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I'm working on this project, and it involves creating a rite for the closing of a church.
So for part of this you have to pick the passages to be read, and I was curious, if you were the leader in a church on its final Sunday what would your read to the parish. OR flipside, if you're sitting in the pew, what would you want read to you?
Below are some passages I thought about for various reasons: final exortations, notions of hope, trusting in God, Christ at the center not the physical space, and so on. Here are what I have, I would welcome comments on these passages or other ones that come to mind.
Isaiah 49:1-6
Jeremiah 31:1-15
Numbers 6:22-27
Psalm 20:1-8
Psalm 42
Matthew 28:16-20
Matthew 6:25-34
John 4:1-26
John 14.1-4
Luke 2:21-32
Acts 8:1b-8
1 Thessalonians 5:12-24
1 Peter 1:1-9
Hebrews 9:11-15
Thanks for all your input and thoughts.
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Closing of a church? Interesting. I don't think I've ever been to a service like that. I would think that the the whole theme around the closing is "WHY?". What is the reason behind the church not being a church? Decommissioned through the synod? Selling? Going broke? Bad attendance? Can't get a pastor? I would think the passages would reflect the situation.
 
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Actually, I think d.t.k. has the better approach: don't focus on the negative - build up the positive and encourage. The past is the past and what's done is done: move ahead.

I'll see if I can't do the reading this weekend and offer an opinion.
 
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Hi doulos,

I'm guessing you might get more responses if you print the text of the Scriptures you're thinking about using in the post (or a series of posts). I think some of us might be too lazy (or too tired!) to to look them all up! :)
Good thinking
 
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Isaiah 49:1-6, This exortation of the Suffering Servant was first spoken to Israel, as a comfort to those in exile, I thought these words could offer some purpose, hope, and sense of direction and being:

Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name. 2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me; he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver. 3 He said to me, "You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor." 4 But I said, "I have labored to no purpose; I have spent my strength in vain and for nothing. Yet what is due me is in the LORD's hand, and my reward is with my God." 5 And now the LORD says—he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength- 6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."

Jeremiah 31:1-14, again an exhortation to the remnant of Israel. Here God assures them of his Salvation and that while they may feel in darkness they will one day rejoice again. This passage I though about how the people might be feeling down and silent as if standing upon the rivers of Babylon and these words could offer some encouragement/hope:

1 "At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people." 2 This is what the LORD says: "The people who survive the sword will find favor in the desert; I will come to give rest to Israel." 3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness. 4 I will build you up again and you will be rebuilt, O Virgin Israel. Again you will take up your tambourines and go out to dance with the joyful. 5 Again you will plant vineyards on the hills of Samaria; the farmers will plant them and enjoy their fruit. 6 There will be a day when watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim, 'Come, let us go up to Zion, to the LORD our God.' " 7 This is what the LORD says: "Sing with joy for Jacob; shout for the foremost of the nations. Make your praises heard, and say, 'O LORD, save your people, the remnant of Israel.' 8 See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth. Among them will be the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor; a great throng will return. 9 They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel's father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son. 10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.' 11 For the LORD will ransom Jacob and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they. 12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion; they will rejoice in the bounty of the LORD—the grain, the new wine and the oil, the young of the flocks and herds. They will be like a well-watered garden, and they will sorrow no more. 13 Then maidens will dance and be glad, young men and old as well. I will turn their mourning into gladness; I will give them comfort and joy instead of sorrow. 14 I will satisfy the priests with abundance, and my people will be filled with my bounty," declares the LORD.
 
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Numbers 6:22-27, The Aaronic blessing, certainly a fine passage for a service that is ultimately not simply a closing, but a sending.

22 The LORD said to Moses, 23 "Tell Aaron and his sons, 'This is how you are to bless the Israelites. Say to them: 24 " ' "The LORD bless you and keep you; 25 the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; 26 the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace." ' 27 "So they will put my name on the Israelites, and I will bless them."

Psalm 20:1-8, This Corronation Psalm offers a blessing (for a king), and like the Aaronic blessing offers a final word of blessing over the people:

1 May the LORD answer you when you are in distress; may the name of the God of Jacob protect you. 2 May he send you help from the sanctuary and grant you support from Zion. 3 May he remember all your sacrifices and accept your burnt offerings. Selah 4 May he give you the desire of your heart and make all your plans succeed. 5 We will shout for joy when you are victorious and will lift up our banners in the name of our God. May the LORD grant all your requests. 6 Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed; he answers him from his holy heaven with the saving power of his right hand. 7 Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God. 8 They are brought to their knees and fall, but we rise up and stand firm.

Psalm 42, a Lament over feeling far from God's presence and in distress away from his house. A cry that the people could share, yet at the same time speaking to them "Put your hope in God"

As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, O God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God. When can I go and meet with God? 3 My tears have been my food day and night, while men say to me all day long, "Where is your God?" 4 These things I remember as I pour out my soul: how I used to go with the multitude, leading the procession to the house of God, with shouts of joy and thanksgiving among the festive throng. 5 Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and 6 my God. My soul is downcast within me; therefore I will remember you from the land of the Jordan, the heights of Hermon—from Mount Mizar. 7 Deep calls to deep in the roar of your waterfalls; all your waves and breakers have swept over me. 8 By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me— a prayer to the God of my life. 9 I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?" 10 My bones suffer mortal agony as my foes taunt me, saying to me all day long, "Where is your God?" 11 Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God.
 
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Matthew 6:25-34, a great text (actually one of my wedding texts) about not worrying about tomorrow, but seek first God's kingdom, knowing that God will preserve you and take care of you. For a community that is not sure about what tomorrow holds, who leave for new faith communities I thought this assurance to be very fitting:

25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matthew 28: 16-20, the great commission, sending the people out with mission and renewed purpose followed with that great promise "I am with you always".

16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

John 4:4-26, In this dialogue with the woman at the well Jesus fortells of a day where worship is not centered in temples or on mountains but within the heart. A message to help people transition away from the building and remind them that while it was a place of worship, it was not THE place of worship, but rather they take that with them:

4Now he had to go through Samaria. 5So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6Jacob's well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about the sixth hour. 7When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, "Will you give me a drink?" 8(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.) 9The Samaritan woman said to him, "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)10Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water." 11"Sir," the woman said, "you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?" 13Jesus answered, "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life." 15The woman said to him, "Sir, give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water." 16He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back." 17"I have no husband," she replied. Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true." 19"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." 21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." 25The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us." 26Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

John 14.1-4, Jesus says to not be troubled, and he tells them that he has a room in heaven for them, prepared! For people losing their earthly space what comfort there is in still maintaining a heavenly one:

1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going."
 
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Luke 2:21-32, Simeon's tale, a tale that acknowledges that God had a purpose there and it is ok to move on. Expressing joy in encountering the Christ and a dismissal in peace.

21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived. 22When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord"), 24and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: "a pair of doves or two young pigeons." 25Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: 29"Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace. 30For my eyes have seen your salvation, 31which you have prepared in the sight of all people, 32a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel."

Acts 8:1b-8, The scattering of the church in Jerusalem. This passage goes on to tell of Philips work following the "diaspora" giving a new purpose and sense of mission and God's will and vision with the scattering of the community:

On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. 3But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison. 4Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. 5Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. 6When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. 7With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. 8So there was great joy in that city.

1 Thessalonians 5:12-24, Paul's final instructions to the church are so finely worded I could not think of a better way to call for continued discipleship as final instructions to a parish:

12Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you. 13Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. 14And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else. 16Be joyful always; 17pray continually; 18give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 19Do not put out the Spirit's fire; 20do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil. 23May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.24The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.

Hebrew 9:11-15, The writer's assertion that Christ is the tabernacle, finer than any man-made object. He is God's presence for us, not concealed but revealed. Here this text helps to move the people away from the building and focus on Christ as the centerpiece of faith and the source of life.

11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! 15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

And finally, 1 Peter 1:1-9, a message to the dispersed to cling to faith and to Christ, and it will be spoken then to a new community about to be dispersed reminding them of the hope that they have, Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. 3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

I know it is a lot of texts and I thank you for your time and hope you can give input on them and any other texts you think might also speak well to a dispersing community.
 
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The Church Universal never closes. Some local outlets however suffer transitions now and then.

Have the verse in my head playing now, "even while steeples are falling"

Have a good closing. BTW, this world is passing away. Maybe this church closing is more of a sign of that fact than anyother.

Even the Temple was destroyed.

I would use Jesus Temple body reference. Tear it down and in three days it will rise again.

Peace,

Cos
 
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There are different reasons why a church would close: financial, low membership, merger with another congregation, moving into a new building, relocation to another town or area...

There is a Rite of Closing a Congregation in the LSB Agenda. It is done at the end of the last regular Divine Service held in that building.
 
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I like the passages from Matthew 6, Matthew 28, and I Peter 1 (in no particular order).

I think that if you go with the OT passages about the exile, you will lose some people. Unless the congregation knows it's OT history well, many people may not immediately relate to the people of Israel's exhilic plight.
 
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There are different reasons why a church would close: financial, low membership, merger with another congregation, moving into a new building, relocation to another town or area...

There is a Rite of Closing a Congregation in the LSB Agenda. It is done at the end of the last regular Divine Service held in that building.

For clarification, this case study's background involves financial and low membership issues.
That's how we are planning this one, incorporation into the final Sunday service with particular emphasis at the sending rite. I did not know that there is material out on this. Would you be willing to burden yourself with copying some key parts down or presenting a link that might show some of it. If there is any relevant copyright info that would be great too. If you could do that I would really appreciate it.
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The Church Universal never closes. Some local outlets however suffer transitions now and then.

Have the verse in my head playing now, "even while steeples are falling"

Have a good closing. BTW, this world is passing away. Maybe this church closing is more of a sign of that fact than anyother.

Even the Temple was destroyed.

I would use Jesus Temple body reference. Tear it down and in three days it will rise again.

Peace,

Cos

The hymn you are thinking of "Built on a Rock" has been selected as a possibility within the rite for exactly that reason.

Built on a rock the church shall stand, even when steeples are falling;
crumbled have spires in every land, bells still are chiming and calling--
calling the young and old to rest, calling the souls of those distressed,
longing for life everlasting.

Surely, in temples made with hands God the most high is not dwelling--
high in the heav'ns his temple stands, all earthly temples excelling.
Yet God who dwells in heav'n above deigns to abide with us in love,
Making our bodies his temple.

Christ builds a house of living stones: we are his own habitation;
he fills our hearts, his humble thrones, granting us life and salvation.
Where two or three will seek his face, he in their midst will show his grace,
blessings upon them bestowing.

Yet in this house, an earthly frame, Jesus the children is blessing;
hither we come to praise his name, faith in our Savior confessing.
Jesus to us his Spirit sent, making with us his covenant,
granting his children the kingdom.

I am unsure of the history of this hymn (if anyone is feel free to join in) but wow, it is as if it were written for this service. That's the way the Spirit sings.
Pax
 
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I like the passages from Matthew 6, Matthew 28, and I Peter 1 (in no particular order).

I think that if you go with the OT passages about the exile, you will lose some people. Unless the congregation knows it's OT history well, many people may not immediately relate to the people of Israel's exhilic plight.

good point, thanks.
 
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I wanted to thank everyone for their help with this project. I especially thank DaRev for sending me those resources from the occasional services. All your input was very helpful.
pax vombiscum
 
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