An essay on abortion and Christianity. What are your thoughts on the essay?

buddy_holly · Feb 17, 2009

white dove said:
What are your thoughts on the subject?

Well, the subject being on the essay, and not abortion, it would be:

It was a fairly well written essay, playing devil's advocate for both sides. I like how it does not confirm nor deny the bible's stance on abortion, rather just giving his opinion on how a lot of bible verses regarding abortion condemnation seem to be taken out of context.

I find that a lot of bible verses taken unto themselves are almost always taken out of context, when none is given, regardless of the subject, and I agree with him in concept that we should read the bible and determine for ourselves what it says, and not act as sheep who do as their leader says, without question.

I find it funny that not even into the second page that this topic has degraded into a flame war about abortion, when my question was not about abortion specifically. It's about the idea of context and how utterly important it is.

In conclusion, my opinion is this suggestion:

Instead of blindly believing something, anything from a few bible verses, first, gain context and understanding of these verses, and decide for yourself if they are in fact relevant before you believe what you are being told is true.

buddy_holly · Feb 17, 2009

CreedIsChrist said:
Christianity for over 2000 years has condemned abortion. It was only until 1930 around that justification of it began.

Ok , Pro "choice" proproganda according to you. Should be purged in fire just like its supporters will be in the day of judgement when the blood of 60 million+ children lay on they're shoulder.

The Apocalypse of Peter

"I saw a gorge in which the discharge and excrement of the tortured ran down and became like a lake. There sat women, and the discharge came up to their throats; and opposite them sat many children, who were born prematurely, weeping. And from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women on the eyes. These were those who produced children outside of marriage and who procured abortions."

"Those who slew the unborn children will be tortured forever, for God wills it to so." -
2:64

http://www.ntcanon.org/Apocalypse_of_Peter.shtml

Some more information on this particular gospel.

white dove · Feb 17, 2009

buddy_holly said:
Well, the subject being on the essay, and not abortion, it would be:

It was a fairly well written essay, playing devil's advocate for both sides. I like how it does not confirm nor deny the bible's stance on abortion, rather just giving his opinion on how a lot of bible verses regarding abortion condemnation seem to be taken out of context.

I find that a lot of bible verses taken unto themselves are almost always taken out of context, when none is given, regardless of the subject, and I agree with him in concept that we should read the bible and determine for ourselves what it says, and not act as sheep who do as their leader says, without question.

I find it funny that not even into the second page that this topic has degraded into a flame war about abortion, when my question was not about abortion specifically. It's about the idea of context and how utterly important it is.

In conclusion, my opinion is this suggestion:

Instead of blindly believing something, anything from a few bible verses, first, gain context and understanding of these verses, and decide for yourself if they are in fact relevant before you believe what you are being told is true.

Thanks for getting back to my post.

At times, I feel as though I am much like a few of the other posters who went blindly into this thread, saw the title and immediately said to themselves: "This is blasphemy" - when what you wanted was for us to read the article and then form an opinion based on that article. I'm pretty sure I've steamrolled my way into a thread like that before, so I can't really judge.

However, being in this particular forum, it's sometimes difficult for people to separate themselves emotionally from the topic-at-hand. Sometimes, there are threads that are just begging to be misunderstood in order to reveal another's strong bias, misunderstanding or ignorance and sometimes, even hatred. Strong beliefs and values run pretty deep here, so it's natural to see the passion (and font size) demonstrate that. :sorry:

Sorry, that was way off-topic.

It's funny how context and cultural bias (which is what this article is about) has turned the thread into a horse of another color. In and of itself, it demonstrates the writer's intent.

elephunky · Feb 17, 2009

I found it an interesting read.

I am not one of these people taht are dead set against abortion. I think having abortions because your too lazy to use contraception or because you dont wanna give up your high paying job is wrong.

But I dont have a problem with abortions being the result of a rape or medical reasons.

I think that Its not a human until it is actually formed in the womb, growing its bits.

Zebra1552 · Feb 17, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
I found it an interesting read.

I am not one of these people taht are dead set against abortion. I think having abortions because your too lazy to use contraception or because you dont wanna give up your high paying job is wrong.

But I dont have a problem with abortions being the result of a rape or medical reasons.

I think that Its not a human until it is actually formed in the womb, growing its bits.

It's growing from the moment of conception.

elephunky · Feb 17, 2009

It might be growing, but it doesnt form into a baby for some time

Zebra1552 · Feb 17, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
It might be growing, but it doesnt form into a baby for some time

And when does it become a baby? When it has blood flowing through it? When it has a recognizable head? When it is born? Where's the line?

elephunky · Feb 17, 2009

Why would you expect somenoe who cant have a baby to have a a baby?

daydreamergurl15 · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
Why would you expect somenoe who cant have a baby to have a a baby?

If they are pregnant, I believe they can have a baby. Otherwise they would be barren.

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

My closest friend cannot have another baby because it will kill her. What would you suppose she do if she fell pregnant even tho she takes precautions?

Then there are people who cant emotionally have a baby, like rape victims.

homewardbound · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
My closest friend cannot have another baby because it will kill her. What would you suppose she do if she fell pregnant even tho she takes precautions?

Then there are people who cant emotionally have a baby, like rape victims.

Surely she knows there are medical procedures available to ensure she never conceives. If she is aware of the risks and still chooses to engage in intercourse, isn't that rather foolish?

daydreamergurl15 · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
My closest friend cannot have another baby because it will kill her. What would you suppose she do if she fell pregnant even tho she takes precautions?

Then there are people who cant emotionally have a baby, like rape victims.

If your friend is taking precautions and she gets pregnant anyways then I say, keep the baby and through it all and pray. If she truly don't want to get pregnant because she is afraid of dying then she should get her tubes tied.

There are many raped victims that have kept their child and some gave the child up for adoption. And if you look at the statistics for abortion (rape victims are few and far between). Sorry, I don't think that we should kill a child (yes I said child not fetus (though I still find it funny that it means little one)), whom is also an innocent victim in all of this, because their daddy is a rapist.

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

The procedure is too risky. Would you expect a young woman to stop from making love to her husband for the rest of her life? Would you expect a man to stop making love to his wife for the rest of his life?

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

IF she fell pregnant daydreamer, she could not have it because she WILL die, its not a fact of her being afraid to die.

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

daydreamergurl15 said:
If your friend is taking precautions and she gets pregnant anyways then I say, keep the baby and through it all and pray. If she truly don't want to get pregnant because she is afraid of dying then she should get her tubes tied.

There are many raped victims that have kept their child and some gave the child up for adoption. And if you look at the statistics for abortion (rape victims are few and far between). Sorry, I don't think that we should kill a child (yes I said child not fetus (though I still find it funny that it means little one)), whom is also an innocent victim in all of this, because their daddy is a rapist.

If I fell pregnant with a rape baby, I would rather end my own life than have it.

daydreamergurl15 · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
IF she fell pregnant daydreamer, she could not have it because she WILL die, its not a fact of her being afraid to die.

Then tell your friend to get her tubes tied and she can make all the love she wants with her husband without the worries of getting pregnant.

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

Operations are risky, as i stated in my earlier post

daydreamergurl15 · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
The procedure is too risky. Would you expect a young woman to stop from making love to her husband for the rest of her life? Would you expect a man to stop making love to his wife for the rest of his life?

So let me get this straight...it's too risky for her to get her tubes tied and it's too risky for her to get pregnant. Then every time your friend have sex with her husband and she is using protection that is not 100% effective then she runs the risk of getting pregnant.

At this point, I won't talk about you friend anymore because she is not her to defend herself or set me straight on her issues.

elephunky · Feb 18, 2009

She uses the pill as well as physical contraceptives.

I was trying to state a point, I believe in special cases for abortions.

Zebra1552 · Feb 18, 2009

dGirl1986 said:
IF she fell pregnant daydreamer, she could not have it because she WILL die, its not a fact of her being afraid to die.

And how often does this kind of situation actually happen?

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