On the swine flu [NO DEBATE]

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heron

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Perhaps we can come up with special designs for praise and worship teams?
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there is a documented case of plague in pigs recorded in the talmud - useless fact!!!...p.s. here is the reference Babylonian Talmud, tractate Ta'anith, 21b.
Only useless if we ignore it. Only recently have we heard warnings about pig farms. Up until the Chinese incidents, people just suspected the unclean warning meant trichinosis.

Thanks for the reference.


Hype the swine flue into a crisis and you have reason to push through the national healthcare this administration wants.
Doubles as a convenient reason for border closing too.
 
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at least my comment involved the words 'plague' and 'swine'...



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p.s. have you actually read the Zohar.... I haven't however I can tell you that the dominant english translation was co-translated by a Messianic Jew (who also would have been familiar with the talmud).

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I scrape over an online version of the Zohar, looking for comments on various topics, 1) to get brief familliarization with so-called "Jewish" mindsets with which Christians usually aren't aware, and 2) to investigate exactly where so-called "Christian" theologies and pop-terms, which cannot be found in Scripture, actually come from. Haven't read it all the way through, although if I had it on CD I would start running through it on my daily commute in a heartbeat.

But to be fair, while I believe the Zohar is more skitzophrenic, hateful, and illegitimate than the Talmud is, we must also understand any bias involved with its critics as we would openly point out among the Bible's critics. But on the other hand I've found that most circles don't allow one to present a fair account of anything. Being fair usually results in one's opinion being percieved as weak.

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I remember way back when I was in the AirForce and the swine flu was moving thru. I didnt realize it could recycle. anyway that was the 70's and the military in it's infinite wisdom to protect national security mandated that all military members take the swine flu vacine. Over 170 died from the shot and I spent a very uncomfortable 12 hrs shivering, shaking, sweating, and not being able to move with a high fever.

I did live however. I hope any vaccine isnt like that again.

and if it happens to someone else its ok to call it political. If it happens to you or yours I doubt anyone would say that.
 
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Over 170 died from the shot and I spent a very uncomfortable 12 hrs shivering, shaking, sweating, and not being able to move with a high fever.
How draining. The old vaccine-- that's good to know.

It's an important time to find ways to build up one's own immune system, so that we're less dependent on trusting a vaccine. Many common spices are good for helping the body fight infections -- hot pepper, garlic, onion, oregano... not enough to kill a high fever, but helpful in combination.

ANTIMICROBIAL EFFECTS OF SPICES AND HERBS

Keeping up on sleep. Not running ourselves ragged. Taking off shoes before coming in the house. Washing surfaces and hands.


if it happens to someone else its ok to call it political.
Imagine how painful it is to lose someone who was healthy a few days before! But being sensitive does not need to be separated from finding corruption.
 
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i'm sorry to inform you guys that this is in fact a VERY big deal for a number of reasons:

Firstly, this is not "just the flu", this targets HEALTHY ppl, not the old, or the young, or the ill. Reuters AlertNet - Mexicans take swine flu lightly on U.S. border

I also find it ironic that congress is passing a nationalized healthcare bill today, on the heels of this "pandemic." (Have you called your congressman to tell him your thoughts on nationalized medicine?)

i would seriously consider any vaccine for this thing suspect, seeing as how we had vets in '91 given "bio-chem" shots, in case of saddamm's scuds firing, only to come home worse off when they left. (and no scuds were ever fired btw on us troops.)

so what exactly were they injected with?

i'm not sounding any alarms yet, but IF this picks up, and they develop a vaccine "in record time", i would SERIOUSLY pray about it before i took it.
 
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and if it happens to someone else its ok to call it political. If it happens to you or yours I doubt anyone would say that.

Exactly.
But what do you expect from people who care more about their cable tv than they do about people outside of their circle.
 
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i'm sorry to inform you guys that this is in fact a VERY big deal for a number of reasons:

Firstly, this is not "just the flu", this targets HEALTHY ppl, not the old, or the young, or the ill. Reuters AlertNet - Mexicans take swine flu lightly on U.S. border

I also find it ironic that congress is passing a nationalized healthcare bill today, on the heels of this "pandemic." (Have you called your congressman to tell him your thoughts on nationalized medicine?)

i would seriously consider any vaccine for this thing suspect, seeing as how we had vets in '91 given "bio-chem" shots, in case of saddamm's scuds firing, only to come home worse off when they left. (and no scuds were ever fired btw on us troops.)

so what exactly were they injected with?

i'm not sounding any alarms yet, but IF this picks up, and they develop a vaccine "in record time", i would SERIOUSLY pray about it before i took it.

Yeah, and it's possible this is why they want to hype it up and get us worried about the fact that it's not "just the flu"...

Scare us into thinking that it's going to kill everyone who's healthy ("you have no hope, you have no defenses, this disease targets the strong"
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That way we'll be willing (even begging) to take a vaccine that hasn't been properly tested - one that may be suspect in other ways.

That's why I say, don't buy into the hype in the first place. Even if it may be a bit different than the "regular" flu - it's still just the flu.

And God is still in control.


Side note: I'm being strongly reminded of the X-Files right now... Small pox vaccinations beings used as a cover for collecting and cataloging everyone's DNA and then creating an alien-human hybrid.
 
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Hi,
I don't usually post over here, but thought I'd put in my .02 about this.
I think this is cause for some degree of concern and taking reasonable precautions. I don't think we really know yet how all this is going to play out, how much is "hype" etc. I think we, as Christians, do need to be diligent about praying for this situation, but not get into panic and fear. :groupray: I agree that in the last days, if we indeed are in the last days, we probably will see more in the form of plagues etc. I really feel that this is an opportunity to trust the Lord and demonstrate peace to people who don't know the Lord. I know some are already pretty on edge about all this.
 
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Precautions can work wonders!

Coughs and sneezes spread diseases! Use a hanky.

And if anyone sneezes in your face then banjo the weasel^_^


Lis!!! I never expected to ever heare you say that!! It was funny however!

Might make a neat bumper sticker... Banjo the weasels! :D
 
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It's not that this is new as far as plagues on the earth, or it wouldn't
have been written as possible happenings way back in the 91st Psalm. Now how
much do we believe this conveys the Lords will towards us, so we can
have peace about it? I'm not suggesting that we stand in front of peoples sneezes
or coughings, but since it's air born anyway, through a sneeze or cough you didn't see happen,
these words in Psalms are a comfort.
 
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