Christians who wish to worship with (as) Jews

why would a person who knows Jesus Christ as the Messiah who has the gift of the covenant of grace want to live in bondage to the law?? Yes we should know our roots bu she must also know our stem, our branches our leaves and our fruit.

I - unlike most who are posting here in this form - by the LAW of the Torah a JEW. What more I am a Jew who's liniage is of the tribe of Levi. Does this benefit me in the eyes of GOD? NOPE.

pray4: with YOU I know this to be true. However with others here who have posted such foolishness as the Rich Rhives muck, I find their approach to those of us who disgree with them to be quite hostile. They base their beliefs upon the wrtings of one man who has no historic basis for his claims and refuse the historic evidences offered against the man. *sigh*

Originally posted by vegan
I have a question for seasoned Messianics - is it proper for a gentile to either seek out Messianic congregations to worship Yeshua or to worship using traditional Jewish prayers (for example: the Shema)?

I once considered myself B'nai Noach, studied Judaism, and even participated in Shabbos services passing myself off as a Jew.

Thank you for your help.

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I think you have to do what you think Yeshua wants you to do. But there is one danger when Christians are behaving like Jews... overhere (The Netherlands) some of those Christians call themseleves ´Spiritual Israël/Jews/Israëlites´ and for me that is blasphemy. Why? Because they won´t exept G´ds Plan with the ´real´Israëlites.

Shalom!

Noa

vegan: I pray in my native tongue. God is multi lingual I don't need to pray the any prayer in any specific language

Its sad that Christians of Jewish lineage are made to feel terrible for being Christians and not Judaizers. Being told that we have been corrupted - in effect that we are not of God. I have no problem with messianic believers worshiping God as they see fit. The problem is when they try to tell me that their way is the ONLY way.

Originally posted by Br. Max
Its sad that Christians of Jewish lineage are made to feel terrible for being Christians and not Judaizers. Being told that we have been corrupted - in effect that we are not of God. I have no problem with messianic believers worshiping God as they see fit. The problem is when they try to tell me that their way is the ONLY way.

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I have, like I told, no problem at all when Christians want to live a messianic life-style. It is good. BUT there is a danger that becausse of this life-style, the real messianic Jews won´t be taken seriously. And also... the orthodontics Jews will make no difference between messianic Christians and - Jews and that hurts!

Sabbath Shalom!

Noa

i am sure that noone really wants to hear this story, but i am going to tell you anyway.

when in school i knew this guy. he was of russian lineage but from vermont. in high school, he studdies russian and eventually changed his name to something russian.fine, to each their own.

turns out that he went to my church. he would stand in the middle of the church wearing a tallis, and during quiet prayer, he would chant in hebrew (rather distractingly). he wasnt jewish by law or by faith. 100% farm-bred christian.

IT DROVE ME INSANE! he was not jewish. i was raised to believe that the tallis was only something that jewish adults (having gone through a bar/bat mitvah) were allowed to wear. IT OFFENDED ME DEEPLY THAT HE WOULD WEAR SOMETHING SACRED TO ME. (plus he screw up the blessings over it and would let it touch the floor, but that is beside the point.) He butchered the hebrew too. it drove me crazy.

am not sure where i am going with this, but maybe i just wanted to share so that i finally be called a bumbling fool.

orthodontics Jews = jews who study orthodontic medicine.

I think it's a lack of understanding that Christians have of Messianics that make them feel intimidated or like Messianics are saying that you cannot be right if you don't do what we do.

Messianics are not saying that at all. Basically all Messianics do differently is that they believe in celebrating the holidays as listed in the bible rather than the pagan origin holidays of the Christian faith. And they embrace the Jewish hertiage in worshipping God.

Messianic congregations are FILLED with non-jewish people (Gentiles) and they welcome them with open arms. Gentiles that attend Messianic congregations are not limited to "following the law". Gentiles do have a choice..obviously because the bible says they do.

One can be a Christian and Be a Messianic at the same time. The basic definition of Christian is one that follows Jesus or Yeshua. So Messianics do that and so do Christians..so there really isn't a big difference except the rituals that are used for the most part..such as Messianics go to synaguoge on Sat. instead of Sunday like Christians.

Personally, I think it is possible to get along with eachother as long as everyone realizes we ALL have the same goal..and that is to live by grace through faith in Jesus (Yeshua). We are called to live in peace..and the bible says "let no divisions be among you".

Missy

Missy, It has been demonstrated and shown that the Christian holidays are NOT pagan in origins. They may share dates accidentally and on purpose with pagan feast but they ARE NOT in themselves pagan. If you care to discuss this issue, I am more than willing to refute the lies which claim that Christian holy days are pagan in origins. I have done it before and will continue so to do.

Pax et bonum.

BR.MAX, no thanks I have my evidence from being friends while in college with Pagans and also reading several pagan and christian books that I own. I have my personal opinion and it won't change..so a discussion would be fruitless. If you feel the need to refute something..that's your choice but it's not neccessary with me. I am fully persuaded in my own mind.

Take care,
Missy

Originally posted by MissytheButterfly
BR.MAX, no thanks I have my evidence from being friends while in college with Pagans and also reading several pagan and christian books that I own. I have my personal opinion and it won't change..so a discussion would be fruitless. If you feel the need to refute something..that's your choice but it's not neccessary with me. I am fully persuaded in my own mind.

Take care,
Missy

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Edited this post since it is in violation of rule #1 - No Flaming 

 

Let me start off by saying that I am new to this forum and not a moderator of any kind. Further, I know very little of Judaism and even less of Messianic Judiasm. However, if I were interested in but unsure of either, or Christianity for that matter, I believe this thread might have been enough to turn me away. I am familiar with the rules of this forum as a whole and of proper manners as a human being regardless of your faith. This is getting ridiculous. This fude that I see repeatedly between Br. Max and Charles is getting entirely out of hand. Both of you claim to be teachers or your faith yet as of these last few posts you are setting a very poor example for those you claim to teach. Likewise, you set no example for those who know little of either of your faiths. I am sorry but the final post was entirely out of line. There is no need to become so degrading, rude and (for lack of more polite term) crude.
Like I said, I am not a moderator and I hate to come off so harsh as a newbie, but in the words of my mother...you two better straighten it up or stay away from each other. I am 23 years old and can look at things and decern for myself whether or not you are acting appropriately. There are those younger though who do use this forum and I hate to think of how many of them that you two just ran off.
Yours in Christ,
Fred

You are quite correct Joseph. I would never post such a thing under normal conditions. I did so only to demonstrate the kind of obuse Br. Max is handing to so many including myself. Look at the post before mine, where he declares another believer as not saved because they differ in opinion with him. The sad thing is that Max has free reign and support on this forum.

I apologise for the crude lesson that I posted.
Please forgive me.
Charles