Old Shepherd,
Your attempt to get around 1 John 4:12 is funny. You are trying to squeak by on an easy-to-disprove technicality. Your view is that God often physically appeared in OT times, and that he comes and shoots arrows at men, and slings stones at men, and does hand-to-hand sword fighting against men, etc.! LOL. Then, you propose a ridiculous technicality that all who have ever been on the receiving end of these physical and visible apocalypses of Jehovah all had to die, for you say Exodus 33:20 demands it (combined with 1 John 4:12).
This foolish reasoning on your part is easy to disprove, for all I must show is that the bible tells us that many have "seen" God do such works and DIDN'T DIE! This would show a definitive contradiction against your view of Exodus 33:20/1John 4:12, and fully vindicate my view that "NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME," for the prophets spoke metaphorically concerning Jehovah's invisible doings through the Israelites and through the nations. The Hebrews knew that Jehovah is invisible (Col 1:15) and that no man has seen Jehovah at any time (1 John 4:12).
Here we go...
(#1) - Exodus 19:11
...and let them be ready for the third day, for on the third day Jehovah will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah come down on Mt Sinai. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#2) Deut 1:30
Yahweh your God who goes before you, he will fight for you according to all that he did for you in Egypt before your eyes
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things for them in Egypt. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#3) Deuteronomy 4:34
Or hath God tried to go in to take to Himself, a nation from the midst of a nation, by trials, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm, and by great terrors -- ACCORDING TO ALL THAT JEHOVAH YOUR GOD HATH DONE TO YOU IN EGYPT BEFORE YOUR EYES?
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things before their very eyes. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#4) Ezekiel 5:8,9,10,12-13,17
therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I, even I, am against you; and I will execute judgments in the midst of you in the sight of the nations. I will do in you that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all your abominations.... I will execute judgments on you; and the whole remnant of you will I scatter...a third part shall fall by the sword round about you; and a third part I will scatter to all the winds, and will draw out a sword after them. Thus shall my anger be accomplished, and I will cause my wrath toward them to rest, and I shall be comforted; and they shall know that I, Yahweh, have spoken in my zeal, when I have accomplished my wrath on them.... I will bring the sword on you: I, Yahweh, have spoken it.
[NOTE: The nations did not all die when they saw Jehovah come down and wage war against Israel, when he used His sword against them and scattererd them everywhere, accomplishing His wrath against them. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#5) Deuteronomy 29:2
And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "You have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh and all his servants and all his land
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things before their very eyes. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#6) - Joshua 24:17-18
for Yahweh our God, it is he who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way in which we went, and among all the peoples through the midst of whom we passed; and Yahweh drove out from before us all the peoples, even the Amorites who lived in the land: therefore we also will serve Yahweh
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when, in their sight, Jehovah lead them out of Egypt, performed signs, and drove out the Amorites. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
It should be perfectly clear to all unbiased minds that the Hebrew prophets spoke metaphorically concerning the many OT apocalyptic visitations and battles that Jehovah executed upon the earth. It should be perfectly clear to all unbiased minds that while the prophets described Jehovah as physically coming down and doing these countless acts of violence and other deeds before men's eyes and in the sight of so many, they did not mean this in any literal, physical way whatsoever. The Hebrews knew that Jehovah is invisible (Col 1:15) and that no man has seen Jehovah at any time (1 John 4:12). And so, such apocalptic wars and things that Jehovah was described as doing physically before their eyes were actually carried out by and through the Israelites and through their enemies in real history. No one ever saw Jehovah physically do any of these things during his various OT comings and Day-of-the-Lord judgments against nations and individuals.
As St. John so clearly stated:
"NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME."
--1 John 4:12
Your attempt to get around 1 John 4:12 is funny. You are trying to squeak by on an easy-to-disprove technicality. Your view is that God often physically appeared in OT times, and that he comes and shoots arrows at men, and slings stones at men, and does hand-to-hand sword fighting against men, etc.! LOL. Then, you propose a ridiculous technicality that all who have ever been on the receiving end of these physical and visible apocalypses of Jehovah all had to die, for you say Exodus 33:20 demands it (combined with 1 John 4:12).
This foolish reasoning on your part is easy to disprove, for all I must show is that the bible tells us that many have "seen" God do such works and DIDN'T DIE! This would show a definitive contradiction against your view of Exodus 33:20/1John 4:12, and fully vindicate my view that "NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME," for the prophets spoke metaphorically concerning Jehovah's invisible doings through the Israelites and through the nations. The Hebrews knew that Jehovah is invisible (Col 1:15) and that no man has seen Jehovah at any time (1 John 4:12).
Here we go...
(#1) - Exodus 19:11
...and let them be ready for the third day, for on the third day Jehovah will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah come down on Mt Sinai. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#2) Deut 1:30
Yahweh your God who goes before you, he will fight for you according to all that he did for you in Egypt before your eyes
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things for them in Egypt. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#3) Deuteronomy 4:34
Or hath God tried to go in to take to Himself, a nation from the midst of a nation, by trials, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm, and by great terrors -- ACCORDING TO ALL THAT JEHOVAH YOUR GOD HATH DONE TO YOU IN EGYPT BEFORE YOUR EYES?
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things before their very eyes. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#4) Ezekiel 5:8,9,10,12-13,17
therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I, even I, am against you; and I will execute judgments in the midst of you in the sight of the nations. I will do in you that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all your abominations.... I will execute judgments on you; and the whole remnant of you will I scatter...a third part shall fall by the sword round about you; and a third part I will scatter to all the winds, and will draw out a sword after them. Thus shall my anger be accomplished, and I will cause my wrath toward them to rest, and I shall be comforted; and they shall know that I, Yahweh, have spoken in my zeal, when I have accomplished my wrath on them.... I will bring the sword on you: I, Yahweh, have spoken it.
[NOTE: The nations did not all die when they saw Jehovah come down and wage war against Israel, when he used His sword against them and scattererd them everywhere, accomplishing His wrath against them. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#5) Deuteronomy 29:2
And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "You have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh and all his servants and all his land
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when they saw Jehovah do those things before their very eyes. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
(#6) - Joshua 24:17-18
for Yahweh our God, it is he who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way in which we went, and among all the peoples through the midst of whom we passed; and Yahweh drove out from before us all the peoples, even the Amorites who lived in the land: therefore we also will serve Yahweh
[NOTE: The Israelites did not all die when, in their sight, Jehovah lead them out of Egypt, performed signs, and drove out the Amorites. Therefore, your view of Ex 33:20/1Jn 4:12 is proven wrong.]
It should be perfectly clear to all unbiased minds that the Hebrew prophets spoke metaphorically concerning the many OT apocalyptic visitations and battles that Jehovah executed upon the earth. It should be perfectly clear to all unbiased minds that while the prophets described Jehovah as physically coming down and doing these countless acts of violence and other deeds before men's eyes and in the sight of so many, they did not mean this in any literal, physical way whatsoever. The Hebrews knew that Jehovah is invisible (Col 1:15) and that no man has seen Jehovah at any time (1 John 4:12). And so, such apocalptic wars and things that Jehovah was described as doing physically before their eyes were actually carried out by and through the Israelites and through their enemies in real history. No one ever saw Jehovah physically do any of these things during his various OT comings and Day-of-the-Lord judgments against nations and individuals.
As St. John so clearly stated:
"NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME."
--1 John 4:12
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