What is the Doctrine of Impartation?

map4 · Mar 10, 2009

Tamara224 said:
I agree with you in that we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

But some people refuse the throw out the dirty bathwater, too. Not saying you are doing that... but there are plenty of people who certainly do.

I think that a lot of modern churches, teachers and regular folk have a tendency to read the Bible and see things like "impartation" and assume they know what it means then attempt to do it with no real understand as to what is going on. This happens because we have no real understanding of the cultural or historical context of the Bible. We read into it a meaning from our perspective that was not the meaning attached to it back then.

People then pick up the practice by seeing others do it but have no idea why it is being done, it simply becomes an empty ritual or a man made tradition. And usually when that happens, I think we end up making fools of ourselves (not in a good way).

It would be nice, for once, to see P/C people study something first and then adopt the right practice of it instead of getting a harebrained idea from a wild leap of imagination when reading the Bible and practicing a scarcely supported doctrine that really accomplishes nothing for God.

We should definitely preserve the baby, but for God's sake, let's dump the dirty bathwater, already.

I completely agree with you.

JimB · Mar 12, 2009

Tamara224 said:
I agree with you in that we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

But some people refuse the throw out the dirty bathwater, too.

Thanks. Im putting that in my notable quotes file.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis

enoch son · Mar 14, 2009

Tamara224 said:
I agree with you in that we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

But some people refuse the throw out the dirty bathwater, too. Not saying you are doing that... but there are plenty of people who certainly do.

I think that a lot of modern churches, teachers and regular folk have a tendency to read the Bible and see things like "impartation" and assume they know what it means then attempt to do it with no real understand as to what is going on. This happens because we have no real understanding of the cultural or historical context of the Bible. We read into it a meaning from our perspective that was not the meaning attached to it back then.

People then pick up the practice by seeing others do it but have no idea why it is being done, it simply becomes an empty ritual or a man made tradition. And usually when that happens, I think we end up making fools of ourselves (not in a good way).

It would be nice, for once, to see P/C people study something first and then adopt the right practice of it instead of getting a harebrained idea from a wild leap of imagination when reading the Bible and practicing a scarcely supported doctrine that really accomplishes nothing for God.

We should definitely preserve the baby, but for God's sake, let's dump the dirty bathwater, already.

I have found this "bathwater" as selfwill on the part of both sides the pros and the cons. They have little or no balance just their hack out idea they have some kind of control or authority. I have found it to be "as the spirit gives the utterance". But there I go agian making not sense standing on the middle ground.

Oh-by the way Map4

hopeinGod · Mar 17, 2009

For eight very intense years, I lived among Charismatic Christians who lived along the Atlantic Ocean near and around Jacksonville Beach. Talk about extremism! From the years 1972 to 1980, the year I left, there were numerous highly emphasized doctrinal errors raised to the level of movements.

The strongest of these were the faith and sheep/shepherding movements. To this day, scores of believers continue to holdfast to these tremendously erroneous beliefs, and it has been from out of the faith movement that the newest craze, the impartation phenomenon, arose.

Just how are folks able to "hear" and give in to such baloney when the history of the Word of Faith groups has been so entirely saturated with unfulfilled promises, methodologies, wealth/kingdom building, a failure to believe in eternal salvation, and more crap than a barn stall?

Look at the foundation of these anti-intellectuals who master in spookiness, come out from among them, and be ye separate.

Dave

JimB · Mar 17, 2009

hopeinGod said:
For eight very intense years, I lived among Charismatic Christians who lived along the Atlantic Ocean near and around Jacksonville Beach. Talk about extremism! From the years 1972 to 1980, the year I left, there were numerous highly emphasized doctrinal errors raised to the level of movements.

The strongest of these were the faith and sheep/shepherding movements. To this day, scores of believers continue to holdfast to these tremendously erroneous beliefs, and it is has been from out of the faith movement that the newest craze, the impartation phenomenon, arose.

Just how are folks able to "hear" and give in to such baloney when the history of the Word of Faith groups has been so entirely saturated with unfulfilled promises, methodologies, wealth/kingdom building, a failure to believe in eternal salvation, and more crap than a barn stall?

Look at the foundation of these anti-intellectuals who master in spookiness, come out from among them, and be ye separate.

Dave

I am convinced you could tell people that they will be caught away in the tail of the next comet or that they should drink cyanide-laced Kool Aid and they would believe you and you could have a following. Too many people are just that gullible and it seems, especially in P/C ranks. There is just nothing too bizarre for some folks.

~Jim

We were made not primarily that we may love God but that God may love us. ~C.S. Lewis

Svt4Him · Mar 19, 2009

Another general comment regarding P/C's? We could say the same things about Americans. As a matter of fact, there was some interesting interviews about Americans and just what they believed on things they were passionate about (Obama being one of them) and it turns out a lot of people are gullible and it seems, especially in the states.

Found one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

And another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6r1IcY1pv0

This is why we try not to make these 'general' statements, unless of course it only is a P/C thing, not just an American thing.

NewSong · Mar 20, 2009

Jimbeaux said:
I am convinced you could tell people that they will be caught away in the tail of the next comet or that they should drink cyanide-laced Kool Aid and they would believe you and you could have a following. Too many people are just that gullible and it seems, especially in P/C ranks. There is just nothing too bizarre for some folks.

~Jim

We were made not primarily that we may love God but that God may love us. ~C.S. Lewis

We were speaking of this very thing last night in Bible Study. Our group went down the road of speaking about the false doctrine of impartation and the vulnerable people who seem to go with it. We talked of their mindlessness and just going with a leader. If they manage to live through the trauma's and come out on the other side to the real Gospel, there is a lot of anger. Anger for being disillusioned, anger at themselves for being gullible, angry at God for what someone said HE was when it clearly wasn't Him and a major trust factor. I am convinced that this was one of the deadliest doctrines I have ever seen in my lifetime or read about after hearing the experiences of others like myself. As for the cyanide-laced Koolaid, the foster daughter of the man himself was married to a pastor friend's brother and she came and spoke to us about how it all started out and how she escaped (by using her own mind). She wrote a book called "The Broken God" by Bonnie Theilman. It was originally published by David C. Cook Publishing Company (January 1, 1979). I wished everyone could hear her story. It was deadly and started out with someone who was sincere who went to dead wrong but too proud to admit it. I guess for some it is too much to admit that their leaders have deviated and they have themselves and so prefer not to look at the specifics.

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hopeinGod · Mar 20, 2009

Jimbeaux said:
I am convinced you could tell people that they will be caught away in the tail of the next comet or that they should drink cyanide-laced Kool Aid and they would believe you and you could have a following. Too many people are just that gullible and it seems, especially in P/C ranks. There is just nothing too bizarre for some folks.

~Jim

“We were made not primarily that we may love God but that God may love us. ~C.S. Lewis

Not long ago, I read an article written by one of these impartation preachers in which he insisted that God's ways are predominantly bizarre. After all, we're told that the Lord's thoughts and ways are not our own. This man went on to say that it is very possible to miss a move of God when things ridiculous and bizarre are not supported.

Dave

JimB · Mar 20, 2009

hopeinGod said:
Not long ago, I read an article written by one of these impartation preachers in which he insisted that God's ways are predominantly bizarre. After all, we're told that the Lord's thoughts and ways are not our own. This man went on to say that it is very possible to miss a move of God when things ridiculous and bizarre are not supported.

Dave

Personally, I would steer clear of this guy.

~Jim

We were made not primarily that we may love God but that God may love us. ~C.S. Lewis

gennaoanothen · Mar 22, 2009

I am listening to this preacher down there in Texas, who has delivered a message, "when a Christian falls" His name is also Jim, from a vineyard church.
it is a pretty good message, perhaps it could also apply in this situation, and the fact that Todd fell into adultrey or sin.
in the message it states;
"Christians who fall into sin are wounded", help our wounded and not shoot them.
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/VineyardChurchNacogdoches

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