believe in Jesus.
Well I use to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, or that is, I believed that I believed, until I found HIM, which then shown me that the times before I just believed in a man made god.

I used to believe in Satan, and in a way, still believes in him.
Yes, I believed in him as well, until I found the truth, and until I saw the lies that he fed people, and when he was finished with them, he then tried to kill them, through people who believed and followed him.

Satan is the “father of lies”!

But now, instead of seeing him(Satan) as God that I should worship, I see him more as a friend to help me in time of uncertainty.
Yes, he will seem to be a friend, and all his followers will gather around you to make sure that you won’t leave him. Have you been involved in any of the rituals?


I see many miracles in many religions.

What you call miracles are in fact signs and wonders.

I think all religions are valid.
The only validity of other religions is that they all follow “anti-Christ”.

I am moving towards not relying on any god, not Yahweh the christian god, not satan. I think I am my own god.
When we get to that stage, then you are in for a great fall.

Hitler and Napoleon saw themselves as a god, and so did all pharaohs of Egypt.

That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.
Well, I guess you have forgotten that at creation man was made in HIS Image, and those who do good deeds, and works are in HIS image, and to fulfil HIS WILL we follow HIM, our Almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ. We don’t follow a religion of a man leader.


During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.

That is your will, and HE won’t interfere with your will. So, all the best in your endeavour to fill that large whole in your heart and soul, because you won’t find that plug from reading other religions, but will get confused and frustrated because all those books are full of the doctrine of demons and the philosophy of the world written by traditions of men.

All the best and blessings in Jesus’ Name.
 
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I know what your signature says but from our talks together, do you still believe that Jesus and His Father is bad/evil and satan good?

I am curious if you have had a change of heart.

Christianity while in parts have turned into a religion for man, for alot of us is not a religion but a close, deep, intimate relationship.

Personally I believe the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Him.

Blessings!

As of now, I still believes that God, the christian God is bad. As of now, I have mixed belief about Satan. I am not sure whether he is good or bad. I like how he gives knowledge to Adam and Eve, but I do not like how he questions Job's integrity towards God. I still pray to him, but it is less than before.

Needless to say, my opinions of God, the christian God, is worst than my opinions of Satan.
1) Ordering the killing of non-jews, including women and children, in the Old Testament.
2) Sending anyone who does not believe in him, including even good people, to hell.
3) Allowing Satan to afflict Job, who is so loyal to him, just to test Job's loyalty towards him.
4) Wanting people to worship him.
5) Allows suffering, poverty and evil to exist in this world.
6) Practises pre-destination. (Predestines the majority of the world's population to hell.)

As of now, I think more on how good and bad is defined by man, rather than by god. I am very inspired by a real life good friend of mine. She believes that the abilities of goodness is in everyone in this world, even evil people. She thinks that by being good, we are gods and goddesses. Her philosophy is to make this world a happier place now that she is born than a sadder place.

Her beliefs are very similar to mine. Except that I don't call myself a goddess like the way she calls herself. I see myself more as an angel of good deeds.

I don't think God is drawing me near to him, as I do not feel any nearer to God. The only time I talk, (ever since I no longer become a christian), to God is to ask him to change the system of sin and hell altogether. I ask him, in time when I do talk to God, to judge people on the merits of what they do, and to allow good people who don't believe in him to have a good afterlife. I feel a lot for good people like Buddha, and some other good people who becomes religion founders. I think they deserve a reward for their efforts to make the world a better place. I don't think it is fair of God to send such good people to hell.

I also tell him, I am not afraid of hell. If I do good deeds and he still sends me to hell, then he can't be really just. I am not going to bow down to him and worship him just because he says in the bible he is good. He had to prove to me by his deeds, and not words alone, that he is good. And my defination of goodness is, he will put an end to suffering, immediately.

I admire Satan for daring to rebel against God. I respect him for challenging Adam and Eve to take the fruit of knowledge for themselves. I question him for how he questions God about Job. To me, I think Job is a fool to believe in God, even after bad things happen to him. But at least he is a sincere fool. I don't like God, and I don't like Satan for what they do to him.

I pray to Satan only for times when I really need some divine power outside of human abilities... like getting a job etc. When I find my own divine power one day, I may stop worshipping both God and Satan.
 
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Satan is a liar and the father of lies. Its not in his nature to do or speak good. Recall the trouble he started with Adam and Eve in the garden and what happened to them afterwards. Eve listened to that serpent and thought that everything he said sounded really good and valid. So what did Eve do? She took that serpent's advice and ate the fruit when God distinctly told her not to. And then Adam followed suit. Afterwards, they both suffered the consequences of those dire choices they made. They wanted to be like God.

See, what I learned from all that is this: satan is crafty, subtle, and he hates everyone. He's out to steal, kill, and destroy us. The mind is definately the battlefield and if he can get you to doubt the truth (and SEES that you doubt), he'll do it. And he'll always try to put God in a bad light like He doesn't want the best for you, but rather wants to keep you down. And that God really isn't a big deal and that you really don't need him. That is a lie. Jeremiah 29:11 and John 3:16 proves it and God has proven time and time again that He does good to people, even while we don't deserve it.

There is way that seems right to man, but the end is death (Proverbs 14:12).


The good works that christians do is because we love the Lord, not because we feel like we have to appease Him like he's some kind of pagan god who vows to take vengance if we don't. :doh:

I implore you to choose the One who actually loves and cares about. He died for you. For me. For all. All you have to do is believe and trust Him to do the good work IN you, S.gal. God did not call anyone to be religious. He called us to bear fruit (John 15:1-8).

I will not call a God who sends people to hell for not believining in him good. A good God will not send anyone to hell.

If I were God, I simply put people who do evil deeds into a kind of prison so that they do not continue to harm others. I will let people who do not worship me into heaven based on their good deeds.

I will not give up EVER on those people who do evil even in my prison. I will try to reform them, hoping they will come to their senses. A good God eventually is able to convince everyone to stop being evil and follows the path of goodness.

I do not think Satan is evil, like the way bible says he is. I think he is simply imperfect. His questioning of Job and affliction of Job is of questionable conduct to me. However, his asking Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge is not altogether bad to me. What is so bad about knowledge? In the end, I think Satan is proably a confused being himself. He does seem to hate those who blindly follows after God, people like Job. And he does seem to hate God. For that, I am limiting my contact with him. However, I do not think his rebellion against God, in general, is evil. Satan is simply doing what he deems is best for himself.
 
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Hi. :)

You must be searching very hard for something to be willing to work at it like that. Would you be able to explain to us what it is that you're hoping to discover?

An abstact notion of what perfect goodness is. I seek to be perfect, as in, to be perfectly moral. I am searching for how I can be a perfectly good person.

Forgives my enemies. Do good deeds to others in the world. And many more.
 
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My dear sister,

I am currently not sure which religion is the true religion.
There is no true religion, because all religions are “man made”.

Religions have idols, non-organic and organic.

I used to believe in Jesus.
Well I use to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, or that is, I believed that I believed, until I found HIM, which then shown me that the times before I just believed in a man made god.

I used to believe in Satan, and in a way, still believes in him.
Yes, I believed in him as well, until I found the truth, and until I saw the lies that he fed people, and when he was finished with them, he then tried to kill them, through people who believed and followed him.

Satan is the “father of lies”!

But now, instead of seeing him(Satan) as God that I should worship, I see him more as a friend to help me in time of uncertainty.
Yes, he will seem to be a friend, and all his followers will gather around you to make sure that you won’t leave him. Have you been involved in any of the rituals?


I see many miracles in many religions.
What you call miracles are in fact signs and wonders.

I think all religions are valid.
The only validity of other religions is that they all follow “anti-Christ”.

I am moving towards not relying on any god, not Yahweh the christian god, not satan. I think I am my own god.
When we get to that stage, then you are in for a great fall.

Hitler and Napoleon saw themselves as a god, and so did all pharaohs of Egypt.

That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.
Well, I guess you have forgotten that at creation man was made in HIS Image, and those who do good deeds, and works are in HIS image, and to fulfil HIS WILL we follow HIM, our Almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ. We don’t follow a religion of a man leader.


During my free time, I am reading up on religions. Any and every religion.
That is your will, and HE won’t interfere with your will. So, all the best in your endeavour to fill that large whole in your heart and soul, because you won’t find that plug from reading other religions, but will get confused and frustrated because all those books are full of the doctrine of demons and the philosophy of the world written by traditions of men.

All the best and blessings in Jesus’ Name.

Those other people who see themselves as gods don't make the world a better place. So I don't consider them gods. I consider gods people like Buddha and some kind-hearted persons who make the world a better place. Like-wise, I consider myself an angel when I help people. The title of 'god', I will reserve, for the time when I finally am able to be reaching the state of total selflessness, being able to sacrifice myself for the good of others.
 
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From reading your responses here it looks very much to me that you are setting yourself as a god of your own life and everyone elses, and in fact even as judge of God Himself! You say you do not call yourself a god or goddess, but your attitude is that you have the right to be supreme judge of all.

You believe that you decide what is good or bad, you decide who is good or bad, it's all your call and God must fit in with your ways.

I don't think you want to know God and have made a case against Him to justify your stance.
He does promise to meet those who earnestly seek him, but that isn't what you're doing is it?
 
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Those other people who see themselves as gods don't make the world a better place. So I don't consider them gods. I consider gods people like Buddha and some kind-hearted persons who make the world a better place. Like-wise, I consider myself an angel when I help people. The title of 'god', I will reserve, for the time when I finally am able to be reaching the state of total selflessness, being able to sacrifice myself for the good of others.

My dear sister, our Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed HIMSELF on the Cross for the good of others. So please be very careful that you don't place yourself as equal to HIM, because if you do, then as much as you are seeking and consider that you are a good person, you will suffer the same consequences of your actions as an unbeliever when that time comes. Consider your actions wisely.

Blessings.
 
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My dear sister, our Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed HIMSELF on the Cross for the good of others. So please be very careful that you don't place yourself as equal to HIM, because if you do, then as much as you are seeking and consider that you are a good person, you will suffer the same consequences of your actions as an unbeliever when that time comes. Consider your actions wisely.

Blessings.

That is the reason why I cannot believe in God. He tortures good people in hell. (By good, I mean imperfect people who want to make the world a better place.) I do not think that a being who is capable of torturing anyone is good.
 
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From reading your responses here it looks very much to me that you are setting yourself as a god of your own life and everyone elses, and in fact even as judge of God Himself! You say you do not call yourself a god or goddess, but your attitude is that you have the right to be supreme judge of all.

You believe that you decide what is good or bad, you decide who is good or bad, it's all your call and God must fit in with your ways.

I don't think you want to know God and have made a case against Him to justify your stance.
He does promise to meet those who earnestly seek him, but that isn't what you're doing is it?

I judge God using the same criteria I judge everyone else, including myself.

Same Criteria for Judgment
1) Does God reach out to help those in need?
Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn't.
(Therefore, his morality is neutral. He answers some prayers and doesn't answer others.)
Do I reach out to help those in need?
(I try to do so many times, but there are times when I am in a bad mood when I fall short. I consider my morality to be slightly above average.)
Does Satan reach out to help those in need?
According to Satanists. Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn't. I consider his morality to be neutral.
Does (Some Good-hearted person) reaches out to help those in need?
They do so all the time. They are my role models in life. Their morality is near perfect.

My aim in life is to be near perfect in morality.

2) Does God tortures people?
Well, he burns those who don't believe in him for eternity.
(His moral for this is very low.)
Does Satan tortures people?
Well, he does get God to allow him to affict Job.
(His moral for this is very low.)
Do I torture people?
(No, I don't. My morality is above Satan and above God.)
Does (Some good-hearted person) tortures people?
No, they don't. Their morality is good.

See?

I apply the same set of judgments to everyone. I am not being very hard on God. I am basing his morality, in comparison to eveyone in a fair manner. This is not like you, who will forgive God for every wrong thing he does and still says he is holy just because he is, well, the creator.

About seeking God: No, I am not seeking him. At least not the christian version of him. I am seeking a God who will judge himself in the same way he judges others. If it is wrong to murder for us, then murder is wrong for him as well.

If I ever find up that God is perfectly moral, then I will respect him. I will make him my aim in life. I will base my life on his morality. He will be my role model and superstar.

If God, on the other hand, is not perfectly moral. Then I will thank him for only one thing: Giving me life. But that is all I will thank him for. If I go to hell for my rejection of an immoral God who is more powerful than me, so be it.

I will just consider myself like one of those heros who dare to stand up to a tyrant and suffer the consequences for being more moral than God.

In conclusion, I am reading up on all religions to see if I can find a perfectly moral god to follow as a role model in my life. (I had not found that God in Christianity. I am starting to think Satan is also not that kind of God. I am currently more interested in Buddhism.) In the event that I cannot find a perfectly moral God, then I will just focus on being like that non-existing ideal 'God' I have in mind.

Perfect forgiveness. Perfect love. Perfect mercy. Perfect morality.
 
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That is the reason why I cannot believe in God. He tortures good people in hell. (By good, I mean imperfect people who want to make the world a better place.) I do not think that a being who is capable of torturing anyone is good.

:wave: I'm trying to understand your view as opposed to my view. Would you please give me the scripture that says God tortures people in hell? It's my opinion hell is greatly misunderstood. If this verse exists I'd like to add it to my compilation. Thank you. :)
 
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That is the reason why I cannot believe in God. He tortures good people in hell. (By good, I mean imperfect people who want to make the world a better place.) I do not think that a being who is capable of torturing anyone is good.

Sorry but there are no good people. every single person has fallen short, of the glory of God (romans 3:23) your definition of good is not the same as His.

People do not burn in hell for being imperfect, because God took care of that by sending His Son, people get seperated for eternity from God because of their wickedness and failure to accept Jesus as their Savior.

You have this whole " He sends people to hell because they refuse to worship Him" but that is satans lie, I really want you to try to understand this, we WANT to worship Him. :)

Thats right, the Lord is just so good to us that we would worship Him even if He didnt want us to. We worship Him out of love. And He is more than willing to be there for you :) in fact He has been more there for you than you imagine :hug:

First thing we have to understand is that God is not just love, He actually is Love but He is also Holy,Righteous and Just (and thats not all) alot of people neglect that :)

If you were to partake in some sort of crime, if you broke the Law, and you were brought to a court, and you stand before the judge and he has this list of offenses against you, you can say "judge, I am sorry for what I have done, I wont do it again, please forgive me"

The truth is he is NOT going to let you go, why?? Because he cannot be a corrupt judge (actually there are corrupt judges..) He has to give you what you deserve for the crimes you have commited. Well God is the same way..

But this time God can NOT be a corrupt judge, He just can't. It would go against His very nature.

But God loved us so much, He didnt want us to perish, so He set out a propitation for us. His Son. So that if we would just have simple childlike faith in Him, we would be the righteousness of His Son. :cheer:

But you see.. People reject that. And they turn around and put the blame on God. It is what we humans like to do.

God isnt going to force us to have life, God wants us to CHOOSE life. but it is our choice. I hope one day you choose life too :hug:

You, have been filled and decieved with lies from satan.:( alot of us have, you are not the only one.




I judge God using the same criteria I judge everyone else, including myself.

You know whats funny about judging another person? is that 95% of the time they are wrong. Its true.

Not to sound rude but you judge out of ignorance. :hug:

Another thing I find is that people try to judge within their own understanding what they can see and understand.:doh:

We do NOT see the whole picture, for example how satan just wants to destroy you.

You do not see that, do you? And it is really sad.:(


Same Criteria for Judgment
1) Does God reach out to help those in need?
Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn't.




(Therefore, his morality is neutral. He answers some prayers and doesn't answer others.)
Do I reach out to help those in need?
(I try to do so many times, but there are times when I am in a bad mood when I fall short. I consider my morality to be slightly above average.)
Does Satan reach out to help those in need?
According to Satanists. Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn't. I consider his morality to be neutral.
Does (Some Good-hearted person) reaches out to help those in need?
They do so all the time. They are my role models in life. Their morality is near perfect.

My aim in life is to be near perfect in morality.

2) Does God tortures people?
Well, he burns those who don't believe in him for eternity.
(His moral for this is very low.)
Does Satan tortures people?
Well, he does get God to allow him to affict Job.
(His moral for this is very low.)
Do I torture people?
(No, I don't. My morality is above Satan and above God.)
Does (Some good-hearted person) tortures people?
No, they don't. Their morality is good.

See?

I apply the same set of judgments to everyone. I am not being very hard on God. I am basing his morality, in comparison to eveyone in a fair manner. This is not like you, who will forgive God for every wrong thing he does and still says he is holy just because he is, well, the creator.
All I honestly see right here is a person who is trying to play Judge. You do not even see the big picture.Your not even right in your judgements, for example:


Does God torture people?
Well He burns those who do not believe in Him for eternity.

Right answer: People CHOOSE death and eternal seperation from God. They choose it because they love their wickedness so much they do not want to come into the light.

Does God reach out to help those in need?
Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn't.


Right answer: People refuse HIS Help. You know, you can lend your hand all you want but a person can refuse it.

If this nation wasnt so slothful,self-centered,greedy,prideful,gluttenous,hateful, wicked (and much much more) maybe God would be able to do much more through us. Of coarse now people like to blame that on God too lol..

Well..thats something to think about ;)

Your judgments are misled :hug: :hug:

About seeking God: No, I am not seeking him. At least not the christian version of him. I am seeking a God who will judge himself in the same way he judges others. If it is wrong to murder for us, then murder is wrong for him as well.
So than you are seeking an idol than? Because there is only ONE TRUE God.

You have a very poor view on Him and you do not understand. stop listening to satan..;)

If I ever find up that God is perfectly moral, then I will respect him. I will make him my aim in life. I will base my life on his morality. He will be my role model and superstar.
Tell me one thing God did that was sin? :)

He judged people for THEIR wickedness, why? Because He is the only one who is God and He has a right to do so. But people don't like that..

If God, on the other hand, is not perfectly moral. Then I will thank him for only one thing: Giving me life. But that is all I will thank him for. If I go to hell for my rejection of an immoral God who is more powerful than me, so be it.
Do you find every judge that gives the criminals what they rightly deserve, to be immoral? :confused:

See, you may not like and quite honestly understand His judgments, but you also do not understand the wickedness in this world either. Alot of us do not understand how wicked and evil the world we live in and the people who are in it.

You have to understand that God is HOLY.

I just wish people would just recieve forgiveness for their crimes instead of getting what they deserve.

And you may not agree with, sin having such a harsh punishment as death. But again that is not for you to judge, you do not understand the big picture again ;)


In conclusion, I am reading up on all religions to see if I can find a perfectly moral god to follow as a role model in my life. (I had not found that God in Christianity. I am starting to think Satan is also not that kind of God. I am currently more interested in Buddhism.) In the event that I cannot find a perfectly moral God, then I will just focus on being like that non-existing ideal 'God' I have in mind.
In the meantime I will continue to pray for you. :pray:

Perfect forgiveness. Perfect love. Perfect mercy. Perfect morality.
He is the only one true God that you reject. :( You need to really think about this :hug: You really do not know what your missing out on.

Blessings :hug::hug:
 
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You are placing yourself on very dangerous grounds.

Judging God - Blaming God - WOW - you have really believed the lies of the devil.

God does not tortuer people in hell - people send themselves to hell - When we reject the drawing of God to himself - it is then our responsibility.

If you were standing on a bridge and ready to jump off and God told you not to and you jumped anyway and drown - is that God's fault -

IF you are seeking to prove your point here you are listening to the lies of the devil - he is telling you that you can be perfect without God - lie, lie, lie.

We cannot even be perfect with God.

Everyone is wanting to encourage you - but I do not see any encouragement for you until you put down the lies of the devil and start seeking the truth for yourself and get off this idea that you can judge God.

Prayers is all that I can offer you at this point.
 
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I see many miracles in many religions. I think all religions are valid.

All religions cannot be all valid. They all make particular claims that are mutually exclusive of other claims. For example, Christianity makes a specific claim that Jesus is the only way to God. Now either that is true or it isn't. If Christianity is valid, then that statement is true which means that all other religious claims that say otherwise are false. Or if Christianity's claim is false, then Christianity isn't valid. All religions are not equally valid simply because of the nature of the claims they all make.

I think I am my own god.

Of course. That's what Christianity expects you to say which is exactly why you should turn to Jesus.

That is, I do good deeds because I want to and I love to, not because I want to please any particular god.

This assumes that you as god have defined what good is. If you are your own god, then all of this "good" you want to do is really meaningless. But you seem to know that doing good is not really meaningless and this is simply because the God who created everything designed you in such a fashion that you reflect His image. And I agree that doing good is not meaningless and everyone inherently knows what good is and knows they should be good. The simple reason for this is that God designed us like this; He made us to be like Him in this fashion. Of course, if you are your own god, your own authority, then your definition of "good" is as arbitrary as your set desire for doing what you define as "good".

This is a perfect example that you indeed know that there is a Creator God, but you willingly refuse to give Him credit or even acknowledge Him and so you suppress the truth. But this isn't suprising to a Christian since we have already been told that this is exactly what people do.


As of now, I still believes that God, the christian God is bad.

Based on what? Your own definition of good? Have you become the final authority on what is good and what is not?

1) Ordering the killing of non-jews, including women and children, in the Old Testament.

This one is a difficult one for everyone to get their heads around. First, God actually orders the killing of all of humanity back in Genesis. All of the offspring of the first man are sentenced to die. I would argue that the giver of life and Creator of the Universe has the appropriate authority to make this sort of call. So saying that He orders the taking of life in Deuteronomy and Joshua is really just saying that He is carrying out a sentence He has already pronounced. Secondly, I would also point out that none of the people that God orders killed are said to be innocent (Gen 15:16). For example, at least one of the things those people were guilty for is told:

Deut 18:9 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, you must not learn the abhorrent practices of those nations. 18:10 There must never be found among you anyone who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire

Here in Deuteronomy 18:10 the Israelites are told not to practice child sacrifice like the nations around them do.

Leviticus 18:21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord!

Here, "giving" a child to Molech is again talking about child sacrifice. Israel was not to sacrifice to Molech as the nations around them did. Appearantly one of the sins that God detested about the nations in that time were that they were offering their children up as human sacrifices to idols. This was probably one of the reasons He decided to render judgment on them.

Thridly, I would say that nobody is actually innocent and that all people are born into sin. The Good God is also the Just God, and surely you would agree that justice is a good thing, even you seem to want to make sure fairness takes place. So God, being perfectly fair, will judge the guilty.

2) Sending anyone who does not believe in him, including even good people, to hell.

This wrongly assumes that there would be good people in hell. This is not the actual case though. Only the guilty are in hell.

3) Allowing Satan to afflict Job, who is so loyal to him, just to test Job's loyalty towards him.

What's wrong with testing someones loyalty?

4) Wanting people to worship him.

You just admitted that you were your own god and so you worship yourself. Then you further go on to impose your own defintion of good onto people, as well as other important items like your own language, principles and concepts, and then you act as if the things you, as god, define are universal in application. This is nothing short of trying to get other people to acknowledge your authority and give honor to you. What makes what you do OK and what God does not OK? Why do you hold such a double standard?

Worship is another way of talking about giving honor. God as the Creator and Sustainer of everything actually merits the appropriate honor and credit. All He ever really asked for was our loyalty to Him and surely He deserves nothing less than honor and loyalty, maybe even just a "thank you". But instead of giving what He merits, people choose to grant themselves the honor due to God, or grant honor to their own gods. This is actually something along the lines of an attempted coup d'etat. Everyone attempts to dethrone God and enthrone themselves, or even to be silly enough to enthrone themselves long enough to pick an authority of their own choosing and enthrone that thing. The ultimate offense against God is that of an honor offense, an attempt to usurp His authority, an attempt to shame Him.

Justice demands an equitable response to what we give out. If you do good, you merit good being done in return. If you do bad, you merit bad being done in return. In our ultimate offense against God we can expect justice to be done, that is, what we dish out we can expect will be returned in equal measure. That's simply what we merit, that's justice. The concept here is rather simple itself. If you dishonor God, you can expect dishonor in return. Instead of honoring God, you dishonor Him and honor yourself. Of course, in the eyes of the Almighty Creator this is nothing short of you willingly shaming yourself and the more you shame youself the farther away you naturally want to move from God. God has the most honor/glory and someone who is shamed naturally wants to move away from those with honor. The judgment rendered by God then is to just give you what you want. The shame that you have attempted to dish out to God is returned to you in equal measure, but incredibly it's exactly what you want!

The honor God grants us is being truly human when we are born again into eternal life, new humanity and new creation in Jesus the Messiah. To be truly human is to have life and bear the image, to reflect the image, of the Creator. The shame you willingly bring on yourself actually places you outside of what it means to be truly human. One day God will simply agree with your decision and say, "Thy will be done" and let you cease to be human. Taking your honor in this manner means taking away the honor normally given by God to humans - life, image bearing, etc.. In your willingly bringing shame on yourself you willingly run from the honor granted to humans - life, bearing God's image, etc..

Hell then is simply a life forever on the run. If you want to move outside of what it means to be human, then God will grant your wish. If you want to become your own god and your own authority, God will grant your wish. But since God is omnipresent you will discover that you will keep running in order to escape Him. What is needed is to then give up the honor and glory you ascribe to yourself and give it to God. In doing so you receive the honor that a human really deserves, that is, to be in the image of God and have life. The problem still remains on how to deal with your offense which is taken care of by faith in Jesus since He served as the substitute for the punishment you deserved.

The Creator has acted out of grace to save those who have faith in Jesus. There is no reason for you not to be included.

As of now, I think more on how good and bad is defined by man, rather than by god.

Exactly my point. Your definition of good is rather arbitrary.

I am very inspired by a real life good friend of mine.

You mean "good" friend since your definition of "good" doesn't apply to anyone else if you are your own god.

She believes that the abilities of goodness is in everyone in this world, even evil people.

You still talk about "goodness" as if this is some universal idea. But if everyone is their own god, then everyone creates his own definition of good and goodness. What you say is good is really meaningless and what your friend says is good is just as meaningless as well if we are indeed our own gods. Same with evil - who gives you the right to define what is and isn't evil?

She thinks that by being good, we are gods and goddesses.

So why does she as her own god get to define what is good? Is something good because the gods demand it or is something demanded because it is good. But if you want to ascribe this concept of "good" to some universal and unchanging concept you will have a serious problem in your model of reality. Who defines what is good? I as a Christian say God's very nature defines what is good and since we are made to reflect His nature we know what is good and are to do what is good. But if everyone is their own god, then this universal and unchanging "good" is just arbitrary.

Her philosophy is to make this world a happier place now that she is born than a sadder place.

Same with the definitions of happy and sad. If everyone is their own god, why does your friend want to make the world conform to her definition of happiness? What if nobody wants to be happy by her standards? Why is her definition of happy and good any better than that of Stalin? As a Christian I have a good answer, but if everyone is their own god then Stalin's definition is as "good" as anyone else's.

See, you really know God and know you should give Him what is due - proper honor and glory. But you willingly suppress the conclusion you should logically arrive at.

I don't think God is drawing me near to him, as I do not feel any nearer to God.

This isn't about feeling, this is about reality.

I ask him, in time when I do talk to God, to judge people on the merits of what they do,

That's EXACTLY what He does.

and to allow good people who don't believe in him to have a good afterlife.

God is the standard of Good. If you want a good afterlife, you must be in His presence. To run away from God's presence is to run away from the very good you want. That's quite horrifying. You give lip service to wanting good but you won't do what it takes to arrive there.

I think they deserve a reward for their efforts to make the world a better place.

They are rewarded exactly based on what they merit.

I don't think it is fair of God to send such good people to hell.

There are no good people in hell.

If I do good deeds and he still sends me to hell, then he can't be really just.

You don't go to hell for doing good deeds. People go to hell because it's what they want.

I am not going to bow down to him and worship him just because he says in the bible he is good.

Then you refuse to bow to the very standard of good. You willingly run away from what is good.

He had to prove to me by his deeds, and not words alone, that he is good.

That's exactly what He has done in Jesus. What more do people need?

And my defination of goodness is, he will put an end to suffering, immediately.

This is again your attempt to be god. He does not bow to your demands. Indeed He does plan on ending suffering even if your timetable doesn't match His.

I will not call a God who sends people to hell for not believining in him good. A good God will not send anyone to hell.

Look at what you just said. If God is the standard of good, then being cast or running away from the presence of God is running away from what is truly Good. There are no good people in hell.

If I were God, I simply put people who do evil deeds into a kind of prison so that they do not continue to harm others.

You are not god and since you are not god you are not the judge of the Real God.

I will let people who do not worship me into heaven based on their good deeds.

In that very statement you ascribe yourself the honor due to God. By letting people into heaven based on your standards, the only people in your heaven ARE the people who adhere to your standards and in so doing they worship you and grant you honor! In this very statement you are doing what you don't want to do! The very person cast out of your heaven is the True God of the Universe. He would be allowed into your heaven if He only bowed to your authority and your standard, but since He doesn't He is cast out. This is most interesting since you willingly cast somone out of your heaven and into your hell for eternity, that someone being the one most of us refer to as Jehovah. You have simply reversed roles with Jehovah. Here you have cast someone out of your presence for not bowing to your authority and giving you honor. Isn't this what you were just complaining about though? Isn't this what I was saying previously? Perhaps Jehovah just does the same thing you do? But if He is the actual source of life, the source of human dignity, the source of our honor & status as humans, the sustainer of rationality, the standard of good...and you willingly cast Him out..

I will not give up EVER on those people who do evil even in my prison. I will try to reform them, hoping they will come to their senses.

And if they don't? Again, you are trying to get people to grant you authority. This is nothing short of demanding worship/honor.

A good God eventually is able to convince everyone to stop being evil and follows the path of goodness.

Why should that be the case?

The best thing for you to do is to repent and declare faith in the Christ. It's really the only way to be saved.
 
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