Any one care to take a swing at this?

Washington · May 15, 2009

by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009

"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13).

. . . it is the Bible that tells us that God will uphold the future as He has the past (Genesis 8:22). All science depends upon such uniformity. "

source

So if I read this correctly, if the Bible, a book, was not the word of god but simply a concocted mythology, we would have no logic (A + B = C). Nature would not have any uniformity(?) what so ever; and everyone would be morally bankrupt. Doesn't sound good no matter how you slice it.

PreachersWife2004 · May 15, 2009

That's putting a bit too much emphasis on the bible for my comfort level.

Caitlin.ann · May 15, 2009

Washington said:
by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009

"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13).

. . . it is the Bible that tells us that God will uphold the future as He has the past (Genesis 8:22). All science depends upon such uniformity. "

source

So if I read this correctly, if the Bible, a book, was not the word of god but simply a concocted mythology, we would have no logic (A + B = C). Nature would not have any uniformity(?) what so ever; and everyone would be morally bankrupt. Doesn't sound good no matter how you slice it.

I can't fathom that logic. People are a product of their times, not the Bible. People had moral codes before the Bible, pagan tribes had moral codes. The Bible got its moral codes from various earlier pagan and abrahamic traditions so to chalk morals up to the Bible alone is rather silly and short sighted.

Tinker Grey · May 15, 2009

Sounds like the "assuming the consequent" fallacy.

tcampen · May 15, 2009

Why did humanity survive for 250,000 years before the bible was written?

beechy · May 15, 2009

The OP excerpt is a series of conclusory statements without any logic or explanation as to why we should accept them as true. So I think the "argument" can be dismissed as concisely as it is presented.

gwenmead · May 15, 2009

I think it's kind of funny that the source in question comments so authoritatively on logic and its ultimate source, yet doesn't see the logical fallacy in his own first sentence.

Absurdities like this make me glad to be alive.

lawtonfogle · May 15, 2009

Washington said:
by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009
"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13).

. . . it is the Bible that tells us that God will uphold the future as He has the past (Genesis 8:22). All science depends upon such uniformity. "

source

So if I read this correctly, if the Bible, a book, was not the word of god but simply a concocted mythology, we would have no logic (A + B = C). Nature would not have any uniformity(?) what so ever; and everyone would be morally bankrupt. Doesn't sound good no matter how you slice it.

Please excuse me while I clean my brains off the walls.

*scrape*

*scrape*

*scrape*

gnomon · May 15, 2009

Washington said:
by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009

The PhD astrophysics listed under his picture actually frightens me.

Bombila · May 15, 2009

A search only turns up this fellow as an astrophysicist when his name appears with AIG or WND. I'd be surprised if he actually exists.

FG21 · May 15, 2009

YAWN. Humans have had basically the same moral code since recorded time. And before. Maybe because God created us but hey, whatever ya think.

Maybe you should come out swinging REALLY hard with the ole "more people have been killed by religion than by anything else, I mean, man, look at the Crusades".

I mean really, no one could possibly know that anthropologists have found the same moral code in all societies and Pol Pot the big ole atheist Communist killed masses more, right?? Yeahhhhhh mannnnn...

Pardon the sarcasm.

lawtonfogle · May 15, 2009

FG21 said:
YAWN. Humans have had basically the same moral code since recorded time. And before. Maybe because God created us but hey, whatever ya think.

Maybe you should come out swinging REALLY hard with the ole "more people have been killed by religion than by anything else, I mean, man, look at the Crusades".

I mean really, no one could possibly know that anthropologists have found the same moral code in all societies and Pol Pot the big ole atheist Communist killed masses more, right?? Yeahhhhhh mannnnn...

Pardon the sarcasm.

Maybe my filters are still broken by the OP, but what is sarcasm here? All of it?

Caitlin.ann · May 15, 2009

FG21 said:
YAWN. Humans have had basically the same moral code since recorded time. And before. Maybe because God created us but hey, whatever ya think.

Maybe you should come out swinging REALLY hard with the ole "more people have been killed by religion than by anything else, I mean, man, look at the Crusades".

I mean really, no one could possibly know that anthropologists have found the same moral code in all societies and Pol Pot the big ole atheist Communist killed masses more, right?? Yeahhhhhh mannnnn...

Pardon the sarcasm.

Pol Pot's issue had to do with a hatred of western more advanced civilizations. He wanted a return to agrarian society and he was obviously mentally unstable..that was Pol Pot's issue, not atheism.

ragarth · May 15, 2009

Washington said:
by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009

"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13).

. . . it is the Bible that tells us that God will uphold the future as He has the past (Genesis 8:22). All science depends upon such uniformity. "

source

So if I read this correctly, if the Bible, a book, was not the word of god but simply a concocted mythology, we would have no logic (A + B = C). Nature would not have any uniformity(?) what so ever; and everyone would be morally bankrupt. Doesn't sound good no matter how you slice it.

Them crazy greeks, pretending to develop logic when they didn't have the bible. Let us all point at the grecians of old and giggle mercilessly.

Washington · May 15, 2009

gnomon said:
The PhD astrophysics listed under his picture actually frightens me.

If your fears are grounded in his ability to do serious astrophysics, breath easy. Apparently he has abandoned such pursuits in favor of less demanding and more fanciful enterprises. From Creationwiki:

"Dr. Jason Lisle continues to give lectures on why people should believe in the Bible today as a fulltime speaker and researcher for Answers in Genesis."

source

Nathan45 · May 15, 2009

FG21 said:
YAWN. Humans have had basically the same moral code since recorded time. And before. Maybe because God created us but hey, whatever ya think.

Maybe you should come out swinging REALLY hard with the ole "more people have been killed by religion than by anything else, I mean, man, look at the Crusades".

I mean really, no one could possibly know that anthropologists have found the same moral code in all societies and Pol Pot the big ole atheist Communist killed masses more, right?? Yeahhhhhh mannnnn...

Pardon the sarcasm.

that was totally random.

and this snip is LOL:

anthropologists have found the same moral code in all societies and Pol Pot the big ole atheist Communist killed ...

I guess cambodia doesn't count as "all societies"

beechy · May 15, 2009

Nathan45 said:
that was totally random.

and this snip is LOL:

I guess cambodia doesn't count as "all societies"

Totally random ...LOL -- I read it 3 times and thought maybe I was just tired or something.

Braunwyn · May 16, 2009

AIG says he was involved in a CNN debate with another scientist. I found mention of this debate in her wiki bio (the other scientist) but his wiki bio has been deleted. I've had little luck finding the CNN debate (hoping someone has a link).

Washington · May 16, 2009

Braunwyn said:
AIG says he was involved in a CNN debate with another scientist. I found mention of this debate in her wiki bio (the other scientist) but his wiki bio has been deleted. I've had little luck finding the CNN debate (hoping someone has a link).

HERE Is a transcript of the interview.

Braunwyn · May 16, 2009

Washington said:
HERE Is a transcript of the interview.

I saw the same on AIG and figured it was quote mined. It seems a bit too short to be a debate and there isn't any science to be found. I was hoping for more, but maybe that's all it amounted to.

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