US endorses UN gay rights text

I am just in awe that a rational adult could actually oppose this...

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CCGirl said:

Looks like the USA is gaining some of its respect back! Good move for Obama.


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Wednesday formally endorsed a U.N. statement calling for the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality, a measure that former President George W. Bush had refused to sign.


The move was the administration's latest in reversing Bush-era decisions that have been heavily criticized by human rights and other groups. The United States was the only western nation not to sign onto the declaration when it came up at the U.N. General Assembly in December.


"The United States supports the U.N.'s statement on human rights, sexual orientation and gender identity and is pleased to join the other 66 U.N. member states who have declared their support of the statement," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood.

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Yay! I like Obama. All we need now is for him to ratify Kyoto...

Great news.

Maybe it is a sign that the US is finally going to work towards equality and justice for all.

Like I said in news and current events, it's a nice symbolic step, but I'm still skeptical of Obama and his pandering to the public with his soft gay rights stances.

He needs to stop dabbling in civil unions and just endorse marriage.

So I wonder, CCGirl, if you can name any 5 homosexuals executed by the Palestinians for the crime of homosexuality in the last couple years, and tell us what you are doing about it?

KarateCowboy said:

So I wonder, CCGirl, if you can name any 5 homosexuals executed by the Palestinians for the crime of homosexuality in the last couple years, and tell us what you are doing about it?

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Can you name 10 of the hundreds if not thousands of children who died this week from hunger?

Can you name a singly family (comprising children in no higher than primary school) our very own justice system has left homeless?

Can you tell us what the point to asking this was?

lawtonfogle said:

Can you name 10 of the hundreds if not thousands of children who died this week from hunger?

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No.

Can you name a singly family (comprising children in no higher than primary school) our very own justice system has left homeless?

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No.

Can you tell us what the point to asking this was?

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Yes.

It is bitterly ironic that we have the Middle East where most of these laws that CCGirl is protesting exist. I mean Muslim countries. Nations like Palestine have laws that execute homosexuals, stone women to death for being raped, and throw them in jail for being in a house with a man they are not married to or related to. These are the nations that CCGirl, and so many deep into the hinterland of the extreme Left support. Yet Israel, which not only lets women show their ankles but lets homosexuals serve in the military are in their eyes "oppressors". It really shows how Leftism is the ideology of turning reality on its head.

KarateCowboy said:

No.
No.
Yes.

It is bitterly ironic that we have the Middle East where most of these laws that CCGirl is protesting exist. I mean Muslim countries. Nations like Palestine have laws that execute homosexuals, stone women to death for being raped, and throw them in jail for being in a house with a man they are not married to or related to. These are the nations that CCGirl, and so many deep into the hinterland of the extreme Left support. Yet Israel, which not only lets women show their ankles but lets homosexuals serve in the military are in their eyes "oppressors". It really shows how Leftism is the ideology of turning reality on its head.

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Woah, I'm on "the left" side of the aisle, but I certainly do not support Palestine over Israel.

KarateCowboy said:

No.
No.
Yes.

It is bitterly ironic that we have the Middle East where most of these laws that CCGirl is protesting exist. I mean Muslim countries. Nations like Palestine have laws that execute homosexuals, stone women to death for being raped, and throw them in jail for being in a house with a man they are not married to or related to. These are the nations that CCGirl, and so many deep into the hinterland of the extreme Left support. Yet Israel, which not only lets women show their ankles but lets homosexuals serve in the military are in their eyes "oppressors". It really shows how Leftism is the ideology of turning reality on its head.

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So now it is not possible to have nuanced support for a country? If you feel that it is not OK for Israel to take someones land (and please don't assume i support this position, just using it as an example) you have to support anything and everything that country does? They can't for instance, feel that they are being oppressed and the oppressor and try to work on both issues?

KarateCowboy said:

No.
It is bitterly ironic that we have the Middle East where most of these laws that CCGirl is protesting exist. I mean Muslim countries. Nations like Palestine have laws that execute homosexuals, stone women to death for being raped, and throw them in jail for being in a house with a man they are not married to or related to. These are the nations that CCGirl, and so many deep into the hinterland of the extreme Left support. Yet Israel, which not only lets women show their ankles but lets homosexuals serve in the military are in their eyes "oppressors". It really shows how Leftism is the ideology of turning reality on its head.

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Whereas I find it "bitterly ironic" that the Bush administration chose to side with these Middle East Muslim nations plus North Korea in their bid to oppose the declaration which said sexual activity outside marriage, no matter how immoral for a religious point of view, is still not punishable by death.

I wonder if you find it ironic, especially considering the company -- Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria -- the Bush administration and the United States of America was keeping regarding this issue, that the Bush administration, by refusing to endorse the decleration, was basically sending the message that it is quite a-okay to execute homosexuals and stone adulterers and rape victims to death.

As to this still theoretical "nations like Palestine", I'm afraid you don't seem to know your facts. You see, the Israeli occupied Palestinian territories, including areas under subject to Palestinian Authority (PA), do not recognize a penal code nor "laws" that would allow "stoning to death" or legal discrimination against homosexuals. So you must be referring to the great long-time Middle East ally of the United States of America, Saudi Arabia, where sexual activity between two persons of the same gender is punishable by death or flogging. Or the US-occupied Iraq, this shining vision and embodiment of the Bush administration's nation building and freedom™ & democracy™, where a husband is legally entitled to punish his wife, where "honor killings" are a serious and widespread problem, and where targeted killings of gay me is business as usual.

Oh, yeah its great lets keep suppressing free speech - I can't wait. Then one of these days no one will be able to criticize anything and its Russia all over again. I can't wait - where's the party at.

CCGirl said:

Looks like the USA is gaining some of its respect back! Good move for Obama.


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Wednesday formally endorsed a U.N. statement calling for the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality, a measure that former President George W. Bush had refused to sign.


The move was the administration's latest in reversing Bush-era decisions that have been heavily criticized by human rights and other groups. The United States was the only western nation not to sign onto the declaration when it came up at the U.N. General Assembly in December.


"The United States supports the U.N.'s statement on human rights, sexual orientation and gender identity and is pleased to join the other 66 U.N. member states who have declared their support of the statement," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood.

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If he signs a treaty we are screwed! The next president can't recant the ruling or sign in. It will be binding! One man shouldn't be able to endorse the whole nation into a one world order (slavery). I don't live by the U.N. rules(In which is the new Roman Empire) and I don't care if they take gay marriage on or not and it's none of their business what we do here. The U.N. has always Got their nose in Americas butt wondering which direction we are going. They need to worry about their own nation not ours. Their coalition is in prophecy! One world order, one currency, We have 27 nations and more shall follow in the coalition. In which will come about 10 kings and one anti Christ will rise (One world President)!!!!!!! Might as well flush the constitution down the toilet.

salida said:

Oh, yeah its great lets keep suppressing free speech - I can't wait. Then one of these days no one will be able to criticize anything and its Russia all over again. I can't wait - where's the party at.

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I'm sorry, are you in the wrong thread? What does free speech have to do with any of this?

(I'm almost afraid to ask)

salida said:

Oh, yeah its great lets keep suppressing free speech - I can't wait. Then one of these days no one will be able to criticize anything and its Russia all over again. I can't wait - where's the party at.

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"My free speech is more important than yours!" ?

allhart said:

If he signs a treaty we are screwed! The next president can't recant the ruling or sign in. It will be binding! One man shouldn't be able to endorse the whole nation into a one world order (slavery). I don't live by the U.N. rules(In which is the new Roman Empire) and I don't care if they take gay marriage on or not and it's none of their business what we do here. The U.N. has always Got their nose in Americas butt wondering which direction we are going. They need to worry about their own nation not ours. Their coalition is in prophecy! One world order, one currency, We have 27 nations and more shall follow in the coalition. In which will come about 10 kings and one anti Christ will rise (One world President)!!!!!!! Might as well flush the constitution down the toilet.

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First, it is not a treaty it is a non-binding resolution. Second, even if it were a treaty the president signing it is not enough, it would have to be passed by a majority in the Senate before it became binding. Three, it has nothing to do with gay marriage, rather it has to do with discrimination of homosexuality as well as not denying homosexuals equal rights when it comes to housing and jobs.