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Tithing is in effect and has never ceased. It has been since before the law. If you don't want to obey, then don't. But you cannot go around telling people to disobey God.
No.It became law under Moses.Prior to that.Abraham tithed..ONCE.

That does not exactly put it into "effect".

He also gave out of the booty,after the slaughter of the kings.He then gave the other 90% to the king of Sodom.

So,if you wish to continue tithing,be sure to also offer up animal sacrifices too.And give the rest to the king of Sodom.
 
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Tithing is in effect and has never ceased. It has been since before the law. If you don't want to obey, then don't. But you cannot go around telling people to disobey God.

Agreed!

Mat 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

But if you want to be perfect go and do what???
 
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I won't say that this or that is "disobedience" to God.

I won't say that tithing is or isn't for NT believers.

But what I will say is that giving of your firstfruits goes all the way back to the beginning, when Abel offered the first best unto the Lord, which Cain was supposed to do as well, only Cain wanted to bring produce!!!

Even though Cain wanted to bring the WRONG sacrifice, the fact is, he still desired to bring God the first best. Maybe he didn't want to bother Abel for a sheep. Who knows? Cain tried, even though he did do it the wrong way.
 
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Tithing is in effect and has never ceased. It has been since before the law. If you don't want to obey, then don't. But you cannot go around telling people to disobey God.
Also.
As Paul was teaching about giving,he said it was not a command,unlike tithing.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

2 Corinthians 8:8
I am not speaking this as a command, but as proving through the earnestness of others the sincerity of your love also.

Aslo,Christians are not bound by the Malachi 3:9 prophecy,as tithe teachers in many churches love to quote.

Reason is...


New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--

Thanks.
 
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It is a command. It is up to us as to whether we want the blessing of God on us and the devourer rebuked before us or not.

As for me and my house, we will tithe unto the Lord for His greatness and favour, just as Abraham and Jacob did before the law. We do it after the law.
 
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Agreed!

Mat 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

But if you want to be perfect go and do what???
Cereminonial laws,which contain tithing for the levitical priesthood are abolished.



Romans 7:4
So, my brothers, you also died to the law (nomos 3553) through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the written code, with its regulations,(1378 dogma) that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.


Ephesians2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law (3551 nomos) of commandments (1785 entole, same as,Matt 15:3 a commandment of God) contained in ordinances (1378 dogma), so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

Definition.:Katargeo 2673(abolishing)
1 to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
1a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
1b) to deprive of force, influence, power
2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
2a) to cease, to pass away, be done away
2b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed
from any one
2c) to terminate all intercourse with one

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Result of search for "2673":
2673. katargeo kat-arg-eh'-o from 2596 and 691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively:--abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.
 
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Why not do both?

And why let working stop you?

I'm not saying it does. But QC is concerned about tithing while they are struggling at the moment. What I suggest is that tithing doesn't just have to be about the almighty dollar and that tithing can actually be your time as well. And because he has more time on his hands, due to not working, then he can put MORE time into God's church.
 
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It is a command. It is up to us as to whether we want the blessing of God on us and the devourer rebuked before us or not.

As for me and my house, we will tithe unto the Lord for His greatness and favour, just as Abraham and Jacob did before the law. We do it after the law.
I just searched tithe and house in all the major translations.Nothing,could you please post the verse location,thanks.

Just kidding,I know you were joking.
 
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Here are some interesting verses.
Tithing doesn't seem to be for today.


Only tithe in the place God has chosen as the dwelling place for his name, that is Jerusalem {Deuteronomy12:11}



Never tithe in your own city, only Jerusalem {Deuteronomy 12:17}

The tithe is the firstfruits i.e to be offered on the 17th day of the Jewish month of Nisan {Deuteronomy 12:17}

Eat your tithe {Deuteronomy 14:23}

If you live too far from Jerusalem to take food there, take money instead and use the money to buy food in Jerusalem {Deuteronomy 14:24-25}

Every third year give the food tithe to the levites {Deuteronomy 14: 28}
 
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WE seem to be off topic from the OP that implied that we give as to receive a kind of insurance policy from God. I don't think the debate was whether or not to give or if you prefer offer out gifts to the Lord. Of course we are to give the scripture says that we determine in our hearts what is the correct amount




Luk 6:38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.



2Cr 9:4For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we-not to say anything about you-would be ashamed of having been so confident.

2Cr 9:5So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

2Cr 9:6Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

2Cr 9:7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

2Cr 9:8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

2Cr 9:9As it is written: "He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; his righteousness endures forever." [fn]

2Cr 9:10Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.

2Cr 9:11You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

2Cr 9:12This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God's people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.

2Cr 9:13Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.

2Cr 9:14And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.

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2Cr 9:15Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
 
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People are the Church!!!
What did the Apostles do with the money that was brought to them?


Act 4:34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
Act 4:35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.


When I give I do it cheerfully.

Act 5:4 Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

There will always be those who build "houses of God"

Men love buildings. God loves people.




Tithes are given for the running of the church groups and to administer as those in control of it deem right. We are not to judge what is done with it. It is God's. We can judge what is done with money we give, however, as offerings.
 
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No.It became law under Moses.Prior to that.Abraham tithed..ONCE.

That does not exactly put it into "effect".

He also gave out of the booty,after the slaughter of the kings.He then gave the other 90% to the king of Sodom.

So,if you wish to continue tithing,be sure to also offer up animal sacrifices too.And give the rest to the king of Sodom.

Abraham tithed and Jacob as well made an oath to tithe. If you want to disparage the practice, go ahead, but I know from experience as well as millions of others, that God's promises to those who obey Him in tithing are exactly true and He lives up to every one.

God's Word never goes out of date. His promises are as good today as ever.
 
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I'm not saying it does. But QC is concerned about tithing while they are struggling at the moment. What I suggest is that tithing doesn't just have to be about the almighty dollar and that tithing can actually be your time as well. And because he has more time on his hands, due to not working, then he can put MORE time into God's church.

Struggling is the best time to begin to tithe! That is when you actually show God that you trust Him to take care of your needs. He will come through for you.
 
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Abraham tithed and Jacob as well made an oath to tithe. If you want to disparage the practice, go ahead, but I know from experience as well as millions of others, that God's promises to those who obey Him in tithing are exactly true and He lives up to every one.

God's Word never goes out of date. His promises are as good today as ever.
Lol..Jacob the crafty guy that he was,offered to tithe as a condition if he Got something.

Not a good example is it?:D

And scripture does not say he did anyway.

Abraham tithed ONCE.
 
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Lol..Jacob the crafty guy that he was,offered to tithe as a condition if he Got something.

Not true.



And scripture does not say he did anyway.

Yes it does!

Genesis 28:16-22
16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I wasn’t even aware of it!” 17 But he was also afraid and said, “What an awesome place this is! It is none other than the house of God, the very gateway to heaven!”
18 The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it. 19 He named that place Bethel (which means “house of God”), although the name of the nearby village was Luz.
20 Then Jacob made this vow: “If God will indeed be with me and protect me on this journey, and if he will provide me with food and clothing, 21 and if I return safely to my father’s home, then the Lord will certainly be my God. 22 And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”


Abraham tithed ONCE.

I don't believe that. You have nothing to prove it whatsoever. I believe it was his way of life with God.
 
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“Thus you shall also offer a heave offering to the Lord from all your tithes which you receive from the children of Israel, and you shall give the Lord’s heave offering from it to Aaron the priest.” (Num. 18:28)

The central fact of tithing is that only the members of the “Tribe of Levi” were at first ordained in the Bible to receive the tithe (the tenth). The Levites in turn were to give one tenth of that tithe to the Priests (See Numbers 18:25–28) who did not tithe at all.

In the 21st Century and the New Testament church, there are no Levites and Priests, there they are disqualified from receiving any biblical tithe because there is no official body of men functioning as Levites in a New Testament church.

There were basically only two types of income that were tithable:

The first one was from agricultural production: “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the LORD” (Lev. 27:30). Therefore, all agricultural produce of the land of Israel, whether fruits or vegetables were required to be tithed!

The second one was from the increase of animals: “And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the LORD” (Lev. 27:32).

Only these two specific income producers were subject to the tithe.

There was one exception in regards to these rules: “If a man wants at all to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add one-fifth to it” (Lev. 27:31). Therefore, if a man for any reason didn’t wish to pay his tithe in seed or fruit, and he wished to give money as a substitute, then he was penalised a fifth part. By this law it was obviously not intended to encourage payment of the tithe in money. The monetary redemption, on the other hand, was not allowed for the tithe of animals either, as Moses declared: “He shall not inquire whether it is good or bad, nor shall he exchange it; and if he exchanges it at all, then both it and the one exchanged for it shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.” (Lev. 27:33).

Therefore, the tithing law of the Bible prohibited cattle producers from paying money at all. They were required to give the tenth animal no matter if they wanted to keep it for some reason to themselves.

Since farmers and producers were responsible for paying the tithe, then who weren’t required to tithe? Now from this question we find that a large segment of Israelites DID NOT TITHE!

The owner of a farm had to tithe, but his hired hands were exempt. Was a hired hand required to tithe on his salary? NO, not at all! There was no law that required a tenth of one’s salary to be tithed, which was earned for their employment. Only the crops and animals of those who owned by farmers and producers were subject to the tithe. After all, the crops and the animals did not belong to the hired hand and only the increase from one’s land or animals was subject to the tithe.

So what about the “fishing industry”, the “mining industry”, the “lumber industry”, and the “construction industry” (see Leviticus 11:9–12; Deuteronomy 8:9; 1 Kings 5:7–12; & 5:13–18), did they pay tithes? Did the workers in these industries pay tithes?

So what about all the other industries not mentioned, who were involved in weaving, handicrafts, or from any form of manufacturing or merchandising. They were also exempted from tithing, including the military, government workers, and postmen. Now all the tithes that are used by church leaders to badger or berate believers of the New Testament are the tithes received by the Levites from the farmers and producers, which was given to the Priests, and the Priests themselves were totally exempt from paying any tithe.

So, why all the false teaching that are thrown at workers, and unemployed when the welfare system on the modern world tax system covers the basic needs that are similar to tithing.

As per HIS WORD we give with a grateful heart!
 
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I can understand if someone is struggling to give a tithe because they can't even pay their bills, or they don't like how a church is spending it, but to totally go against tithes just blows my mind.

Not everyone is able to work, and that money can do a lot of good for the community if used properly.
Common sense should tell you this.

What are you going to do with that 10%? Spend it on yourself???
I mean, if your needs are met, then give 10% to help those who are in need.............because the time will probably come that you or someone in your family will need money.
 
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or they don't like how a church is spending it

This is not a reason to not tithe. When you give, you give up all rights to what is done with what you have given. Other wise you are 'buying' something in your own mind. That is not giving to God.
 
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