Butting in for a moment...
I'm glad you jumped in. The more the better.
xenon said:
That is completely against the context of that verse.
I'm afraid not, proof following the Scripture you quoted and comment.
Hebrews 4:11-16 said:
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
xenon said:
It is clearly talking about "thoughts and intents of the heart", not physical infirmities. All of chapter 4 is about running the race to enter His rest. Later on, it says, Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us. (Hebrews 12:1) He is clearly talking about running the race against sin, not against physical infirmity.
Furthermore, since we're using Strong's Numbers here...
G769
From G772; feebleness (of body or mind); by implication malady; moral frailty: - disease, infirmity, sickness, weakness.
Ok, let's discuss your use of Strong's as it relates to Hebrews 4, 15.
1st)
Infirmities, Strong's # G769 has, as it's primary meaning "Feebleness of BODY or
mind. As you said above by impl MALADY; moral fraility; - disease,
infirmity, sickness, weakness. It comes from G-
772
2nd)
G-772 has as it's ONLY meaning, "weak, infirm or feeble".
The Greek word "asthenia" is a
NEGATIVE exactly as G-772 openly states. Crack open your Strong's and look right at it.
Now, the word at issue here is translated 24 times as INFIRMITY (7 times) , INFIRMITIES ( 10 times ) , SICKNESS ( 1 time ) , DISEASE ( 1 time ) & WEAKNESS ( 5 times ).
3rd)
The word "SIN" and the word "TEMPTED" must be interpreted with "INFIRMITIES" because that is the
CONTEXT.
Work out the following Scripture using your unique method.
2nd Corinthians 12 said:
and He said to me, `Sufficient for thee is My grace, for My power in infirmity is perfected;' most gladly, therefore, will I rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of the Christ may rest on me:
wherefore I am well pleased in infirmities, in damages, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses -- for Christ; for whenever I am INFIRM, then I am powerful;
Saint Paul is well pleased with his "
moral fraility"????
Hebrews 4 is talking about the failure of those who lived before Christ in their attempts to enter the rest of God (they didn't) V. 7 begs Christians to not "harden their hearts" and listen to that call TODAY.
V. 15 explicitly says that Jesus sympathises with our INFIRMITIES because,
Section in question said:
but [one] tempted in all things IN LIKE MANNER -- apart from sin;
In like manner of what? "Infirmities" is the ONLY thing there Xenon. Jesus has sympathy for our INFIRMITIES because Jesus was tempted (tested) in EVERY INFIRMITY we are, ONLY JESUS was tempted APART FROM SIN (outside of sin).
James 1 said:
Let no one say, being tempted -- `From God I am tempted,' for God is not tempted of evil, and Himself doth tempt no one,
and EACH ONE is tempted, by HIS OWN desires being led away and enticed,
afterward the desire having conceived, doth give birth to sin, and the sin
having been perfected, doth bring forth death.
A) God is not tempted of evil
B) "A PERSON" is tempted by THEIR OWN DESIRES
C) "SIN" having BEEN perfected, doth bring forth death.
Being tempted within ones self
IS SIN, it's just not
PERFECTED SIN. I've been saying all along that it is blasphemy to say Jesus was tempted within sin exactly as you and I are because that is the same thing as saying Jesus had the ability to mutate (sin).
teresaq quotes EGW said:
He took the nature of man, with all its possibilities. We have nothing to endure that He has not endured. . . . Adam had the advantage over Christ, in that when he was assailed by the tempter, none of the effects of sin were upon him. He stood in the strength of perfect manhood, possessing the full vigor of mind and body. He was surrounded with the glories of Eden, and was in daily communion with heavenly beings. It was not thus with Jesus when He entered the wilderness to cope with Satan. For four thousand years the race had been decreasing in physical strength, in mental power, in moral worth; and Christ took upon Him the infirmities of degenerate humanity. Only thus could He rescue man from the lowest depths of degradation.--Ms. 113, 1902, pp. 1, 2 (See DA 117).
Not going to work as Xenon, Ellen G White and SDA theology have identified infirmities mentioned in Hebrews 4:15 as
'moral fraility'. If Jesus was fully human the only way He would have been "tempted" is if it was something He wanted to do.
Ellen White said it was fully possible for Christ to "yeild to temptation" because, "His nature was that of man, capable of yeilding to temptation".
If it were possible for Christ to "give into" His temptation it means he wanted to do it and He was a SINNER because as James puts it, temptation within ones self is UNperfected sin.
