Sign of the times - Pastor awaits prison for saying 'Jesus loves you'

Catherineanne · Feb 22, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
However---If these women do not repent BEFORE Judgment, then they will be lost.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, by the same standard as you use for others.

In other words, this Biblical warning means that if you do not repent before judgement, you will be lost.

Not so nice to be on the receiving end, is it?

mini21 · Feb 22, 2009

Assuming the legal system (at least America's, anyway) is biased, in their eyes, he definitely deserved it. I'm sure it put a smile on alot of peoples faces to be a part of making an example out of this man!

People want to keep God out of everything. School, choices, their LIVES. And when something bad happens to them they are so quick to blame God.

Catherineanne · Feb 22, 2009

ANM29 said:
The world hates Christ because they do not know him, so what is so surprising about this..

There is a whole world of difference between prosecuting someone for unlawful behaviour and hating Christ.

However, for those - sadly including many of today's Christians - with a persecution complex, everything becomes persecution. Even rightful prosecution for unlawful behaviour.

I repeat, nobody is above the law.

Lord, have mercy!

Tenebrae · Feb 22, 2009

jazzypooh said:
well then what type of outreach do you suggest? i don't see anything wrong with this man's method of outreach to them. not many others are making attempts to reach out to these women, and then when someone does they didn't do it 'good enough' or they could've did it a 'better' way.... i believe God will honor their efforts if they did it with the right heart motivation. i really don't think someone would go this far to reach out to these women at the risk of imprisonment might i add, if his motives were not truly sincere

The following is what I have found worked for me

What I've found works
Finding out what they would need to either raise the child themselves or to consider having the child or adopting the child out?

Giving my opinion when asked for it, shutting up when not

Letting them know that regardless of the outcome I'll or other people will be there to support them regardless.

ensuring that they have all the information about abortion. Its amazing how many women dont know all the facts about how abortion may possibly affect them, and when they actually have all the facts, they choose not to abort, either opting to raise the child, or adopt the child.

What I've found doesnt work
standing outside of abortion clinics, all it does is annoy people.

offering my opinion when not asked for

giving them non balanced literature on abortion

putting the childs welfare ahead of theirs

I forget the numbers, however the situations I've been involved in, all the mums either chose to raise the child, or adopt the child out, no abortions though

Floatingaxe · Feb 22, 2009

Catherineanne said:
Judge not, lest ye be judged, by the same standard as you use for others.

In other words, this Biblical warning means that if you do not repent before judgement, you will be lost.

Not so nice to be on the receiving end, is it?

I'm not on the receiving end of anything. I am speaking the truth of God's Word. No one will be able to plead the blood of Jesus when they are standing before God at His Great White Throne Judgment--that is for sinners. The jig is up for them.

That's not judging. Them's the facts, ma'am.

Floatingaxe · Feb 22, 2009

Catherineanne said:
Assuming that the US legal system is alive and well, all I can say is, if he has been convicted in a court of law, then he is guilty, and he deserves what he gets.

It is a fundamental part of the US constitution that nobody is above the law.

Meanwhile, there is no example in Scripture of Our Lord picketing anyone with placards, so I see no reason for any pastor, or any other Christian for that matter, to engage in such behaviour. I fail to see how it constitutes love, in any way whatever. It will change nobody's mind, and is far more likely to bring our faith into disrepute than to enhance its reputation.

Ergo, lock him up, and welcome.

Yeah, do nothing to help those poor defenseless babies being torn limb from limb. Heavens forfend we should speak out.

Floatingaxe · Feb 22, 2009

Tenebrae said:
The following is what I have found worked for me

What I've found works
Finding out what they would need to either raise the child themselves or to consider having the child or adopting the child out?

Giving my opinion when asked for it, shutting up when not

Letting them know that regardless of the outcome I'll or other people will be there to support them regardless.

ensuring that they have all the information about abortion. Its amazing how many women dont know all the facts about how abortion may possibly affect them, and when they actually have all the facts, they choose not to abort, either opting to raise the child, or adopt the child.

What I've found doesnt work
standing outside of abortion clinics, all it does is annoy people.

offering my opinion when not asked for

giving them non balanced literature on abortion

putting the childs welfare ahead of theirs

I forget the numbers, however the situations I've been involved in, all the mums either chose to raise the child, or adopt the child out, no abortions though

Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

LaffyTaffy · Feb 22, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

Same verse amplified:
Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] expose and reprove and convict them.

It would appear that that's exactly what Tenabrae is doing. The fruit of her actions has produced conviction in the hearts of these women and saved the life of unborn children. The fruit has produced life, not death.

It's amazing people emphasizing, "They deserve it!" "They know better!" "They need to just deal with it!"

Jesus NEVER said that to the woman caught in adultery even though He could have. She knew better. She knew the consequences of her actions were death by stoning. She deserved it. The pharisees had no compassion on her and said as much.

But that's not what Jesus said. Instead He had compassion on her. He didn't throw the stone, and life was given because of it.

An awful lot of pharisees here.

Floatingaxe · Feb 22, 2009

LaffyTaffy said:
Same verse amplified:
Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] expose and reprove and convict them.

It would appear that that's exactly what Tenabrae is doing. The fruit of her actions has produced conviction in the hearts of these women and saved the life of unborn children. The fruit has produced life, not death.

It's amazing people emphasizing, "They deserve it!" "They know better!" "They need to just deal with it!"

Jesus NEVER said that to the woman caught in adultery even though He could have. She knew better. She knew the consequences of her actions were death by stoning. She deserved it. The pharisees had no compassion on her and said as much.

But that's not what Jesus said. Instead He had compassion on her. He didn't throw the stone, and life was given because of it.

An awful lot of pharisees here.

No one is throwing stones here. We are standing up for life. I think of the baby, who will soon be torn limb from limb because of ignorance and sin. No one that day did anything "pharisaical"...only loving in Christ.

Those clinic workers were vying for the death of innocents, and trying to shut up the message of HOPE. I'm not on their side. Are you?

That pastor could have been the last voice of reason and truth along the line of MANY voices that those clinic patients have IGNORED! Urgent situations call for urgent measures. God bless that wonderful man of God!

Tenebrae · Feb 22, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

You suggest that I stop doing what I am doing, stop working with women to find alternatives to abortion, saving the babies and the mothers? What I do, has a 100% success rate at this point in time, if by some chance my methods stop being affective, I'll be sure and let you know

Otherwise take your random scripture quoting elsewhere.

LaffyTaffy · Feb 22, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
No one is throwing stiones here.

Uh huh, sure.

No one that day

Well, I made reference to this thread, not "that day".

not on their side. Are you?

Absolutely NOT.

Floatingaxe · Feb 22, 2009

LaffyTaffy said:
Uh huh, sure.

Well, I made reference to this thread, not "that day".

Absolutely NOT.

Then keep your stones.

LaffyTaffy · Feb 22, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
Then keep your stones.

I never had any, but thanks.

KleinerApfel · Feb 23, 2009

Excellent, Tenebrae! I hope the work you're doing grows and gains wide support.

Catherineanne · Feb 23, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
I'm not on the receiving end of anything. I am speaking the truth of God's Word. No one will be able to plead the blood of Jesus when they are standing before God at His Great White Throne Judgment--that is for sinners. The jig is up for them.

That's not judging. Them's the facts, ma'am.

If you say so, FA.

Meanwhile, I would not change places with you for all the tea in China. You still do not realise that every word you speak will speak against you when you stand before the throne. You are not responsible for other's sins, but you are responsible for your own.

Lord, have mercy.

Catherineanne · Feb 23, 2009

Tenebrae said:
What I do, has a 100% success rate at this point in time, if by some chance my methods stop being affective, I'll be sure and let you know

May God continue to richly bless you, and all that you do, T. :wave:

And may the voice of each one of those children, and of each mother, be raised on your behalf when you stand before God.

enoch son · Feb 23, 2009

It comes to my mind if Christ fills one being that shouldn't the word be " I love you" the right thing to say to someone that is in need of it? One must wonder is one viod of the love of Christ if one can't step up to the plate. My bible say's "perfect love cast out all fear" I wonder who is in fear the most. I thank God so many here speak the love of Christ without condemnation you have bless my heart thank you.

Floatingaxe · Feb 23, 2009

Catherineanne said:
If you say so, FA.

Meanwhile, I would not change places with you for all the tea in China. You still do not realise that every word you speak will speak against you when you stand before the throne. You are not responsible for other's sins, but you are responsible for your own.

Lord, have mercy.

I am not going to stand in that Judgment. I am going to stand at the Bema Seat of Christ as a believer, at least 1,000 years prior to that.

SpiritPsalmist · Feb 23, 2009

I have no doubt that our nation is under judgement due to our killing of the innocent. There are some who will make it into heaven only due to the violent pulling them out. Jesus said:

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Matthew 11:12

See for yourself what God says about the shedding of innocent blood and the curse it brings on the land that allows it.

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Exodus 23:6-8 (in Context) Exodus 23 (Whole Chapter)
Deuteronomy 19:10
That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deuteronomy 19:9-11 (in Context) Deuteronomy 19 (Whole Chapter)
Deuteronomy 19:13
Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.
Deuteronomy 19:12-14 (in Context) Deuteronomy 19 (Whole Chapter)
Deuteronomy 21:8
Be merciful, O LORD, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood unto thy people of Israel's charge. And the blood shall be forgiven them.
Deuteronomy 21:7-9 (in Context) Deuteronomy 21 (Whole Chapter)
Deuteronomy 21:9
So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 21:8-10 (in Context) Deuteronomy 21 (Whole Chapter)
Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deuteronomy 27:24-26 (in Context) Deuteronomy 27 (Whole Chapter)
2 Kings 21:16
Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
2 Kings 21:15-17 (in Context) 2 Kings 21 (Whole Chapter)
2 Kings 24:4
And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon.
2 Kings 24:3-5 (in Context) 2 Kings 24 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 10:8
He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.
Psalm 10:7-9 (in Context) Psalm 10 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 94:21
They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
Psalm 94:20-22 (in Context) Psalm 94 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 106:38
And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psalm 106:37-39 (in Context) Psalm 106 (Whole Chapter)
Proverbs 1:11
If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
Proverbs 1:10-12 (in Context) Proverbs 1 (Whole Chapter)
Proverbs 6:17
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Proverbs 6:16-18 (in Context) Proverbs 6 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 59:7
Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Isaiah 59:6-8 (in Context) Isaiah 59 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 2:34
Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.
Jeremiah 2:33-35 (in Context) Jeremiah 2 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 7:6
If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jeremiah 7:5-7 (in Context) Jeremiah 7 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 19:4
Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jeremiah 19:3-5 (in Context) Jeremiah 19 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
Jeremiah 22:2-4 (in Context) Jeremiah 22 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 22:17
But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.
Jeremiah 22:16-18 (in Context) Jeremiah 22 (Whole Chapter)
Jeremiah 26:15
But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears.
Jeremiah 26:14-16 (in Context) Jeremiah 26 (Whole Chapter)
Joel 3:19
Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Joel 3:18-20 (in Context) Joel 3 (Whole Chapter)
Jonah 1:14
Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.
Jonah 1:13-15 (in Context) Jonah 1 (Whole Chapter)

Floatingaxe · Feb 23, 2009

enoch son said:
It comes to my mind if Christ fills one being that shouldn't the word be " I love you" the right thing to say to someone that is in need of it? One must wonder is one viod of the love of Christ if one can't step up to the plate. My bible say's "perfect love cast out all fear" I wonder who is in fear the most. I thank God so many here speak the love of Christ without condemnation you have bless my heart thank you.

I should think the poor infant who is about to be shredded would be the fearful one. What is with all this bleeding heart stuff, enoch son?

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