Iowa Threatens Marry "Gays" or Else

Kharak · Apr 26, 2009

BernieEOD said:
For those who refuse to sign on to an abonination, they have my support.

This is not a theocracy, it is a republic and they are servants. IF they fail in their duties, they should not expect misplaced sympathy. The country is not driven by God's laws, they are driven by the Constitutional guarantees of liberty. I find it absolutely ridiculous that the opponents of big government are typically those trying to legislate morality. The enemy is not big government, it's the writhing mass of fools attempting to deny the liberty of our homosexual brethren.

"Teh gays" can fight in our military, but they can't be granted something as menial as a contract? Sickening. I have nothing but contempt for these soon-to-be-out-of-work individuals.

"Those who will not serve on the battlefield, will serve on the unemployment line!"

Nooj · Apr 27, 2009

jsn112 said:
So, God has only 10 Commandments, huh? You're right. You can thow the rest of the Bible out.

Why not? You do with all the other commandments.

jsn112 · Apr 27, 2009

CRAZYWOMAN said:
Where in the bible does it say to deny people of free will.Also I thought the bible was writen for his people,Not those that don't believe or care for his word.

I am assumming you have never read the Bible because, otherwise, if you did your reading comprehension is lacking. I have never said people shouldn't have free-will. In fact, God wants those who sins to continue sinning, otherwise, if they repent they would be saved. How's that for free-will? That's God's way of daring the unrepenting sinners to a challenge to see who will have the last laugh. That is just like parents daring their know-it-all teenagers to see who's wiser.

Maren · Apr 27, 2009

BernieEOD said:
Those who do not believe or care for his word are condemmed. It is the believers job to call upon them to repent. And thus, not for a believer to assure an unbeliever his or her sin is ok. The call to repent is painfull to those who are in rebellion but it will be sounded. For those who refuse to sign on to an abonination, they have my support.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is a gay out there in the United States that does not understand that most Christians think he (or she) is sinning? I'm sorry, continually pointing out one particular sin (and sometimes it seems like homosexuality is the only sin being singled out by Christians outside of their churches) is not "calling upon them to repent" but instead ensuring that these "sinners" don't have any interest to listen to what you say. If you wonder what many gays have against Christians, this is exactly it, that so many "Christians" feel compelled to always point out the gay's sins.

And since you approve of those who refuse to process the paperwork for gay marriages in Iowa, would you feel the same about a Mormon that refused to process your paperwork to marry (since their first prophet said your church is an abomination)? Especially if there were no one else in the office that does the paperwork, essentially keeping you from getting married?

jsn112 · Apr 27, 2009

Nooj said:
Why not? You do with all the other commandments.

Well what about other commandments, Mr. atheist?

jsn112 · Apr 27, 2009

Maren said:
Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is a gay out there in the United States that does not understand that most Christians think he (or she) is sinning? I'm sorry, continually pointing out one particular sin (and sometimes it seems like homosexuality is the only sin being singled out by Christians outside of their churches) is not "calling upon them to repent" but instead ensuring that these "sinners" don't have any interest to listen to what you say. If you wonder what many gays have against Christians, this is exactly it, that so many "Christians" feel compelled to always point out the gay's sins.

And since you approve of those who refuse to process the paperwork for gay marriages in Iowa, would you feel the same about a Mormon that refused to process your paperwork to marry (since their first prophet said your church is an abomination)? Especially if there were no one else in the office that does the paperwork, essentially keeping you from getting married?

Being gay is one thing, but pushing gay agenda is another. Gay marriage is an unwelcome agenda. And you are peddling it.

Maren · Apr 27, 2009

jsn112 said:
Being gay is one thing, but pushing gay agenda is another. Gay marriage is an unwelcome agenda. And you are peddling it.

Not sure your point here. Is this the opposite of what preacherswife above was complaining about, that you are saying I have no right to "push an agenda" you find unwelcome? Tell me, why do you believe your beliefs should trump the beliefs of the gay couple looking to marry? And if your beliefs trump the beliefs of gays, why shouldn't they also trump the beliefs of others that believe differently from you?

Personally, I am a believer in the idea that while I might find your beliefs the most unwelcome I've ever heard, I'll defend to the death your right to "peddle" them. In fact, it is a part of the reason I served in the US military.

Edit: Reading back I think I should probably clarify, I don't mean to say that your beliefs are the most unwelcome I've ever heard, merely stating that is the idea (Freedom of Speech) that I believe in defending.

Kharak · Apr 27, 2009

jsn112 said:
Being gay is one thing, but pushing gay agenda is another. Gay marriage is an unwelcome agenda. And you are peddling it.

You are peddling the Heterosexual-Marriage Agenda on to the rest of us, prepare for war!

ACougar · Apr 27, 2009

It's not the marriage agenda that is offensive it's the use of government to enforce religious restrictions on people. A sinister example of the state enforcing one religions rules on all it's citizens.

Kharak said:
You are peddling the Heterosexual-Marriage Agenda on to the rest of us, prepare for war!

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Apr 27, 2009

jsn112 said:
I am assumming you have never read the Bible because, otherwise, if you did your reading comprehension is lacking. I have never said people shouldn't have free-will. In fact, God wants those who sins to continue sinning, otherwise, if they repent they would be saved. How's that for free-will? That's God's way of daring the unrepenting sinners to a challenge to see who will have the last laugh. That is just like parents daring their know-it-all teenagers to see who's wiser.

So if you deny Gay people the right to get married then you deny them free will.

craigerNY · Apr 27, 2009

jsn112 said:
Being gay is one thing, but pushing gay agenda is another. Gay marriage is an unwelcome agenda. And you are peddling it.

How is this being pushed on you?

You understand that this legislation does not force you or anyone else to marry someone of your own gender. You still have the ability to marry or to not marry. You still have the ability to marry someone of the opposite sex that consents to said marriage.

AirPo · Apr 27, 2009

BernieEOD said:
Those who do not believe or care for his word are condemmed. It is the believers job to call upon them to repent. And thus, not for a believer to assure an unbeliever his or her sin is ok. The call to repent is painfull to those who are in rebellion but it will be sounded. For those who refuse to sign on to an abonination, they have my support.

Of course unbelievers don't believe that.

flicka · Apr 27, 2009

Christians especially should embrace the idea of gay marriage. They like to be "in the world but not OF the world" and this will just make things so much easier. They will still have the right to their views and beliefs and the more those views and beliefs conflict with the laws of society the more seperate from the world they can be.

Futuwwa · Apr 27, 2009

Should atheist civil servants be allowed to refuse to process the registration of congregations and thus deprive them of whatever perks such registration might bring in that jurisdiction (such as tax exemption or right to conduct marriages)?

jayem · Apr 27, 2009

Iowa same sex couples are already being married.

Iowa sees first gay marriages - Life- msnbc.com

For some people, I guess that's Trouble in River City. With a capital T, which rhymes with G, which stands for Gay.

BernieEOD · Apr 27, 2009

flicka said:
Christians especially should embrace the idea of gay marriage. They like to be "in the world but not OF the world" and this will just make things so much easier. They will still have the right to their views and beliefs and the more those views and beliefs conflict with the laws of society the more seperate from the world they can be.

Christian obey the word of God and thus, call people out of thier sin, not bless them in sin.

Maren · Apr 27, 2009

jayem said:
Iowa same sex couples are already being married.

Iowa sees first gay marriages - Life- msnbc.com

For some people, I guess that's Trouble in River City. With a capital T, which rhymes with G, which stands for Gay.

I was interested to see that they appear to have been married by a Christian pastor. I also thought it interesting in the story, which is from the AP, the title of pastor was not capitalized (not sure if it was a mistake, if they were making the point about a "pastor" that would marry a gay couple, or a bias against Christians). And this was an AP mistake that MSNBC failed to catch as you can see the same mistake in the article in other news sources. It is interesting even One News Now (a Christian news service) failed to catch this mistake.

Further, in this video, from KCCI-TV in Des Moines, at least one Christian group (Family Policy Center) admits they were attempting to persuade recorders from processing the licenses. Also, there are no reports of recorders refusing to process marriage applications.

flicka · Apr 27, 2009

BernieEOD said:
Christian obey the word of God and thus, call people out of thier sin, not bless them in sin.

Nobody is asking you to bless them. The "world" and it's laws are not part of your religion which is why you must be seperate from it, not impose your views on it.

jsn112 · Apr 27, 2009

Polycarp1 said:
Whatever it is that you're worshipping, if it meets that description, I sincerely hope you come to know Jesus Christ, His loving Father, and the Holy Spirit whom they sent.

And I will pray for you to know God's Word better and not decieve others by twising His Word and also that you do not become part of the "world." BTW, in case you have not read or understand, God said if you take the position of leading others but deceive them, you are judged harsher than atheist and unbelievers. Did you get that? HARSHER. That's worse than atheist is going to get.

jsn112 · Apr 27, 2009

Maren said:
Not sure your point here. Is this the opposite of what preacherswife above was complaining about, that you are saying I have no right to "push an agenda" you find unwelcome? Tell me, why do you believe your beliefs should trump the beliefs of the gay couple looking to marry? And if your beliefs trump the beliefs of gays, why shouldn't they also trump the beliefs of others that believe differently from you?

Personally, I am a believer in the idea that while I might find your beliefs the most unwelcome I've ever heard, I'll defend to the death your right to "peddle" them. In fact, it is a part of the reason I served in the US military.

Edit: Reading back I think I should probably clarify, I don't mean to say that your beliefs are the most unwelcome I've ever heard, merely stating that is the idea (Freedom of Speech) that I believe in defending.

Uh because this country was founded on Judeo-Christian society, whether you want to believe it or not

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