New age in a compromising church.

talitha said:

That's up to you, but there is no basis for calling it new-age. New agers drink tea - should I stop drinking tea?

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My dear sister, all the new age practices in churches these days come from other religions, the occult, or whatever fills the fancies of those sensitive seekers, that's what new age is about. As I will say again, prayer soaking and comtemplative prayer is "MYSTICISM"!

Where did you get that idea from, about drinking tea?

ARBITER01 said:

That is true, and I agree, but that is not what they are teaching in those videos.

We are not suppose to just seek HIS presence, the Hebrew word means face also. We are to come into direct contact with GOD in our prayer lives, not just lie around listening to music and having people lay hands upon us, that is not prayer.

I stand by what Paul wrote, I will pray with my spirit and pray with my understanding. I consider that teaching to be more than adequate, if folks want to consider things outside of that, then let them do so, but it is their own stumbling block.

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Yep Arb, you can come in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but not this laying around on the floor, allowing someone to walking around chanting, with music in the background, and laying hands on while you lay there, which is partial hypnosis and hypnotherapy.

Blessings.

Ohhh I thought you wanted to get back to the OP, Elijah!

My dear sister, all the new age practices in churches these days come from other religions, the occult, or whatever fills the fancies of those sensitive seekers, that's what new age is about. As I will say again, prayer soaking and comtemplative prayer is "MYSTICISM"!

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Deep communion with our God and "seeker sensitive" do not go together, at least not in places in Texas and MidWest where I've lived..... and it would TOTALLY not be seeker sensitive to be new-age in any way..... Ugh, I despise seeker-sensitive namby-pamby white-bread glorified-Lions-club meetings on Sunday mornings....

I agree, it's mysticism - Christian Mysticism - been around a long time.....
Ever heard of the Moravians? They led John Wesley into a deeper walk with God - really into his salvation experience, in the eighteenth century - through "mystic" experiences in prayer......

"The Christian mystic awakens to, is purified and illuminated by, and is eventually united with the God of love. As an icon of agapic love, the mystic both amplifies every person’s more hidden life of faith, hope, and love and points the way to full human authenticity” (Harvey Egan, An Anthology of Christian Mysticism).

Christian mystics include Thomas Merton, Julian of Norwich, and Teilhard de Chardin, among others (not to mention John the Beloved).

blessings
tal

oh, I forgot this, LOL

Where did you get that idea from, about drinking tea?

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ahem

New-agers practice mysticism as they connect with their false gods, so you are saying that if a Christian uses mysticism as he connects with the true God it's wrong. (I'm going with the definition of mysticism that says it's a direct experience of the spiritual or divine - that's what I believe mysticism to be)

So by that logic, if a new-ager drinks tea for refreshment, then since he does that, I should not drink tea.

Sorry, I thought I could speak metaphorically in here..

ARBITER01 said:

That is true, and I agree, but that is not what they are teaching in those videos.

We are not suppose to just seek HIS presence, the Hebrew word means face also. We are to come into direct contact with GOD in our prayer lives, not just lie around listening to music and having people lay hands upon us, that is not prayer.

I stand by what Paul wrote, I will pray with my spirit and pray with my understanding. I consider that teaching to be more than adequate, if folks want to consider things outside of that, then let them do so, but it is their own stumbling block.

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As far as I know--that is exactly what soaking prayer is doing---one is meeting God.

There is more witchcraft found in legalistic Pentecostalism than you would find in a sideshow fortune teller!

Its earmarks are control, manipulation and rebellion.

These spirits manifest wherever the flesh reigns. (even religious flesh)

The bible to these folks is just another book of magic to incant over life’s issues.

So, when you say “New Age” just remember there is nothing new under the sun.


John O.

kenblaster5000 said:

This has bugged me for quite some time, since I have been delivered from astrology, and other new age ideas, when I was seeking to find myself. .

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People are looking for something supernatural and arent getting anything supernatural in the church.

lismore said:

People are looking for something supernatural and arent getting anything supernatural in the church.

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Agreed.....

and long time no see, lismore..... interesting new icon.......

Elijah2 said:

Yep Arb, you can come in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but not this laying around on the floor, allowing someone to walking around chanting, with music in the background, and laying hands on while you lay there, which is partial hypnosis and hypnotherapy.

Blessings.

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You know what else to Mate.Alot of these "slayings in the spirt" type of "manifestations",where people shake and twitch on the floor for hours,could be a deception.

Notice the actions of a possessed person.

1. Mark 1:26
   And the unclean spirit, convulsing him and crying out with a loud voice, came out of him.
2. Mark 9:26
   And after crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, "He is dead."

oh, and jeolmstead - sadly I agree with that - seen too much not to.....

talitha said:

Agreed.....

and long time no see, lismore..... interesting new icon.......

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Hi There

Nice to see you too, about the icon. He who seeks finds!

jeolmstead said:

There is more witchcraft found in legalistic Pentecostalism than you would find in a sideshow fortune teller!
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Thats one of the problems.

New Age Mysticism can be personal and direct in a way that most branches of modern Christianity aren't. New agers I have met are looking for a personal belief, they dont need a pastor to look up to and tell them what to do, they dont need membership of a religious club, they dont need a massive building, they dont need to massage the leader's ego, they dont need to pay through the nose to be accepted, they dont need a thousand confusing and contradictory doctrines.

Of course the gospel is different, there is one mediator, Jesus Christ and salvation is a free gift. But the gospel is not what is being preached in the church today.

kenblaster5000 said:

Hey, I do not know if it is spread out within the church, but if you ever have watched anything like Sandy Brown on Montel, you will see those who profess to be Christians listening to people like her who listen to mediums. I would not care so much if it did not hit home. My own mother has tried to tempt me into getting into her. My mother talks about her prophecies and says that people should not ride trains. This is a spirit of fear. My mother has gone as far to deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and says he is a mere man. Whenever I mention that He is God, she scoffs at me. I love my mom and I cannot believe she would pick a false prophet who leads sheep to the slaughter over her own son. Jesus Christ came to even set a mother against her son, but thank God I am on the right side of the fence. I thought at first that I was opening a can of worms but I really feel strongly about this stuff.

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Who is Sandy Brown? Sounds like a cheap stage name.

kenblaster5000 said:

I respect Elijah 2. He might make some mistakes, but who doesn't. Let us not pretend we are perfect. Those who compare themselves on to another are not wise. I don't know about his motives or his heart, only God knows, but if he is anything like me, he might just care about the sheep. I care about whether things are legit, for I will not lead people to the slaughter. Watch who you label a wolf, because that wolf you think you see might be right.

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Ken, I have respect for Elijah2 also - that post refers to an exchange that we had earlier on in the thread; it is not a blanket statement about Elijah2 as a person. I don't think he took it personally either. E2 was calling contemplative prayer "new age", but it clearly pre-dates the "new age" movement; that is easy to see if you do the research.

I did NOT label Elijah2 a wolf. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, next time, please ask me.

blessings
tal

BenAdam said:

Who is Sandy Brown? Sounds like a cheap stage name.

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LOL yeah, it does - but I think he's talking about Sylvia Browne.