Zechariah 5: what does it mean?

Well, I've heard that they are seducing spirits which are female disembodied earthbound spirits of the children of the angels and women.

1Ti 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


Regarding the children of the angels and women:

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM


The passage in Zechariah says that the woman in the basket is wickedness. It is lifted above the earth and when a house has been built for it, it will be set in it's place. I think Shinar is technically North of Babylon....in Northern Iraq. It refers to where Nimrod ruled, if I recall correctly.
Anyway, if the two women are seducing spirits and the woman in the basket is a measure of wickedness which is lifted above the earth (principality of the air where the devil currently resides) until such a time as a house is built for it..I'm thinking that it is the "house" of the anti-christ and false prophet which is on the earth when the devil is cast down that will be destroyed according to what is written in the scroll (which appears to be the scroll of Rev 5/6 that Christ alone is worthy to open) in the preceding verses of that same passage.

Zec. 5 begins with giving us the size of a roll - that flies. 20 by 10 cubits
It is a curse that is looking for a house to enter.
It is going over the earth looking for that proper house to enter into.


If you look at the 20 by 10 part as referring to the size of the porch that was before the temple of God built by Solomon, you then can let this curse be on a house that destroyed that porch area.

As in Nebuchadnezzar's house of Shinar deserves this curse.

The problem is - Babylon's kingdom has already fallen to the Persians at this time. But the kingdom earned this 20 by 10 - so Shinar must rebuild. Shinar must get her house (palace - throne) back, so her house can be one day consumed as to even the timber and the stones of it.


1Kings 6:2
"And the house which king Solomon built for the LORD,..."
v3
"And the porch...twenty cubits...and ten cubits..."


As in Nebuchadnezzar entered God's house wickedly - so now the 20 by 10 curse must enter into a house in Shinar - that will eventually be consumed.


An ephah is seen to be returned to where it came from.
Shinar - set upon her own base.

Shinar was shattered - fallen to the Persian and the Medes - but the wind (which Daniel 2:35 shows carried pieces of empires - so as to look for a place) carries the ephah back to Shinar.
To do what?
build it an house

The part as to it shall be established leads us into chapter 6.

The rebuilding in the end day of the house in Shinar.

Zec. 5 seems to make this as to "by His name" as in they steal by where God's name is on the earth in Jerusalem.
In the days of Solomon God answered by fire that He has forever put His name on the holy site.


So Nebuchandezzar, Antiochus Epiphanes - and others have actually tread on the name of God wickedly.

Zec. 5 is showing us that God is very angry over the fact that His house - the holy temple - His palace - the place of His throne on the earth has been destroyed.

So - out goes the same size of a curse - the entryway dimensions - to hunt down the guilty party.
The result of this curse will be that the guily party's house will be consumed.
Just as the land of Shinar consumed God's house.

Enters now the second part of the chapter.
The resetting up of the guilty land's house. The house of Babylon was fallen at this time - but due to her sin at the holy site place - Babylon must be totally consumed.
even the timber
and the stones of it

Just as the temple of God was made with timber and stones.

So a house must rise again in Shinar.
It must get established.
but when?

storks wings - at the appointed time

Shinar is to rise again in her own land as a kingdom - at the appointed time.


Now read Jeremiah 25:11-13 and Isaiah 23:15.
Rev. 17 shows the beast carried the woman city.

Read also Jeremiah 50:1,12

Tyre will be the mother of harlots city - see also Zec. 9 as to she will be burned.


Sorry to get going - but I just signed on for a few miuntes - mostly because the news on tv didn't say anything as to whether Abbas is still over the Palestinian Authority or not. I didn't find much info on it on here either. Maybe he has till tomorrow.


Anyway, chapter 6 of Zec. begins to reveal to Zechariah when the stork - appointed time for the rising of Shinar will be.

When will that throne again be established?

at the mountains of brass time
brass- - meant the third empire time in Daniel 2

So - in the latter end of the Greek Empire will be the rising of the land of Shinar.

Just as Daniel 8 and 11 also show us - the little horn will come - the vile person will come from the empire that was under Alexnader the Great.

Let mountains - be kingdom material
- so now we need rulers

From between the mountains come horses of various descriptions.
These are showing the times of rulers.


As you can probably guess, I believe we are already on the seals.


the north country in chapter 6 - is Babylon

gjpogiatzis said:

What is this "house"? Is it referring to the U.S. Embassy now in Iraq, as Jen pointed out in the other related thread?

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I don't know if the embassy has anything to do with it but it's very suspicious, if you ask me, in light of George Bush 41's declaration of a New World Order and wanting to invade Iraq and George Bush 43's various moves to create/push the agenda of that New World Order and actually built a "house" in Shinar.

It's freaky.

In answer to your other question, it is my understanding that an ephah is a large measuring basket. I think Zech 5 is symbolically showing us exactly who's "house" the scroll of God (mentioned earlier in the same passage) destroys as well as gives us details about it all when we understand what's coming.

Zec. 6 - must carry on with the idea that a house (palace) will be built in Iraq's land.
Shinar - the area in Iraq between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers

build a house
it shall be established

What does that part mean?
Build the throne.
Start the kingdom of Shinar again.

So - begin for our day - the nation of Iraq.

the nation of the north country

6:6
"The black horses...go forth into the north country...and the white go forth after them..."
as in behind the black horses

So in the land of the north country (Babylon on the Euphrates River) sit black and white horses, just waiting for riders.
So only Iraq can set the riders.
- the north country place must set the riders on the horses


the north country

Jeremiah 46:10
"...in the north country by the river Euphrates."

10:22
...out of the north country to make the cities of Judah desolate..."

Zechariah 5:1-4 refers to a curse which could have gone forth from
God back in the time of the prophet Zechariah in the 6th century BC.

Zechariah 5:5-10 symbolizes the world's wickedness (Zechariah
5:6b,8a, compare 1 John 5:19).

Zechariah 5:11 could mean that the Antichrist (that Wicked,
2 Thessalonians 2:8a) will make a rebuilt Babylon (in Iraq) the
capital of the world during his 42-month world-reign, when the whole
world will become so wicked that it will worship the dragon Satan
and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18).

Since chapter 5 shows Shinar would rebuild her house - then couldn't chapter 6 be showing us the events that go on during that rebuiliding time?

white horses
black horses
(go where?)
to the north country ///Euphrates River land //Iraq


Shinar needs these horses for her nation to exist.

vinsight4u said:

Zec. 5 is showing us that God is very angry over the fact that His house - the holy temple - His palace - the place of His throne on the earth has been destroyed.

So - out goes the same size of a curse - the entryway dimensions - to hunt down the guilty party.
The result of this curse will be that the guily party's house will be consumed.
Just as the land of Shinar consumed God's house.

Enters now the second part of the chapter.
The resetting up of the guilty land's house. The house of Babylon was fallen at this time - but due to her sin at the holy site place - Babylon must be totally consumed.
even the timber
and the stones of it

Just as the temple of God was made with timber and stones.

So a house must rise again in Shinar.
It must get established.
but when?

storks wings - at the appointed time

Shinar is to rise again in her own land as a kingdom - at the appointed time.

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I agree that the Scales of Justice must be brought back into balance.


Since in 688 BC, Babylon was guilty of consuming God's house (Jer 52:13)

Then the Scales of Justice demands that Babylon too must be consumed, even the timber and stones of it.


So, Babylon must rise again, and at the appointed time, will fall again.

Jeremiah prophesies that Babylon will be the last of the nations to fall (Jer 25:26).


Bob Frantz

The Book of Zechariah is a yet unfilled prophecy for the end times.

The things in Zechariah, are things which will occur following both the 70 weeks of Daniel and the 70 years of Jeremiah.

This chronology can be deduced from what was said in Daniel 9:2-3 and 9:22-23, and by the reference in Zechariah to the 70 years of Jerusalem's desolation (Zech 1:12).



In Daniel 9:2-3, Daniel fasted and prayed, in sackcloth and ashes, to understand Jeremiah's prophecy concerning the 70 years of desolation that Jerusalem must still undergo (Jer 25:11).

At the time of Daniel's prayer, the Jews had already been in Babylon exile for about 70 years.
So I suppose Daniel was now wondering how this 70 year exile might tie in with Jeremiah's 70 year prophecy.

While Daniel was still praying, the angel Gabriel appeared to him, in answer to his prayer for understanding, concerning Jeremiah's 70 years of desolation (Dan 9:22-23)

In essence, Gabriel told Daniel that before fulfillment of Jeremiah's 70 years prophecy would come, there would first be 70 weeks of years to come for the people of Israel (Dan 9:24-27)



Now fast forward about 10 years or so to Zechariah's prophecy.
Here the Jews are still in Babylon, but now their presence there takes on prophetic significance for the end time.

So, the things prophesied in Zechariah are some of the things we can expect to see occurring, following both Daniel's 70 weeks of years, and Jeremiah's 70 years of desolation for Jerusalem (see Zech 1 & 2):

1. The Jews exiled in Babylon, will repent and turn from their evil ways.
2. The whole earth will be tranquil and at rest.
3. Jerusalem and the cities of Judah will have been desolate for 70 years as prophesied by Jeremiah (Jer 25:11)
4. The LORD now promises to rebuild His house and prosper the cities of Israel and Jerusalem.
5. The Lord is angry and promises to cast down the horns of the nations that scattered the land of Judah.
6. Jerusalem will now be rebuilt, as open country, without walls, and the LORD will be an encircling wall of fire.
7. The LORD promises to be the glory in the midst of Jerusalem.
8. The Jews scattered throughout the world and Babylon, will rise and escape to Zion.
9. The Lord Jesus, having been sent by his Father, will be present.
10. The LORD tells Zion to sing and rejoice because He is coming to dwell among them.

Bob Frantz

saint2
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The things in Zechariah, are things which will occur following both the 70 weeks of Daniel and the 70 years of Jeremiah.

This chronology can be deduced from what was said in Daniel 9:2-3 and 9:22-23, and by the reference in Zechariah to the 70 years of Jerusalem's desolation (Zech 1:12).

your post

me
Hooray for you! I have tried and tried to get people to consider those verses. Daniel 9:2 is where Daniel has been reading the prophecy of Jeremiah 25:11-12 and knows that something must happen to bring the end of a Babylonian king time to its conclusion.

The Babylonian kings have had from 605 B.C. to when Cyrus came and killed their king in 539 B.C. - yet that won't work for Jeremiah 25:11-12 as passed then too.
Daniel knew this - he begins to supplicate over understanding just how the 70 years for Babylon will ever get done.

Gabriel will come - due to when Daniel began to supplicate. Tells him "At the beginning of thy supplications..."

So that links the end of Daniel 9 right up with the start of the chapter - Daniel began to supplicate over the 70 years of Babylonian kings and - Gabriel comes to help him understand that Jeremiah's prophecy of 70 years blends into the time of a much much longer prophecy of 70 weeks.

At the end of the time - this supplicated over "he" becomes the same "he" in Daniel 9:27.


Daniel 9:2
"...he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem."

v 27
"And he shall...."
How long will this "he" desolate?
"until the consummation"

Until the end of the Jeremiah time that has yet to be finished for Babylonian kings to rule the world.



You wrote:
In Daniel 9:2-3, Daniel fasted and prayed, in sackcloth and ashes, to understand Jeremiah's prophecy concerning the 70 years of desolation that Jerusalem must still undergo (Jer 25:11).

At the time of Daniel's prayer, the Jews had already been in Babylon exile for about 70 years.


me:
right - and Daniel was concerned over that they were several years shy of that 70 years of under Babylonian kings

he supplicates

(605 - 539 B.C.)
is all that Babylon has completed of those 70 years that must come - where Israel serves Babylonian kings

Daniel 9:24
"...to finish the trangression..."

To get to the end of the time of Babylon desolating Jerusalem, it will take putting it within the 70 weeks prophecy.


you wrote:
I suppose Daniel was now wondering how this 70 year exile might tie in with Jeremiah's 70 year prophecy.

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me:
Daniel wanted to come to understand what the timing is for the rest of Jeremiah's 70 years of Babylonian kings rule the world and then - the Babylonian king fall from power.

So Gabriel came - and shows him a prophecy. What else I notice about this section is - that just before Daniel gets told about the 70 weeks of years -

he is told "consider the vision"

What bugs me is that this chapter does not contain a vision - as neither does chapter 11.

Daniel 9:23
"...understand the matter, and consider the vision..."

11:14
"And in those times there shall many stand up agains the king of the south...robbers...to establish the vision."


It seems that Daniel is to link another vision shown to him in both of these places.

Gabriel never told him that when he says "weeks" it means - >>>>
but seems to lead Daniel into - if he thinks about a vision that was shown to him - this prophecy as to weeks will be understood more.

So - I say - here enters the time of Daniel must take into consideration the vision of Daniel 10:1 - where he then mourned for three full weeks.
(so three weeks of being in sorrow)
should be - placed within the time of the 70 weeks

as - the time of Titus - that was determined in v 26
ends-

"unto the end of the war desolations are determined"

then - enters in way down in the future -
the three full weeks of sorrow - for Daniel 10:1

- the world now knows - the time of the beginning of sorrows will last 21 years

then enters soon - the man of sin - as the "he" that is Babylonian and brings in the end of the Jeremiah 25:11 prophecy.

9:27
'And he shall confirm the covenant...desolate...until the consummation...that determined..."

"determined"

This is when the final Babylonian (today's Iraq land) king will fall soon.

And so too end the time of the next verse of Jeremiah 25.

v 12
"And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I punish the king of Babylon..."

"the land of the Chaldeans"

The man of sin must come from Iraq.
This man will be the "he" of Daniel 9:27.
The "he' that finshes the calendar time left for the rule of Babylonian kings.

Hello Bob

I see you gave us your name, so I'll let you use mine too, if you'd like.

from Valerie

I'm still reading your posts over and over - so hang in there, as I'm not going to comment on the whole deal yet - but just key in on certain parts of what you wrote.


We agree that Jeremiah 25:11-13 is not going to be concluded till the days of the 70 weeks - the final week of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:27.
to use your phrasing - The world "must still undergo"
the rest of Jeremiah's 25:11's time.
You also noted that the Babylonian king (king of Sheshach) is the last to get punished.
as - all of the nations must be done drinking from her cup of wrath on them - before the king of Sheshach will drink and be punished.

One more thing I want to be sure to mention in Jeremiah 25 is that we can know for absolute certainty that a king such as Cyrus or Darius could not play the role on the calendar time of Babylon's 70 years,

because

Jeremiah 25:17
"Then I took the cup at the LORD's , and made all the nations to drink..."
v 18
"...Jerusalem...and the kings thereof..."
v 19
"Pharaoh king of Egypt..."
v 25
"...kings of Elam, and the kings of the Medes."

v 26
""And all the kings of the north, far and near...all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth...the king of Sheshach shall drink after them."


Jeremiah 51:41
"How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!"


You mentioned as to Babylon being due the "scales of justice" for her destruction of God's temple in Jerusalem.



Ezra 5:12
"...into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house..."


Here's what God thought Neb owed for the people of Israel's own stuff.
Jeremiah 15:13
"Thy substance and thy treasures will I give to the spoil without price..."

but - God's stuff is not to be taken by other nations in a wicked way

His holy temple in Jerusalem Babylon owes for.


I want to add the way that I see the time of the Jewish Babylonian captivity of the past.

Nebuchadneezzar ruled - and other Babylonian kings followed - till Cyrus the Persian in 539 B.C. - then he rules for three years - and then Darius began his first year - then Cyrus rules again - gets noted in the Bible as being his first year - and he tells the Jews that want to go back and build God's house again at His place - can do so.

About 12 years later - the Jews still (in the days of Zechariah) still haven't finished the temple of God.
Zechariah is shown events to encourage the people to rebuild it completely; for one day the BRANCH will rule from that very site.

So we agree - the 20 by 10 cubits part of Zec. 5 has to do with the size of the porch that was before the temple that Solomon built?

(1 Kings 6:3)


That place was crossed wickedly by Nebuchadnezzar, that means the same size of curse is now due on his land of Shinar.

Babylon was the place that in Zec. 5 - the curse was hunting for.

"it shall enter into the house"
"it shall remain in the midst of his house"

Only problem is - the house in Babylon was shattered by the Persians.

For this curse to enter into the right house - a house must get built in Shinar.

Do we agree this means - palace
as in - the kingdom must rise again in Shinar?

So - off the wind goes - to carry the ephah back to Shinar

Shinar still has time left to rule - but the curse is due on her land.

I take the part at the end of Zec. 5 and see it leading us smoothly into chapter 6.

"build an house"
"it shall be established"

Okay, when is this cursed house coming on the earth?

The time of the mountains of brass.

6:1
"four chariots came from between two mountains...of brass."


horses - come from a kingdom that was made of brass

= the third empire of Daniel 2

So - we are to expect the appointed time of Shinar to rise when the last days of the Greek Empire area begin to unfold.

Then will begin the roles of the various horses in the north country.
(Babylon)

Zec. 5 ends with how the house will be established.

To do that, we need white horses.

Do you think Zec. 5 and 6 are linked together as one unfolding story?

How about?
Could this be a section of the Bible to help us understand the seals of Revelation?

Such as - Rev. 6 is the appointed time of the rising of Shinar?

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Vinsight, 1 Kings 6:3 is certainly related to Zec. 5. Can we make the connection clearer? What is the significance of the porch of Solomon's house being represented by the tub of the woman of wickedness & landing in a house in Shinar? That the wickedness which will be & is in Babylon the Great is the same wickedness that dwelt in Solomon's house at times?

10Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

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I just want to clarify that the 20 by 10 cubits is the size of the temple porch - not Solomon's house's.
The porch before that temple was 20 by 10 cubits and Nebuchadnezzar took no heed as to this is the place of the name of God - His holy site, the place of His throne.

So - one day - Nebuchadnezzar's land must pay for the curse that ancient king has made due his land. The size of the porch is seeking out, so to speak - the place or places that caused its destruction.

Over the earth that 20 by 10 cubits consumption curse hunts and hunts for the ones that destroyed it.
Shinar is guily - but this curse requires it to enter the land via a house, so the curse will come - after the house is built.

once the kingdom of Shinar has a throne of her own again

The curse will eventually lodge right in it and just wait till the rest of Babylon's prophecies come to pass - then this curse will consume Babylon's house.

What does it mean to "establish".?

establish a house in Shinar


Deuteronomy 28:9 - as to Israel
"The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself..."

29:13
"That he may esgtablish thee to day for a people unto himself..."

2 Samuel 7:12
"...I will set up thy seed after thee...and I will establish his kingdom."
v 13
"He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."

v 25
"....concerning his house, establish it for ever..."



1 Kings 9:5
"Then will I establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel...a man upon the throne..."


2 Chronicles 9:8
"...Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them..."


So - For the end of Zechariah chapter 5 to come to pass - someone must be made king over Shinar.



Job 36:7
"He withdraweth not his eyes from the righteous: but with kings are they on the throne, yea, he doth establish them...they are exalted.'


Ezekiel 36:17
"Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land..."


house

Strong's
1004 bayith (bah'-yith);
probably from 1129 abbreviated; a house (in the greatest variation of applications, especially family, etc.):
KJV-- court, daughter, door, + dungeon, family, + forth of, X great as would contain, hangings, home [born], [winter] house (-hold), inside (-ward), palace, place, + prison, + steward, + tablet, temple, web, + within (-out).


Brown-Driver-Briggs
1004 bayith-
1) a house
a) a house, a dwelling habitation
b) a shelter or an abode of animals
c) human bodies (figurative)
d) used of Sheol
e) used of the abode of light and darkness
f) used of the land of Ephraim
2) a place
3) a receptacle
4) a home, a house as containing a family
5) a household, a family
a) those belonging to the same household
b) a family of descendants, descendants as organized body
6) household affairs
7) inwards (metaphorical)
8) Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament: temple
as an adverb:
9) on the inside
as a preposition:
10) within



establish
Strong's
3559 kuwn (koon);
a primitive root; properly, to be erect (i.e. stand perpendicular); hence (causatively) to set up, in a great variety of applications, whether literal (establish, fix, prepare, apply), or figurative (appoint, render sure, proper or prosperous):
KJV-- certain (-ty), confirm, direct, faithfulness, fashion, fasten, firm, be fitted, be fixed, frame, be meet, ordain, order, perfect, (make) preparation, prepare (self), provide, make provision, (be, make) ready, right, set (aright, fast, forth), be stable, (e-) stablish, stand, tarry, X very deed.



Brown-Driver-Briggs
3559 kuwn-
to be firm, to be stable, to be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, to be established, to be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, to be stable, to be secure, to be enduring
c) to be fixed, to be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, to be fixed aright, to be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, to be ready
4) to be prepared, to be arranged, to be settled
b) (Hiphil)
1) to establish, to set up, to accomplish, to do, to make firm
2) to fix, to make ready, to prepare, to provide, to provide for, to furnish
3) to direct toward (a moral sense)
4) to arrange, to order
c) (Hophal)
1) to be established, to be fastened
2) to be prepared, to be ready
d) (Polel)
1) to set up, to establish
2) to constitute, to make
3) to fix
4) to direct
e) (Pulal) to be established, to be prepared
f) (Hithpolel) to be established, to be restored

(definitions are from - PC BibleStudy on CD

Wow, Valerie, your posts made me realize that I know far less than I thought I knew, lol.

I've got a lot of studying to do before I can even begin to coordinate and untangle the related items in the books of Jeremiah, Daniel and Zechariah concerning the mysteries of Babylon (Sheshach), and the conclusion thereof.

Please forgive that I cannot respond more intelligently to your several posts. I just don't know the answer to these things and I prefer not to speculate too much.

Now does "Jeremiah's prophecy of 70 years blends into the time of a much much longer prophecy of 70 weeks", or does Jeremiah's 70 years FOLLOW immediately after Daniel's 70 weeks?

I thought the latter case was true, that Jeremiah's 70 years immediately followed after Daniel's 70 weeks, but that's speculation on my part, based upon Zech 1:12. But I really don't know at this time.

vinsight4u said:

I just want to clarify that the 20 by 10 cubits is the size of the temple porch - not Solomon's house's.
The porch before that temple was 20 by 10 cubits and Nebuchadnezzar took no heed as to this is the place of the name of God - His holy site, the place of His throne.

So - one day - Nebuchadnezzar's land must pay for the curse that ancient king has made due his land. The size of the porch is seeking out, so to speak - the place or places that caused its destruction.

Over the earth that 20 by 10 cubits consumption curse hunts and hunts for the ones that destroyed it.
Shinar is guily - but this curse requires it to enter the land via a house, so the curse will come - after the house is built.

once the kingdom of Shinar has a throne of her own again

The curse will eventually lodge right in it and just wait till the rest of Babylon's prophecies come to pass - then this curse will consume Babylon's house.

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Yes, there does seem to be a correspondence between the 20 by 10 temple porch and the 20 by 10 curse. No real proof though, so it's open to speculation based upon the biblical hints given to us. But I have little doubt that there will be a literal kingdom of Babylon that will yet rise on the scene, and God's wrath will consume it, even the timber and stones of it.

I hope to get back with you on this when I have more understanding.

Bob Frantz

vinsight4u posted in message #11 of this thread:

Since chapter 5 shows Shinar would rebuild her house

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Greetings.

Note that Zechariah 5 doesn't say that Shinar will rebuild her house,
but that a temple (house) for wickedness will be built in Shinar
(Zechariah 5:8,11). The Antichrist is "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians
2:8), so Zechariah 5:8,11 could mean that the Antichrist will have a
temple built to himself in Shinar (in Iraq) after he takes power over
the world and proclaims himself God and everyone worships him
(Revelation 13:7-8).

But, at the same time, the Antichrist could also declare his empire a
revival of the ancient empire of Babylon, one of the five empires
which had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century
(Revelation 17:8-11). The Antichrist could even make the literal
rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) his world capital, and declare that
he is Nebuchadnezzar (and Nimrod) returned.

vinsight4u posted in message #11 of this thread:

then couldn't chapter 6 be showing us the events that go on during
that rebuiliding time?

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Zechariah 6:1-8 could have occurred back in the time of Zechariah,
just as Zechariah 6:10-11 occurred back in the time of Zechariah.

vinsight4u posted in message #14 of this thread:

The man of sin must come from Iraq.

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Actually, nothing requires that the Antichrist has to come from Iraq.
He could come from Lebanon, from the city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2, cf.
2 Thessalonians 2:4).