Manipulated Crisis for an agenda has a name!

HisdaughterJen · Mar 3, 2009

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

[FONT=times new roman,times]"The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In an [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]earlier post[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times], I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]sixty years[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Why? [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward-Piven Strategy[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one. (Courtesy [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Discover the Networks.org[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times])[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Newsmax[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] rounds out the picture:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In their Nation article, Cloward and Piven were specific about the kind of "crisis" they were trying to create:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which either generate institutional disruption or bring unrecognized disruption to public attention.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse."[/FONT]

more at link...

hiscosmicgoldfish · Mar 3, 2009

Gordon Brown is in on it as well. How sick am i of hearing about 'the special relationship'.. that tired old cliche from the Thatcher-Reagan years of the wreckers. Bad government.
They are starting to talk 1930's now on the tv. It's a bit like looking at it all from a distance, all the idiotic carry on, knowing it's all pre-staged behind the scenes, and there's nothing anyone can do about it, so i dont watch it.

I like this guy... freeman

dont know if i can post a link.. it's political, rather that religious. He does video's called 'the freeman perspective'.

Benefactor · Mar 3, 2009

HisdaughterJen said:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

[FONT=times new roman,times]"The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In an [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]earlier post[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times], I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]sixty years[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Why? [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward-Piven Strategy[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one. (Courtesy [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Discover the Networks.org[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times])[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Newsmax[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] rounds out the picture:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In their Nation article, Cloward and Piven were specific about the kind of "crisis" they were trying to create:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which either generate institutional disruption or bring unrecognized disruption to public attention.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse."[/FONT]

more at link...

Good article. I would have to agree, however, republicans are spindles. I have supported the Republican Party all my life and there have been some good times and bad. The republicans don't know how to win and keep on winning. They get sucked in and compromise and cater to special interest, all-be-it, of a different kind in many cases.

Corporate people are all to ready to sell the soul of the US for a quick fix in the financial market instead of making alternative hard choices when and where they are not hog tied by the democrats social agenda. George Bush became so one track minded and did not hold the republicans to physical responsibility. I like George in some ways but He failed the core long time republicans like me by burying his head in the sand or just not understanding what was going on around him. His ideals were more important to him than the needs of the nations.

When the republicans had control they did not have foresight and if they did they did not have the fortitude to fight and fight and fight. Why? Because it is all too easy to set back and blame others, pass the buck, take the easy way out.

Democrats for whatever reason are more passionate and consistent in their efforts to achieve their agenda.

The Republican Party is so splinter at this time I doubt it will ever make a strong come back.

Republicans and Democrats sold there soul to SA and the other Arab nations in he 70s after the first Oil Embargo. Protect SA and others for OIL. I understand that, but the good times lulled everyone to sleep and this is where the republican part lost its way. It all started them and gradually mushroomed and now I doubt it will have a reasonably good come back.

One last thing, the Republican part uses Christians as a step child. Here too they can see past the end of their noses, for greed and power, manage to dominate common sense.

HisdaughterJen · Mar 3, 2009

Yes, I agree...the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. It's all about power and money and not really about the people anymore.

Hockey_Fan · Mar 3, 2009

The problem with the Republican Reagan ideas of economics is that it ignores the fundamental flaw inhuman nature. People are greedy. They take whatever profits, tax breaks, etc. they can get it and hoard it. Bigger houses, private jets, college tuition at elite schools for THEIR children. It widens the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

In theory, the idea of tax breaks would cause the creation of more businesses, more charity, more opportunities for all. but, in reality, that only works if people are doing the right thing instead of hoarding the money themselves.

This is why I became a socialist. The only way that people will distribute the money across the board is when they are forced to do so, ie, government programs. I'm just not sure it will ever happen in a capitalist society.

And, yes, I agree with benefactor. The republicans use the christian church to advance their own agenda. They talk about christian issues at election time, then totally forget about them when they are in office.

Back in the late 1970s, both republicans and christians were on the verge of becoming politically irrelevant. So guys like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and company got together with republican leaders and struck a deal. The Republicans would give lip service to Christian principles such as prayer in schools, ending abortion and so forth if the Christian churches would support Republican candidates and their agenda of tax cuts, no gun control, etc. The Christians followed along, but the Republicans --- for the most part --- didn't keep their end of the deal. So it turned out OK for the wealthy Christians, and not so well for the lower middle classes, who, understandably feel betrayed.

To this day, in many christian churches in America, it is considered a sin to be a Democrat. If one professes such, fellow church members shun them, question their salvation or relationship with God, etc. It's really sad how blinded some of these christians can be.

Biblewriter · Mar 4, 2009

Hockey_Fan said:
The problem with the Republican Reagan ideas of economics is that it ignores the fundamental flaw inhuman nature. People are greedy. They take whatever profits, tax breaks, etc. they can get it and hoard it. Bigger houses, private jets, college tuition at elite schools for THEIR children. It widens the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

In theory, the idea of tax breaks would cause the creation of more businesses, more charity, more opportunities for all. but, in reality, that only works if people are doing the right thing instead of hoarding the money themselves.

This is completely false. The truth is that Regan economics makes use of people's greed to bring these very things about. You asume that the rich are stupid and just spend their money on personal things for themselves. The truth is that they want more money, so they invest what they get to keep so they can earn even more. This worked so well that Regan, who inherited a recession nearly as bad as the present one, left an economy so prosperous that it took the Socialists 20 years to break it.

This is why I became a socialist. The only way that people will distribute the money across the board is when they are forced to do so, ie, government programs. I'm just not sure it will ever happen in a capitalist society.

Reward for your labor is a Biblical principle. In Isaiah 65:20-23 the Lord promises that in the millennium his elect "shall long enjoy the work of their hands." and taking money away from producers and giving it to non-producers is immoral as well as unbiblical.
"If any man will not work, neither let him eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)

By the way, the constitution of the United States expressly forbids most of these big government programs, for there is nothing in the constitution providing for such, and the Constitution expressly forbids the federal government to do anything not specifically permitted in the constitution. If the courts respected the constitution, there could be no such programs at all. But since 1934 they have ignored what it says.

Benefactor · Mar 4, 2009

Hockey_Fan said:
The problem with the Republican Reagan ideas of economics is that it ignores the fundamental flaw inhuman nature. People are greedy. They take whatever profits, tax breaks, etc. they can get it and hoard it. Bigger houses, private jets, college tuition at elite schools for THEIR children. It widens the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

In theory, the idea of tax breaks would cause the creation of more businesses, more charity, more opportunities for all. but, in reality, that only works if people are doing the right thing instead of hoarding the money themselves.

This is why I became a socialist. The only way that people will distribute the money across the board is when they are forced to do so, ie, government programs. I'm just not sure it will ever happen in a capitalist society.

And, yes, I agree with benefactor. The republicans use the christian church to advance their own agenda. They talk about christian issues at election time, then totally forget about them when they are in office.

Back in the late 1970s, both republicans and christians were on the verge of becoming politically irrelevant. So guys like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and company got together with republican leaders and struck a deal. The Republicans would give lip service to Christian principles such as prayer in schools, ending abortion and so forth if the Christian churches would support Republican candidates and their agenda of tax cuts, no gun control, etc. The Christians followed along, but the Republicans --- for the most part --- didn't keep their end of the deal. So it turned out OK for the wealthy Christians, and not so well for the lower middle classes, who, understandably feel betrayed.

To this day, in many christian churches in America, it is considered a sin to be a Democrat. If one professes such, fellow church members shun them, question their salvation or relationship with God, etc. It's really sad how blinded some of these christians can be.

Hi Hocky_Fan and everyone elst too,

I am "stunned" I though my comments would catch a world wind of criticism. We all have what I call our “GRID” we evaluate things through, family, school, friends, work, church and much more. And these are very powerful in how we think and act. One aspect of life that seems to trump everything is reality.

The outlook of our world does not look inviting. I know there are a number of different theological views on what will be, but even with these views shelved for a moment I don’t think anyone who takes a hard look at our reality can be optimistic about the future, especially economically.

Parenthetically, let me say that I was and still am a huge Jerry Farwell fan. In Dr. Farwell’s later years he too became weary of the Republican Party. There have been some redeeming qualities in the RP because to a marginal degree they do know that with out the “Christian Right” they would never win. The Christina right is the largest block in the RP. They know for the most part that the CR is not going to abandon them. This was one of the reasons Fred Thompson, for Senator McCain, unleashed his campaign against Huckabee. Huckabee somewhat of moderate Southern Baptist - social issues - not moral issues, came very close, but forces like the Lost Religious, and Saved Legalist (Bob Jones followers) managed to defeat Huckabee in South Carolina. Snide cute remarks by Senator Graham and others tell the distain the Religious Lost have for the Elect (Calvinist and Arminian Elect and me of which I am neither). I know that is a little judgmental, but it is based on a fare assumption of their thinking and actions.

We may all have had ideas that were more than life to us as times in the past. I believe many of the politicians do when they run for office, but the enormous pressure defeats most. Following that the sin nature starts to go to work in overtime. Many remember the noble campaign on term limits. What happened with that grandiose idea? Here is the sad part but the real truth, both parties collaborated, drew up a bill that would give all of them retirement after one term. This was a slap in the face to the voter who was fed up with politics as usual. Neither Republican nor Democrat made an issue of this move at the height of the campaign to oust all and replace with new blood. This effort was a Republican political, on the moment, hot potato that garnished them votes, but what did they do? The Democrats, well they grinned, snickered behind closed doors because they know the weakness of the spineless Republicans and both parties continue to posture on there side for and against term limits. The media left it alone because the Democrats backed it, and thus we the American electorate are once again used and abused.

I know I may sound a little bitter, no I am not bitter, but my eyes see a lot clearer today than they did yesterday. I have not forsaken my Christian values and my love for our Lord.

I live in Alabama and I have ties to the automobile industry. Many of the chemical plants do also and our particular location is home to a number of chemical plants. These plants are being hit very hard by the lack of sails by the total auto industry, especially GM. Many fine Chrisitans that work for these companies were very critical of the US car market and drove vehicles not made by them. Now that their jobs are on the line and some have lost and more most likely will lose their jobs the view of liberal vs. conservative in light of economics is coming under a new (old ) light. As good as we may think of ourselves as believers we too are deceived from all sides to a certain extent. We however, do have the ability to open out eyes and understand as compared to our lost neighbors (tong and cheek) somewhat.

I know I am rattling on but permit me to illustrate one more thing. A member of my Bible Study Group, (60s to 80s) is one of several who are still working. We were discussing the bleak economy at a breakfast we have weekly. Comments were made about my relationship to the auto industry by my beloved brother out of fear that Social Security may not be there for him because of the beleaguered auto crisis. He was a bit sharp and critical of my situation because he saw it as a threat to his, normal by all means. We all were sensing a loss of control we had grown so comfortable in, which in turn effected our “I know best” positions that we all manage to have. As many know if the auto industry were to go under the federal government would be obligated to pick up the tap in more than one way. It would be devastating to say the least. Many don’t grasp the magnitude of such a major hit. There are over 700 thousand auto industry retired workers who draw a vested pension of varying degrees. There are that many more workers who have vested pensions who work for companies that are support industries for the auto companies, parts, services etc. All vested pensions are backed by the federal government. Most people don’t know that. No, we are not talking about Social Security; we are talking about another social program that guarantees no less than fifty cents on the dollar of lost pensions. The cost to do this is staggering and unthinkable compared to the billions that are being pumped into these struggling companies. The Republicans in control of massive wealth only see backing their interest (banks and financial institutions) and letting the common man suffer at the hand of their greed, Democrats are in this mix big time too. My friend, who was critical, after I explained the working of the system, looked into it and has a change of heart.

I will stop here because I could ramble on forever.

As believers we need to draw closer and closer to our Lord for depending in this world is not good and many of us have been slowly sucked into its grip only to find out that it is sinking sand.

To God Be The Glory Great Things He Hath Done

I am sorry, I have to say this. Keep your eyes on the changing world Oil market and watch and see as one nation after the other switches to the Euro and forsakes the US dollar. This is already happening and it should be a very big concern to everyone. We are loosing our place in the world, I don't thing we can reverse it. None of us have one ounce of control and the political party we vote for won’t change this either because they have allowed it to happen in their blindness.

I am talking to myself here (shut up - OK)

Benefactor · Mar 4, 2009

HisdaughterJen said:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

[FONT=times new roman,times]"The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In an [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]earlier post[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times], I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]sixty years[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times][FONT=times new roman,times]Why? [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]Amen[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward-Piven Strategy[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one. (Courtesy [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Discover the Networks.org[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times])[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Newsmax[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] rounds out the picture:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In their Nation article, Cloward and Piven were specific about the kind of "crisis" they were trying to create:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which either generate institutional disruption or bring unrecognized disruption to public attention.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse."[/FONT]

more at link...

My blood is starting to boil, Girl, you are right on, trying to talk like my kids.

I love music so it is time for something soft and calming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oad8ov10AjY&feature=PlayList&p=56F4B8EF648C8C43&index=0&playnext=1

I have to add this one to, enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPdtqgouCc&feature=related

gracechick · Mar 4, 2009

hiscosmicgoldfish said:
Gordon Brown is in on it as well. How sick am i of hearing about 'the special relationship'.. that tired old cliche from the Thatcher-Reagan years of the wreckers. Bad government.
They are starting to talk 1930's now on the tv. It's a bit like looking at it all from a distance, all the idiotic carry on, knowing it's all pre-staged behind the scenes, and there's nothing anyone can do about it, so i dont watch it.

I like this guy... freeman

dont know if i can post a link.. it's political, rather that religious. He does video's called 'the freeman perspective'.

Chilling isn't it? It's the same song second verse. I rarely watch the news myself as I don't like being lied to

The press is the most powerful antieconomy growth vehicle they are using presently.

hiscosmicgoldfish · Mar 4, 2009

gracechick said:
Chilling isn't it? It's the same song second verse. I rarely watch the news myself as I don't like being lied to The press is the most powerful antieconomy growth vehicle they are using presently.

yep.

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