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In other words, what makes the sacrifice of God accomplish what it was intended for was your acceptance. Very unsovereign view of God you have there.
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In other words, what makes the sacrifice of God accomplish what it was intended for was your acceptance. Very unsovereign view of God you have there.
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Hey, I answered this in the very same post. Every action is not a work. If I offered you money, you'd put out your hand to get it. That's not a work that is earning you the money, but it's an action that it took for you to RECEIVE the gift. There's not other way I can think to explain it.
Do you deny Romans 10:9, Acts 16:31? You make it sound as if there's nothing that we must do to accept salvation, and the Bible clearly disagrees. There's nothing you can do to EARN it, but there's something you must do to GET it. If you are on welfare, you have to go down and register to get your checks. That doesn't mean that you have EARNED those checks. You've registered because it was necessary for you to GET them.
Hmmm, I'm not saying this at all. Christ's death did accomplish something for me specifically, even before I accepted Him. It gave me the RIGHT to eternal life, whereas before, I didn't even have the RIGHT. I'm sure you know of our rights as Americans. Whether you take advantage of those rights or not is up to you, but the fact is, you HAVE the right. Well, Christ's death gave us the right, and without it, I'd have no chance in heaven of going there.
I'll answer these one by one:
1) Who do I credit with my particular salvation? - I credit the Lord God alone.
2) Before I did anything, was I saved by Christ's propitiatory sacrifice? - No, I was not. The Bible says that if I want to be saved, I HAVE TO confess the Lord Jesus and believe in my heart the God raised Him from the dead. That's what the BIBLE says that I must do.
3) This question goes hand-in-hand with the last, so see answer #2.
Not at all. His death means everything. So if I don't confess, I'll be without excuse when I stand before God for the judgement because His death gave me the right, I just wouldn't ACCEPT IT.
The Bible disagrees with you. I've given a few verses already from Romans and Acts.
No, that's what I'm QUOTING that the BIBLE said. Romans 10:9 said that you will be saved if you confess and believe. What more could I say on that? You're ignoring clear-cut Scripture.
Not true at all... Many people believe in many different things. People believe in Budda, Baha'ullah, the list goes on. Belief is a God-given ability inherent IN EVERY MAN. Everyone believes something... Even if their belief is in NO god, they still believe something. So, if you hear the gospel and you believe it, you faith is built up and it leads to salvation.
You're misunderstanding that scripture. It's saying that the state of being in Christ is what makes you a new creature. You don't become a new creature and THEN be in Christ. You become a new creature instantaneously with being in Christ, with being saved. Not after, and not before.
And you said that the burden for accepting Christ doesn't lie with us as pertains to receiving salvation... And I totally disagree. Again and again, I reference two clear scriptures (although there are more) Romans 10:9 and Acts 16:31.
This is so anti-God. It is not the NATURE of our loving God to actually desire that some perish... and DESIRE and WILL are the same thing, what you WISH to occur. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to say that it's God's will that some perish. Maybe you meant to say that it's in God's PLAN, but not necessarily His will. Then, I'd agree, but saying that God WILLS that some perish is totally contrary to the character and nature of God as given through ALL of scripture and you are now not just siting personal interpretation of scripture, but an actual heretical (strong word, and I kinda hate to use it) doctrine. Again, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to say what you said. God does not wish that any should perish, although He knows that many will despite that fact because He does not impose His divine will upon us unless we ask Him. There are plenty of Scriptures to show forth that we must ASK God before receiving... and I declare that the same applies to salvation. If YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SAVED, GOD'S NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU.
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Originally posted by Reformationist
In other words, what makes the sacrifice of God accomplish what it was intended for was your acceptance. Very unsovereign view of God you have there.
God bless
But, it's an accurate view. Just because God's chooses not to impute His sovereignty on EVERYTHING doesn't make Him any less sovereign. And your statement would better represent my position if it were to say: "What makes the sacrifice of God accomplish (in YOU) what it was intended for, is your acceptance."
Therefore, the responsibility in obtaining salvation (not earning, but attaining) lies in the hearts of man. God has done all the work to provide it. Now, we must accept it by faith.
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Originally posted by Reformationist
In other words, what makes the sacrifice of God accomplish what it was intended for was your acceptance. Very unsovereign view of God you have there.
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Reformist, is the sovereign God the only "God " you know?
Do you know about the loving, merciful, and just God? Do you know that God can be all these things with out compromising his sovereign?
And what I asked you before was if you don't know how he regenerates man than how can you say that he can not do it in a way that would not interfere with our free will?
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Reformist,
[[[mel, if God grants you eternal life because of something you do then your salvation is not by His grace, it's something that you've earned, a wage for your works:]]]
What problem do you have with God giving someone the actual grace to accept him which in turn leads them to live in his sanctifying grace? How is he not soveregein in doing it this way?
[[[mel, if God grants you eternal life because of something you do then your salvation is not by His grace, it's something that you've earned, a wage for your works:]]]
What problem do you have with God giving someone the actual grace to accept him which in turn leads them to live in his sanctifying grace? How is he not soveregein in doing it this way?
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Not only did Jesus die for all but it is also the Fathers will that none should perish.
In Matt. 18:14, the parable of the lost sheep, Jesus said; "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."
In Matt. 18:14, the parable of the lost sheep, Jesus said; "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."
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I remember posting this section of Romans elsewhere, but I wanted to post it again, because I feel like it illustrates part of the idea of limited atonement fairly well:
"But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." -Romans 3:21-26
1.) Why did Jesus die?
2.) Whose sins did Jesus die for?
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As to the issue of receiving a gift of $5, what if your friend used direct deposit ?
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Regarding my earlier post on "understanding," what I was trying to get at is that if we have faith, it comes from an understanding of the gospel (Mark 4:11-12~"And He was saying to them, 'To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN.'"). Perception and understanding precede repentance. On an aside, does this passage make it sound like Jesus wants all people to come into the kingdom?
So, how does one understand? God gives him/her a new heart (Ezek. 11:19-20~"And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God."). What is a heart of stone (a hard heart) like? Hebrews 3 calls it an "evil, unbelieving heart." I have to agree with Reformationist on this one (I assume this is in accordance with your beliefs, Ref) that the picture here is not God, the cosmetic surgeon, offering us a face lift, but God, the ER physician, performing a heart transplant on an unconscious, dying patient. We must have this transplant if we are to desire Jesus' words and His kingdom. Thank God he didn't withhold His hand!
Just for more scripture references, we could look at Jer. 31:33, which says, "'But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares the LORD, 'I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.'" How are we able to follow the Law? God writes it on our hearts. What an amazing promise! Unlike the Pharisees, I can trust that God will change my heart, so that I can follow the Law.
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"But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." -Romans 3:21-26
1.) Why did Jesus die?
2.) Whose sins did Jesus die for?
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As to the issue of receiving a gift of $5, what if your friend used direct deposit
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Regarding my earlier post on "understanding," what I was trying to get at is that if we have faith, it comes from an understanding of the gospel (Mark 4:11-12~"And He was saying to them, 'To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN.'"). Perception and understanding precede repentance. On an aside, does this passage make it sound like Jesus wants all people to come into the kingdom?
So, how does one understand? God gives him/her a new heart (Ezek. 11:19-20~"And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God."). What is a heart of stone (a hard heart) like? Hebrews 3 calls it an "evil, unbelieving heart." I have to agree with Reformationist on this one (I assume this is in accordance with your beliefs, Ref) that the picture here is not God, the cosmetic surgeon, offering us a face lift, but God, the ER physician, performing a heart transplant on an unconscious, dying patient. We must have this transplant if we are to desire Jesus' words and His kingdom. Thank God he didn't withhold His hand!
Just for more scripture references, we could look at Jer. 31:33, which says, "'But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares the LORD, 'I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.'" How are we able to follow the Law? God writes it on our hearts. What an amazing promise! Unlike the Pharisees, I can trust that God will change my heart, so that I can follow the Law.
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All of your points are and I agree with what the scripture is saying, but I believe that the interpretation and/or application of those scriptures is what is misconstrued.
I agree that God gives grace and that God is He who touches our hearts, but what I'm saying is that although God touches our hearts, He doesn't FORCE His will upon us.
But, I'm starting to repeat myself... Think about it. If only those who He would to be saved were saved, WE'D ALL BE SAVED. If God imputed His will upon us, there would be NO SIN. If we didn't have freewill, Adam wouldn't have sinned in the first place. These ideas are totally contrary. They alleviate our accountability because we are only products of God's will, and so are the decisions we make. Not so. We have the choice... life or death, heaven or hell... Christ made it possible, but we've got to make it apply.
I agree that God gives grace and that God is He who touches our hearts, but what I'm saying is that although God touches our hearts, He doesn't FORCE His will upon us.
But, I'm starting to repeat myself... Think about it. If only those who He would to be saved were saved, WE'D ALL BE SAVED. If God imputed His will upon us, there would be NO SIN. If we didn't have freewill, Adam wouldn't have sinned in the first place. These ideas are totally contrary. They alleviate our accountability because we are only products of God's will, and so are the decisions we make. Not so. We have the choice... life or death, heaven or hell... Christ made it possible, but we've got to make it apply.
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There seems to be an assumption underlying this argument, saying: It is God's will that every creature (human) be saved (redeemed). If this were not the case, i.e. if it was not God's will for all to be saved, could you agree that only those for whom it is God's will that they be saved get saved?
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p.s. i shudder a bit at the idea of our being able to thwart God's will...
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Ah, the ol' "it's up to us to make the decision" argument. Time and time again I hear it, time and time again the Word of God tells me that it is wrong.
John 6:63- "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing..."
It's funny how many tend to think a decision they can make (or refuse) in their flesh profits them with eternal life, when the Word of God teaches that the flesh profits nothing.
Grace to you.
John 6:63- "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing..."
It's funny how many tend to think a decision they can make (or refuse) in their flesh profits them with eternal life, when the Word of God teaches that the flesh profits nothing.
Grace to you.
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Ahhh, but we most definitely ARE able to... not because we're so powerful or God is so "unGod", but because He chooses, in His sovereignty, to allow us to have free will.
When He created man in Gen. 1:26, He said that He was to create us to have the dominion, so if He usurped that by taking away our free will, He'd be going against His own Word. And we know that that is absolutely impossible.
God wills that all are saved, but that's not the case because He, in His love for us, allows us to make our own choices. And in that choice is the option to NOT choose Him. We're not God's playground. We have minds of our own and can make our own decisions.
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It may just be me but this is the logical thing to believe. Predestination is very illogical and simply put; it is not sensible to believe.
God wants us to choose him freely out of love for him. Love in exchange for love. Everyone walking the earth knows both saved and unsaved that if someone does not return your love that you have for him or her back freely and un cohorts then it really is not love. Why would God be any different? Especially seeing how God IS love and the author of love and the reason why any of us love is because we are made in his image and likeness and love is inherent to us for that reason.
God has put in us all a desire for love and a need for unconditional love but because of our fallen nature no one person except for Jesus can love us completely. There is no one person in our lives that can love us as completely as Jesus can. We all search for love and truth in this world because God has created us this way. Our human depravity, our darkened intellect, and our out of control emotions that were brought on by the fall, has left our ability to recognize God's love, impaired, not destroyed. There is also the influence of Satan on the other side telling us lies and having us believe that we can fill this God shaped desire for love with the things of the world. We call this spiritual battle. This is where we have to choose. God will give all of us the grace to choose him. The bible says that his grace is sufficient but it is a choice to accept Jesus in our lives or to forfeit him. This is the battle that we are in.
Jesus is our lord, our king but he doesn't rule us with control but with love. If we follow him it is out of love for him, not because he makes us.
You can not tell me that this is not true because every one of us was made to love and be loved. This is the thing that drives us all human beings. Even those who are professed atheist have the ability to love, just because they deny the origin of their capability doesn't change the reality of where it comes from.
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Psalm 33:10-12-
"The LORD brings the counsel of the nations to nothing; He makes the plans of the peoples of no effect. The counsel of the LORD stands forever. The plans of His heart to all generations. Blessed is the antion whoe God is the LORD. The people He has chosen as His own inheritance."
It's a scary thing to say that we can thwart the will of God by our decisions. No, if their is one maverick molecule in the universe then God is not sovereign. And if God is not sovereign, then He is not God. Our wills are not free, for we are born dead in our trespasses, held captive by the prince of the power of the air. We are in complete moral bondage to sin. There is none righteous, not even one. There is none who seek after God.
It is He who must seek His own. You may continue "to thwart the will of God", but I will continue to trust the Word of God that says His will stands forever. Does the clay have power over the potter? No, no, and no.
Christ died for the sheep, I must repeat again, for the sheep. Those He knew before the foundations of the world, in Christ. Christ shed not one drop of blood in vain. He paid the price, in full. All whom He died for will be saved, by His means, in His timing; we are left only as humble servants bringing forth His will by "good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph. 2:10)
Glory in the Lord, not in a decision that man may or may not make. Christ did not pay a hypothetical price contingent upon us accepting the ransom. He paid the ransom in full to God the Father, that He may give Christ a bride, whom God has already chosen.
As for those who do not believe- "...you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me"- John 10:26-27
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." John 6:37
Not they might come to Him, or have the ability to come to Him...they will come to Him, because He will regenerate them.
Grace to you.
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So if somebody is in hell then Jesus purposely held back his sacrifice for him or her? But if he/she is in heaven then Christ died willingly for them?
This is a prime example of putting God in a box and limiting his sovereign. For some of us it is hard to just accept that the work of cross is a mystery so we tend to shape God into something that we can comprehend but the bible says that "My thoughts are not you thoughts and my ways are high above your ways."
This is a prime example of putting God in a box and limiting his sovereign. For some of us it is hard to just accept that the work of cross is a mystery so we tend to shape God into something that we can comprehend but the bible says that "My thoughts are not you thoughts and my ways are high above your ways."
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Ah a quote from Isaiah 55, I like that chapter of Isaiah, let's read some more...
Isaiah 55:8-11-
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughs. For as the rain comes down, and the snow frome heaven and do not return there, but water the earth and make it bring foth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prospter IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT."
God's word does not return void, all whom He has chosen shall hear His word, and will receive Christ. Yet another example of how God's will cannot be thwarted.
Grace to you.
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By the way, that comment about Christ holding back His sacrifice for people in hell...that shows how ridiculous the idea of Christ dying for everyone is. If Christ died for people in hell then that makes His death a failure, it means His words DID NOT prosper in the thing for which He sent them.
Grace to you.
Grace to you.
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"We are often told that we limit the atonement of Christ, because we say that Christ has not made satisfaction for all men, or all men would be saved. Now, our reply to this is, that, on the other hand, our opponents limit it: we do not. The Arminians say, Christ died for all men. Ask them what they mean by it. Did Christ die so as to secure the salvation of all men. They say, "No, certainly not." We ask them the next question--Did Christ die so as to secure the salvation of any man in particular? They answer, "No." They are obliged to admit this, if they are consistent. They say, "No, Christ has died that any man may be saved if..." --and then follow certain conditions of salvation. Now, who is it that limits the death of Christ? Why, you. You say that Christ did not die so as to secure the salvation of anybody. We beg your pardon, when you say that we limits Christ's death; we say, "no my dear sir, it is you that do it." We say Christ so died that he infallibly secured the salvation of a multitude that no man can number, who through Christ's death not only may be saved, but are saved, must be saved and cannot by any possibility run the hazard of being anything but saved. You are welcome to your atonement; you may keep it. We will never renounce ours for the sake of it."
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I believe Jesus died for ALL people. Now it's a totally different story if someone chooses to follow Christ or not. I don't think it's a elect few that he died for. His death and ressurection gives everyone a chance to be included in his family.
I think if he died for a few elect then we wouldn't have free choice. What would be the point in us being here and striving to live a decent life in the way God stipulated if all we are doing is here for his amusement ? Their are plenty of examples in the bible where people made the CHOICE to follow God's way.
I believe God gave us a free choice and that is we can accept him through his son Jesus Christ or we don't accept. But if you don't accept it's a guarantee you are going to hell. :o Hope that wasn't to harsh..eek!
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Is there one example of an unsaved person who "followed God's way" because of faith in Him?
God bless the butterflies!
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Originally posted by mellymell
Hey, I answered this in the very same post. Every action is not a work. If I offered you money, you'd put out your hand to get it. That's not a work that is earning you the money, but it's an action that it took for you to RECEIVE the gift. There's not other way I can think to explain it.
Do you deny Romans 10:9, Acts 16:31? You make it sound as if there's nothing that we must do to accept salvation, and the Bible clearly disagrees. There's nothing you can do to EARN it, but there's something you must do to GET it. If you are on welfare, you have to go down and register to get your checks. That doesn't mean that you have EARNED those checks. You've registered because it was necessary for you to GET them.
Hmmm, I'm not saying this at all. Christ's death did accomplish something for me specifically, even before I accepted Him. It gave me the RIGHT to eternal life, whereas before, I didn't even have the RIGHT. I'm sure you know of our rights as Americans. Whether you take advantage of those rights or not is up to you, but the fact is, you HAVE the right. Well, Christ's death gave us the right, and without it, I'd have no chance in heaven of going there.
I'll answer these one by one:
1) Who do I credit with my particular salvation? - I credit the Lord God alone.
2) Before I did anything, was I saved by Christ's propitiatory sacrifice? - No, I was not. The Bible says that if I want to be saved, I HAVE TO confess the Lord Jesus and believe in my heart the God raised Him from the dead. That's what the BIBLE says that I must do.
3) This question goes hand-in-hand with the last, so see answer #2.
Not at all. His death means everything. So if I don't confess, I'll be without excuse when I stand before God for the judgement because His death gave me the right, I just wouldn't ACCEPT IT.
The Bible disagrees with you. I've given a few verses already from Romans and Acts.
No, that's what I'm QUOTING that the BIBLE said. Romans 10:9 said that you will be saved if you confess and believe. What more could I say on that? You're ignoring clear-cut Scripture.
Not true at all... Many people believe in many different things. People believe in Budda, Baha'ullah, the list goes on. Belief is a God-given ability inherent IN EVERY MAN. Everyone believes something... Even if their belief is in NO god, they still believe something. So, if you hear the gospel and you believe it, you faith is built up and it leads to salvation.
You're misunderstanding that scripture. It's saying that the state of being in Christ is what makes you a new creature. You don't become a new creature and THEN be in Christ. You become a new creature instantaneously with being in Christ, with being saved. Not after, and not before.
And you said that the burden for accepting Christ doesn't lie with us as pertains to receiving salvation... And I totally disagree. Again and again, I reference two clear scriptures (although there are more) Romans 10:9 and Acts 16:31.
This is so anti-God. It is not the NATURE of our loving God to actually desire that some perish... and DESIRE and WILL are the same thing, what you WISH to occur. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to say that it's God's will that some perish. Maybe you meant to say that it's in God's PLAN, but not necessarily His will. Then, I'd agree, but saying that God WILLS that some perish is totally contrary to the character and nature of God as given through ALL of scripture and you are now not just siting personal interpretation of scripture, but an actual heretical (strong word, and I kinda hate to use it) doctrine. Again, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to say what you said. God does not wish that any should perish, although He knows that many will despite that fact because He does not impose His divine will upon us unless we ask Him. There are plenty of Scriptures to show forth that we must ASK God before receiving... and I declare that the same applies to salvation. If YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SAVED, GOD'S NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU.
Much love to you
I DO agree with those verses, I merely just agree that only the elect WILL.
Man doesn't just naturally feel a need for a Savior. Man is self-righteous and feels that they're pretty good people. Man doesn't naturally just wake up and come to the realization of his sin and need for Christ. The Father must create the need and the Holy Spirit must convict.
Thus, only the elect, those convicted and moved by God with His irresistible grace, WILL believe.
If Christ merely only gave us a "right" to salvation, then you must ask yourself, "Do I honestly believe that Christ can die in the place for someone, atone for their sins, and yet that person be condemned to hell forever because of those sins atoned for?" Friend, if Christ atoned for them, they're atoned for.
You also must ask yourself another question: Whom did Christ die for? If He died for everyone, so that everyone could be saved, yet a VAST majority of mankind be condemned, then quite simply, Satan won more souls to his home than God. In short, if Christ died for all, yet most are condemned, then Satan for the most part won the battle for the salvation of mankind's souls. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT? I don't think you do.
Now, NO MATTER WHAT VIEW OF THE ATONEMENT YOU HOLD, YOU BELIEVE IN A LIMITED ATONEMENT. You believe in a limited atonement:
I believe that Christ died for some, yet all He died for are going to heaven. You believe that Christ died and atoned for all, yet most are going to hell.
I limit the atonement quanitatively, but not qualitatively. 100% of those sins Christ died for are forgiven; there is no margin of error with God.
You limit the atonmenent qualitatively, but not quanitatively. Christ's blood doesn't actually save, our decision does. Qualitatively, it has no effect without the efficacy, OF US! Ridiculous. And certainly not Biblical. God doesn't need us for His work of salvation to be complete. John 19:30. Rather, WE ARE the reason we need salvation.
If you believe Christ died in the place of all, and atoned for every sin of every person, then every person must be saved.
If you believe that Christ died for some sins of all people, then all people are condemned.
If you believe that Christ died for all sins of some people, then 100% of the people God intended for salvation, are saved.
We're told repeatedly that Christ's blood was for "many". When the Bible says "world" it is not referring to every single person in the world, but rather, the elect of the world. The Jewish Messiah was not just for the Jews, but for the gentiles of the "world."
TTYL Jesus loves you!
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