Underground Latter Day Saints

kiwimac said:

This passage has to do with the adoption of Christians into God. This has nothing to do with becoming Gods.

Although I will point out that some of the Old Catholic churches in line with the Orthodox teach the dogma of Theosis. Finally both a New Dawn and I have been members of the CoC, I was an elder and minister in that denomination. Perhaps we might actually know that of which we speak?

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I do not doubt you and Jenda/Dawn know what you're talking about as far as what the RLDS/CoC teach. But just because that's what you teach, doesn't mean that's what Smith had in mind.

And unless it can be shown that Smith even heard of Theosis at this time, I am left with his later "revelation" recognized by the LDS church which shows us that Smith was thinking about men becoming gods, not union with god. This "revelation" was merely a precursor to the one that followed.

So you can not only read men's minds and intents jason but can do so retroactively! What a gift.

JasonV said:

I do not doubt you and Jenda/Dawn know what you're talking about as far as what the RLDS/CoC teach. But just because that's what you teach, doesn't mean that's what Smith had in mind.

And unless it can be shown that Smith even heard of Theosis at this time, I am left with his later "revelation" recognized by the LDS church which shows us that Smith was thinking about men becoming gods, not union with god. This "revelation" was merely a precursor to the one that followed.

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This thread is not about what Joseph Smith had in mind, necessarily, when he wrote that, this thread is about what the RLDS church teaches and whether it's teaching fall in line with Biblical teachings or not.

Yes we did.

kiwimac said:

So you can not only read men's minds and intents jason but can do so retroactively! What a gift.

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It's not mind reading, it's theological development.

As for interpretation, what Smith had in mind and how the LDS and RLDS interpret his "revelations" are not necessarily the same thing. Everyone reads something into it (or out of it) as they see fit.

talitha said:

No, actually this thread is about deception on the part of the LDS/RLDS stream....... Did you read my OP?

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It is about alledged deception based on the fact that you don't know anything about the RLDS/CoC.

Because errors of doctrine are not the same as a statement of a deliberate attempt to deceive others which is what you started with. I can be as wrong as a left-hand corkscrew that does not make me a liar.

talitha said:

Why do I need to delve into RLDS/CoC doctrine? I'm not going to convert. And why (again) are you so vehemently defending them, if you see the errors and have left?

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If you are going to accuse others of not being Christian, then you'd best be sure that their doctrine supports such an accusation. That's why.

This is silly. You two former RLDS know dang good and well that Joseph Smith rejected orthodox Christianity. He rejected all claims to their authority and teachings. He rejected the Trinity, the traditional Christian Priesthood, and had to "fix" the Bible because of it's errors. RLDS may be Christians, but they are not orthodox Christians.

JasonV said:

This is silly. You two former RLDS know dang good and well that Joseph Smith rejected orthodox Christianity. He rejected all claims to their authority and teachings. He rejected the Trinity, the traditional Christian Priesthood, and had to "fix" the Bible because of it's errors. RLDS may be Christians, but they are not orthodox Christians.

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Wow...a breakthrough.

JasonV said:

This is silly. You two former RLDS know dang good and well that Joseph Smith rejected orthodox Christianity. He rejected all claims to their authority and teachings. He rejected the Trinity, the traditional Christian Priesthood, and had to "fix" the Bible because of it's errors. RLDS may be Christians, but they are not orthodox Christians.

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I also know that there is much more to the RLDS church than just Joseph Smith's teachings, most of which were rejected by his own son when the RLDS church was organized. I'm not sure what the problem is about understanding what the actual teachings of the RLDS church are so as to make a decision based on what actual fact is! I don't know how many times it has to be repeated that there are more teachings of the Campbellite movement in the RLDS church that were introduced by Sidney Rigdon than there are by Joseph Smith.

People who'd rather spread rumors than understand the truth are intriguing, for all the wrong reasons.