Mechanical Bliss
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In your opinion only. To a Buddhist, enlightenment would be seen as offering so much more than unsubstantiated claims of an afterlife.
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Creationism VS Intellegent Design
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In your opinion only. To a Buddhist, enlightenment would be seen as offering so much more than unsubstantiated claims of an afterlife.
Mechanical Bliss
Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.
Nonsense. Your idea of "protecting the rights of Christians" is to completely disregard the rights of people of other religions and non-religion.
The rights of Christians are fully protected. Just because the schools don't mandate the teaching of Christianity and Christian creationism above all else doesn't mean your rights are not protected.
If you want your children to be students of Christianity, take them to church, a parochial school, or home-school them. The public school system is funded by the government, and thus must be neutral by law.
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"YECist or whatever"? What do you mean by whatever? As far as YEC's they will have to defend themselves.
All I have ever said was that food producers have been around for 6000 years. Adam in the Bible was the very first food producer. Before Adam all that existed were food gathers.
Although between when God created the food gather, and when God created the food producer was a day of rest. The day of rest was the last day of creation. Then I guess you could say the day of cultivation began. Because the flowers and the plants in the garden were different from the wild flowers, trees and plants that you find in creation. They were cultivated.
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But it does mandate common decent. If you mandate common decent, then you have to present both sides of the argument and mandate intelligent design.
To present just one side of the debate is going to throw the whole thing off of balance.
Proverbs 18:17
The first one to plead his cause seems right,
Until his neighbor comes and examines him.
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They can have equal time, if they want to represent themselves. Or do you want to plead their cause for them?
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Except that the "debate" is theological and not scientific. Put it in a comparitive religions or philosophy class and no one would care. Trying to place a non-scientific debate into science class only dilutes science education.
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Mechanical Bliss
Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.
Intelligent design is not a scientific theory and should not be taught as such.
What is mandated in schools is SCIENCE education.
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I am looking at this from the perspective of setting up a curriculum for 6 th to 8th grade level students. Of course we begin at age one to start to bring them up to that level.
Science for us is one of the many tools we use to teach our students about God. Teaching science is secondary, teaching them about God is our primary objective.
We do have a situation with some Phd's who have a very low level of understanding about God, some are not even functioning at a third grade level and that is a concern also. If anyone wants to have a showdown at ok corral, I will match our Bible school students up againt your Phd's in biology. For example, we could have a contest to see who could memorize the most bible verses verbatum, the Phd or the sunday school student.
My dream is to get the whole world up to at least a 6 th grade level of understanding, and maybe as much as a 8 th grade level. Beyond that, would be someone elses job.
But with 8 years of teaching that God is a part of science, I do not think an infidel is going to be able to come along and seperate God from science in the mind of our students. Once someone has been touched by God and his miracle power, there is not much an infidel can do with them to try and convince them that there is no such thing as a intellegent designer.
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Jesus is the light of the world. Apart from Jesus there is no light.
As far as the after life, if that is all I was concerned about I would not be here talking to you, I would be going after that. But I am here, trying to help you to seek after that which is far greater than what we have here and now.
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*RANT MODE ON*
Science for the rest of the us is one of the many tools we use to teach our students about the world, regardless of whether they believe in God or not.
We do have a situation involving apples and oranges. Does a Ph.D in Biology have to be a Bible scholar as well? Will a detailed reading of the book of Deuteronomy, for example, improve his/her understanding of DNA sequencing? Does memorizing Bible verses verbatim have anything to do with cellular mitosis? What's the concern?
Please allow me to help that dream along...
THE SCIENCE CURRICULUM:
Grade One: "God did it."
Grade Two: "God did that too."
Grade Three: "We'll never know how God did it."
Grade Four: "God can do anything He wants."
Grade Five: "Look at what God did."
Grade Six: "Remember that God did that."
Grade Seven: "List five things God did."
Grade Eight: "Did I mention that God did it?"
And then it becomes someone else's job.
Ah... Could you define "infidel" for the rest of the class? Would that be someone whose beliefs differ from yours?
*RANT MODE OFF*
Science for the rest of the us is one of the many tools we use to teach our students about the world, regardless of whether they believe in God or not.
We do have a situation involving apples and oranges. Does a Ph.D in Biology have to be a Bible scholar as well? Will a detailed reading of the book of Deuteronomy, for example, improve his/her understanding of DNA sequencing? Does memorizing Bible verses verbatim have anything to do with cellular mitosis? What's the concern?
Please allow me to help that dream along...
THE SCIENCE CURRICULUM:
Grade One: "God did it."
Grade Two: "God did that too."
Grade Three: "We'll never know how God did it."
Grade Four: "God can do anything He wants."
Grade Five: "Look at what God did."
Grade Six: "Remember that God did that."
Grade Seven: "List five things God did."
Grade Eight: "Did I mention that God did it?"
And then it becomes someone else's job.
Ah... Could you define "infidel" for the rest of the class? Would that be someone whose beliefs differ from yours?
*RANT MODE OFF*
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Mechanical Bliss
Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.
Science is a tool to teach students about the world through objective observation and deducing conclusions and whether or not God exists has nothing to do with it. God is hardly the primary objective here.
Furthermore, such a "science" curriculum as you propose is UNCONSTITUTIONAL in public school systems and UNSCIENTIFIC.
Yeah, teach people dogma to ensure that everyone has the same beliefs you do. That's brilliant.
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Mechanical Bliss
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AGAIN: IN YOUR OPINION ONLY. To a Buddhist, apart from a spiritual path to enlightenment, everything else, including your religious icons, is irrelavent.
So....I guess in your opinion, religious freedom applies only to Christians. That's hardly in accordance with the most fundamental principle of this country: freedom.
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Mechanical Bliss
Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.
IN YOUR OPINION ONLY.
You want to teach YOUR religion as science when, in fact, it is not. You want to teach YOUR religion as if it is the ONLY religion (at least worth studying, to you) when, in fact, it is not.
You think Christianity and Christian creationism should be taught at the expense of students' freedom of religion. So yes, you are an enemy to freedom of religion, clearly.
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No, not just my opinion. You have things like consumer report that does a survey with owners. Also there are a lot of different magazines that will rate the different cars. You can talk to mechanics and you can talk to car salesman. They can give you a indication if one car is better than another. Now with the internet we have sites like e opionion, that rates different things.
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You do not have a dictionary? They have quite a good dictionarys on line.
<DIR><B>in·fi·del</B> <I> n.</I><B> 1.</B> An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam.<B> 2.</B> One who has no religious beliefs.<B> 3.</B> One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle:<I> an infidel to the prohibitionist cause.</I></DIR>
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I have many good dictionaries. But I need clarification of your definition of "infidel." You want this fanatical science program of yours to be government-regulated. Its purpose is to combat infidels. However, one of the founding principles of our government is religious freedom. By definition, there are no infidels.
So, which "infidels" are you talking about?
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An infidel is someone that does not believe in God. My "fanatical program" is a lot more extensive then just science. That is just the part where there is so much disagreement. I am talking about a total education program from age one up to the 6 th to 8 th grade level. As far as I am concerned, I hope that the government does not get involve in it. We could use some power, if the government wants to get involved in something, they can run some power lines for us.
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