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This perplexes me. At least in Orthodoxy, the fullness of Christianity, we are often reminded that the life of a Christian, the life of following Christ, is one of suffering. But why? I don't get it. I mean, I know for our salvation, etc. But I still don't get it. I look at everything I want but cannot have(marriage and family), which to me even seem harmless (as opposed to wanting to be a inappropriate content star or a bloodthirsty dictator, for example), and think "This will make me happy." Happy, obviously, not being in a perfect state of total bliss. It doesn't exist on this Earth. But, relatively, generally, despite hard times that makes me stronger, I would be relatively happy with these simple things I want. So why can't I have them? Because I am trying to enter into Christ's Church.

But it doesn't make me happy. Suffering is embraced in the Church, and She acknowledges that it will be abundant and unto our salvation.

But... is it really so wrong to want to be happy in this life? As an American teenager, so many of the songs and movies and all sorts of media really focus on "Live life and be happy. Do what makes you happy, and live life to the fullest." Etc. Is it really so bad to want to have fun and be happy in this life? I mean, all of my atheist/agnostic friends are relatively happy, enjoy life, and have fun, and live life to its fullest - even in spite of hardships, etc. So I look around and think, "Why openly dive headfirst into suffering? Why not just life my life and be happy? Is that so wrong?"

I hope this makes sense... :sorry:
 

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Please believe me when I say that you can be happy while suffering - my last year has been hell on earth and it will continue this year as well :(

Despite this I am happy and fulfilled , though I'll admit I'm tired as I have never been tired before, and I'm afraid for the future but at the same time I am happy.
 
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During the Funeral Hymns we sing
Where is the pleasure in life which is unmixed with sorrow? Where the glory which on earth has stood firm and unchanged? All things are weaker than shadow, all more illusive than dreams; comes one fell stroke, and Death in turn, prevails over all these vanities. Wherefore in the Light, O Christ, of Your countenance, the sweetness of Your beauty, to him (her) whom You have chosen grant repose, for You are the Friend of Mankind.

Ponder it.

http://www.goarch.org/chapel/liturgical_texts/funeral2
 
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True, we suffer. When Christ bids us to come follow, He bids us to come and die with Him. He says to take up your cross. The joy of the life in Christ is a different beast altogether when you compare it to mere eudaemonia. Even in the life you would rather have, you would suffer, you would have pain. The moments of contentment you seek could just as well be fewer and further between than in the life of Christ - or maybe not, who knows? Your depression may be a mental illness and no matter how you live you may be beset with it. Ain't that a real kick in the head? You seem to have some idea of Christianity as a masochistic delusion and the secular life as all unicorns and rainbows. Both are wrong. You can't know how life will be until you live it, and even then it could be twenty years before you can evaluate how 2009 really went for you. You can't romanticize lives you haven't yet lived. Romanticism is terrible pattern of thought, whether you choose a monastery or a brothel because of it. You will suffer no matter what choice you make. Life is pain. Everything else is uncertain. Suck it up and be a man. Live your life without regrets, whether that means the monastery or the brothel (metaphorically, I don't know whether you're suited for either). But those who choose the former (metaphorically) aren't just sitting around sucking lemons and relishing the pain.
 
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Why suffer? This may answer your question..



The Fruits of Pain


1.Sanctification and Salvation

The fruit of pain and of the death of Christ on the tree(wood) of the cross
is the redemption and salvation that was offered to us.
Pain is the seed that falls in the plowed soul,and grows and bears fruits
"in patience";the fruits are the sanctification and the salvation.
Without plowing and sowing there is no produce,nor harvest.
But in order to arrive at the harvest,we must pass through the
sieve of the test of tribulations,slanders,and persecutions(Luke22;31)
From the fruit,the benefit and blessing of pain shall
become evident.
Because the fruit displays the quality and thoughts of the heart.
When pain is rejected,and its benefits are not valued,it may
"bear fruit of death",while it should and must "bear fruit to God'(Rom.7;4 ff.)

Then it bears the grapes of salvation and not wild grapes(Isa.5;1-7),
that is,denial and alienation.
Our union with Christ through pain should be fruitful and fertile.

Perhaps before we were in pain we might not have had
fruits of virtue and love,or probably very few.
Our Christ is the great Father and unique farmer of our souls,
who tests''the hearts and minds",and cultivates us with the plow of pain
and purges us as the "vine that bears fruit".
This happens so that we also "may bear more fruit"(John 15;2) of
love,patience,goodness,faith,hope,sanctification,and salvation.
This purification does not happen only once.
It happens continuously,so that we may bring forth fruit an"Hundredfold".

Pruning is painful to the tree,but necessary for its fruition and welfare;
Dry and Dead branches are cut off.

This is the Godly method for our salvation and our redemption,that is,
the overabundance of virtue.
But this presupposes our constant catharsis through pain and patience(Luke 8'15)
Then there will come"the fruits of righteousness,which are by
Jesus Christ to the glory and praise of God(Phil.1;11;,John15;8)
Because wisdom and the cultivation given by pain become the source of life,
that is,the source of love.
Love is life itself,since"God is love(1john4;8)and"the fruit of the righteous is
a tree of life(Prov.John11;30)

Thus pain becomes love that is produced by the power of Christ.
This love that sanctifies and saves is multiplied,it is the love that evolves
into all kinds of virtues((Gal.5;22 ff.)
This love that ripens via suffering is a "sweet fruit".,but not only to our taste
(Song of Songs 2;3), but primarily to the heart;it is the love of salvation,of
Sanctification,of redemption.
It is an expiated love,cleansed in the fire of pain.
And when the soul is purified by tribulation and pain,then it is like a bed of
flowers,full of the aroma of the Spirit.
Then it is prepared,ready to receive the beloved Lord Jesus.
And He,the most beloved One,will come down"To His garden and eat of its choicest
Fruits"(Song of Songs 4;16).


Thus in the midst of pain and through the Holy Spirit,
the believer shares the divine holiness itself.
Because when the soul is purified by tribulation,the Lord Jesus gives it sanctification.
And furthermore,He gives it his glory that He recieved from the Father.
"And for their sake i consecrate Myself,that they also may be consecrated in truth"
(John 17;19).

But also the Lord Himself shall "be glorified in His saints"(11 Thess.1;10,2'14).
Thus a Christian,broken and contrite from pain,yet reinforced by his faith and his
love for Christ,enters gradually"into the sanctuary of God"(Ps.72;17)
He learns how to accept pain as the revelation of a divine plan that leads to redemption
and sanctification,to salvation and deification.
He discovers its purifying value,which is similar to the fire
that cleans and purifies the metal from its rust(Jer.9;7,Ps64;10).

Taken from "The Pain"( Apostoliki Diakonia)
 
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This perplexes me.

As well it should. It flies in the face of everything the rational world tells us. That's part of why obedience is so important.

At least in Orthodoxy, the fullness of Christianity, we are often reminded that the life of a Christian, the life of following Christ, is one of suffering.

Yes. We carry the word of the Cross, and if we do not take up our cross and follow after Christ we are not worthy of Him.

But why? I don't get it.

Several reasons come to mind.
  1. Obedience: Our Lord commands it, and we obey. Even if nothing else I say makes any sense (and that very well might be the case), this alone is sufficient: Christ is God. God in His revelation of Himself said that we must take up our cross (suffer), and He revealed the fullness of His love through suffering on the cross. He who endures to the end will be saved.
  2. Real Life: suffering is a reality. We can't go through life without suffering, as that is part of this world and this existence. Enduring suffering in faith is easier if you know up front to expect it and how to handle it (faith in God's providence and faithful endurance with thanksgiving).
  3. Faith: suffering forces us to give our total self to God and God alone. It is easy to be faithful in times that are fun and good. Perhaps then it is harder to be mindful of God (we tend to take the good in our life for granted). God may let us suffer for a time to strengthen our faith. A faith that has been tested by fire and can still say "thank you!" and "Thy will be done" is a faith that can last for eternity. The suffering is an opportunity to be grateful to God.
  4. Solidarity: Christ suffered, and by that suffering He entered into suffering and united it to life. For those in Christ, suffering is no more. Rather, it has been transfigured by the light of the cross and the resurrection. When we suffer, we are WITH Christ. If my whole heart desires Him, that can be nothing other than pure joy. The opportunity to suffer in faith (as suffering is inevitable in this life) gives me joy, for behold, Christ has overcome the world.
  5. Asceticism: we are egotistical creatures. We want what we want when we want it and how we want it. And if we don't get it, we whine about it, cry about it, get angry, get vindictive, get greedy, or take what we want. We are SLAVES OF OUR EGO. SLAVES. It controls us. It compels us to do things we DON'T want to do, and afterwords (because we didn't WANT to do them) it gives us the sadness that leads to death (self-loathing guilt) which is totally at odds with the joyful contrition of a Christian. Suffering KILLS the ego and LIBERATES us from our selfishness. When we continuously don't get what we want, we learn to be content without it. When the ego isn't fed, it dies. As it dies, our true self - the image of God in us - comes to life and is set free. THIS is the LIBERTY of the Gospel, and there is no way to kill the ego except through suffering - through the cross. Rebirth requires death, and all death is painful. If we expect to not experience this pain, we are delusional as to the true state of our souls.
  6. Justice: I cannot speak for you here, as I don't know you. But as for me, I fully deserve the suffering I recieve. Indeed, the fact that I do not suffer more is more likely a sign that I'm not worthy of that suffering (of that unity with Christ) or unable to handle it (as lacking faith). But my sin, my CHOICE to REJECT God, warrants all the suffering life has for me. I have victimized my brothers and sisters, I have been selfish, lustful, prideful, demanding, haughty, self-promoting, slothful, gluttonous, and all other manners of sinful. Every moment of non-suffering I experience is nothing short of a miracle of God's mercy. As often as I pray "Lord have mercy," more often then that does God pour His mercy on me.
Those are a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head. The most important are faith, solidarity, and asceticism (as well as reality).

Way of the Ascetics (by Tito Colliander) puts it very very well when it states:
Naked, small and helpless, you now pass on to the most difficult of all human tasks: to conquer your own selfish desires. Ultimately it is just this "self-persecution" on which your warfare depends, for as long as your selfish will rules, you cannot pray to the Lord with a pure heart: Thy will be done." If you cannot get rid of your own greatness, neither can you lay yourself open for real greatness. If you cling to your own freedom, you cannot share in true freedom, where only one will reigns. The saints' great secret it is this: do not seek freedom, and freedom will be given to you.

I mean, I know for our salvation, etc. But I still don't get it. I look at everything I want but cannot have(marriage and family), which to me even seem harmless (as opposed to wanting to be a inappropriate content star or a bloodthirsty dictator, for example),

You're right. They are good things - good and beautiful. You affirm what God Himself affirms when He attended the wedding at Cana and sanctioned marriage in the garden. Marriage is an icon of the Kingdom, of Christ and the Church, of the very Eucharistic union we share with Christ and by which our life is renewed.

and think "This will make me happy."

No. It won't. And that is exactly the motive (and mode of thought) which asceticism seeks to help liberate us from. So long as "happy" is the criterion by which we judge our decisions, we will NEVER be satisfied. Even if we GET what we want IT WON'T LAST. And we know that; and that knowledge gnaws at us and takes the satisfaction out of those things.

Don't ask what will make you happy. Ask what it is that God would have you do, and DO the NEXT right thing. Obedience liberates you from ego and self-centeredness, and, once emptied of that self (a process which is painful) you can be FILLED BY GOD HIMSELF in a mystic unity that surpasses ANY earthly "happiness" you might seek.

Seek first the Kingdom of GOD - not the Kingdom of happy. Let God worry about what happiness or sadness He puts into your life. You just say "thank you!" and "Thy will be done." That's what it means to take up your cross. Even Christ Himself had to say "God, please take this from me, yet not MY will but THY will be done."

Are we better than Christ that we should say otherwise?

Happy, obviously, not being in a perfect state of total bliss. It doesn't exist on this Earth.

It does in Christ. Dying to yourself through the cross, and being filled with Christ in the sacraments and the life of prayer and of love... this is true joy. And it is eternal, and ALL the suffering in the world CANNOT rob you of it, because that joy is FORGED in suffering and is BUILT by ENDURING suffering. It is as eternal as God is, because it isn't your joy, nor is it manufactured joy, it is JOY ITSELF united to you in God's grace by the Holy Spirit.

But, relatively, generally, despite hard times that makes me stronger, I would be relatively happy with these simple things I want. So why can't I have them? Because I am trying to enter into Christ's Church.

Yes. If you endure this, you win the crown of a martyr. Go and read St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Romans; he had the spirit of a martyr, and it may encourage you.

Christianity starts with death, and death sucks. But you die to a lesser, transient thing that you may aquire a greater thing, a pearl of great price if you will.

But it doesn't make me happy. Suffering is embraced in the Church, and She acknowledges that it will be abundant and unto our salvation.

But... is it really so wrong to want to be happy in this life?

It's not wrong at all, but you have to recognize the importance of denying that desire in order to gain what you truly desire: God.

It doesn't matter whether the desire is for a hamburger during Lent or something perpetual like the desire for physical intimacy outside of marriage (with someone of the same sex or the opposite gender, either one). Desire, if fed, grows stronger. And as the voice of our desires screams louder, we hear the voice of God less and less.

As an American teenager, so many of the songs and movies and all sorts of media really focus on "Live life and be happy. Do what makes you happy, and live life to the fullest."

Then stop listening to the culture of this world, and listen instead to the hymnity of the Kingdom of God - the Church hymnity.

If that will help, then meditate on those things that ease the desire, rather than inflaming it by listening to a culture that is totally at odds with the struggle you are undertaking.

Would it help an athlete to look at a magazines on how to eat rich food and live an easy life? Would it help a star musician to work on carpentry and risk cutting off a finger? No one who takes on a job puts themselves into a situation that makes their job harder. That's just pragmatic. Don't make this harder than it already is. The cross is heavy enough without hanging stones on it or inviting people NOT carrying crosses to walk with you and mock you as you go (though Christ had to deal with that too).

Etc. Is it really so bad to want to have fun and be happy in this life? I mean, all of my atheist/agnostic friends are relatively happy, enjoy life, and have fun, and live life to its fullest - even in spite of hardships, etc. So I look around and think, "Why openly dive headfirst into suffering? Why not just life my life and be happy? Is that so wrong?"

I don't know if the above helps at all... Please forgive me for any offense I have caused. My desire is to show you love in Christ, though I know I often fail at that. As always, talk to your priest. Face to face... love is meant to be INCARNATE and PERSONAL (like our Lord). You don't have to walk alone in this.

I hope this makes sense... :sorry:

It makes a LOT of sense. You are not alone.

With love,
Your brother in Christ,
Macarius
 
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You will suffer if you enter the Church and you will suffer if you stay in the world. Suffering is a universal experience of all humankind. Starving children in Africa suffer, Chinese who won't follow the party line suffer, Palestinians (Muslim and Christian suffer), Afghan widows and orphans suffer, sick people suffer, etc. etc. People who have lost their homes, jobs and health insurance in America suffer. Depressed people suffer. Insecure people suffer. The happiest person you know right now will suffer at some point in his or her life. That is the way it is on this side of paradise.

But people who suffer outside of the Christianity do not have the comfort of knowing that their God is intimately aquainted with suffering. When I suffer, I can look to Christ and know that He really understands my pain because He has suffered infinitely more than I have. And more importantly, Christ proves to me that my suffering is not in vain if I allow it to draw me closer to God and become more like Him. I know that I will come out on the other side of this pain and be lifted up.

This is theosis, this is salvation. My suffering is not pointless. It has a purpose.

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. "I look at everything I want but cannot have(marriage and family), which to me even seem harmless (as opposed to wanting to be a inappropriate content star or a bloodthirsty dictator, for example), and think "This will make me happy." Happy, obviously, not being in a perfect state of total bliss. It doesn't exist on this Earth. "

First of all..........ALL SINS are the same............so being a inappropriate content star, a blood thirsty dictator, or a homosexual in a gay marriage does not matter. So you need to stop comparing what you want and how you want to live as being "OK"---just because it seems like the lesser of two evils, because it is not!

Second of all...........who says marriage is ever a 24/7 complete happiness? It is not! Don't get me wrong..........I love my husband and thank God for him, but marriage is at it's easiest........TOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has its ups and downs, easy times and rough times (throw stress into that mixture too)! Marriage brings many emotions........happiness, sadness, excitement, disappointment, etc., etc., etc. It is not something you take lightly and jump into thinking "this will make me happy"! It is a commitment to one another through everything that life bestows on them. Marriage is a Sacrament and also eternal!
 
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Something else Justin:
Living outside of God's way has consequences. I don't know exactly what those would be for you. But I do know from my own experience that when I do something not in accord with God's way that I think will make me happy, satisfied, whatever, there are always consequences. I don't mean that God is out to punish me. These are natural consequenses that follow acting on sinful impulses.

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I don't really have any response right now. The answers from all of y'all have been immensely helpful.

I do want to clarify, and perhaps I didn't do a good job of it in the OP - I KNOW that the "real world" entails suffering. I know that even relatively happy atheist people suffer. Part of life is suffering. But their philosophy of life seems so good - "Live life to its fullest, have fun, and be happy." As opposed to mine - "Suffer a lot b/c you love God so you can make it to heaven."

I've noticed that my problem is... I see all of the worldly suffering as worth it. All of the trials and hardships, for example, of marriage... it's WORTH it. All the tears, all the agony, is WORTH it for marriage and for that one person you love. While I seem to view God as NOT worth it. Maybe this is because a person is more tangible and real... I dunno.
 
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One is only as happy as they wish to be! You can choose to be miserable and hold a grudge because you can not live the life you want OR you can choose to be happy and deal with the circumstances before you. You can wallow in self-pity the rest of your life or you can pick up your cross and move along!
 
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Well, like I said, you've got both of the philosophies wrong. We're not telling you not to be happy, not to be joyous, not to live life to its fullest. But we do say that, through the cross, joy has come into the world, the only possible joy. We're not telling you to take on suffering, we are saying that you will suffer and that life is painful and that you cannot simply drown it with cheap eudaemonia bought with sin. That's only a distraction. Few people really want to be happy.
 
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Because, Justin, we are fallen humans and we want things that are not good for us and are contrary to our spiritual development. We desire sin, and rationalise anything and everything in this world to get it. Lucifer appears as an angel of light. Things that we desire may seem good on the surface, but beneath it all, there is only emptiness - at the end of all things, this will all be plain to us, and we will understand that whatever temporal earthly fulfillment that we received by chasing our sinful desires was certainly not worth it. Not by a long shot.

I don't believe that doing something wrong with good intentions is "okay", and it certainly isn't beneficial. Living according to our sinful ways, even if we think everything is peachy keen, will never be beneficial, even if we feel superficially happy.

You admit yourself that your perspective is skewed. Human lives come and go on this earth. Humans die; we die. All things are transient here. Yes, a God whom we do not see and touch and feel right in front of us may be difficult to love, especially for someone young. But that does not make transferring all of our hopes, dreams, desires, and affection solely on to humans "okay".

Human love is nothing in comparison to God's love for mankind, which is why you ought to look at human love and wonder at how much greater, more permanent, more fulfilling God's love for us must be.

Yes, it's extremely difficult. But no one said it was going to be easy. This life is full of pain because sin has entered the world and darkened everything it has touched. Perhaps you will understand in time, once you advance in your years and experience more of the fullness of life, just how suffering can be a blessing, and a means to grow closer to Christ, who suffered and died so that we may have life.
 
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Personally, I always distinguished between happiness and joy. To me, happy sounds like that strong yet shallow good feeling. Like if you won a new car.

Joy is that more profound experience of fullfillment that lasts. It's something that can be experiences in spite of and even because of suffering. It's more than a feeling, it's a reality that may not be fully understood, but that gives you assurance and allows you a sense of freedom.

I am not suggesting that this is how the Church differenciates these two words. Certianly in some hymns, you can find the word "happiness" but I feel like perhaps joy would be a better translation. Perhaps it's just me and my experience with the two words.

Either way, these two concepts exist. So, using the words the way I defined them, following your whims or even your own well thought out plans may well give you happiness, but not true joy. Your non-believing friends may be happy, but how can they experience true joy when beyond this, there's nothing... or at least there MIGHT be nothing. No assurance of anything. happiness is found in a snickers bar. True Joy is found in Christ.

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This perplexes me. At least in Orthodoxy, the fullness of Christianity, we are often reminded that the life of a Christian, the life of following Christ, is one of suffering. But why? I don't get it. I mean, I know for our salvation, etc. But I still don't get it. I look at everything I want but cannot have(marriage and family), which to me even seem harmless (as opposed to wanting to be a inappropriate content star or a bloodthirsty dictator, for example), and think "This will make me happy." Happy, obviously, not being in a perfect state of total bliss. It doesn't exist on this Earth. But, relatively, generally, despite hard times that makes me stronger, I would be relatively happy with these simple things I want. So why can't I have them? Because I am trying to enter into Christ's Church.

But it doesn't make me happy. Suffering is embraced in the Church, and She acknowledges that it will be abundant and unto our salvation.

But... is it really so wrong to want to be happy in this life? As an American teenager, so many of the songs and movies and all sorts of media really focus on "Live life and be happy. Do what makes you happy, and live life to the fullest." Etc. Is it really so bad to want to have fun and be happy in this life? I mean, all of my atheist/agnostic friends are relatively happy, enjoy life, and have fun, and live life to its fullest - even in spite of hardships, etc. So I look around and think, "Why openly dive headfirst into suffering? Why not just life my life and be happy? Is that so wrong?"

I hope this makes sense... :sorry:


I remember thinking, that my brothers problems paled in contrast to mine. I often thought, that he is only an Alcoholic/with drug issues, but the whole AA crew seemed hip.

Hey an Alcoholic, maye have to quit drinking, but yet they can marry and live a full life. I on the other hand, will live a life of desperate lonliness.

My brother died 4 years ago, alone in his bed.
 
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I think it is also prudent to remember that we can't compare crosses.

Justin, I can never know the full weight of your cross. Conversely, you cna never know mine. Only God knows the intimate details of our hearts, and He and He alone allows us to have these crosses for our salvation. Do not look at another and ask why you couldn't have their cross, but rather be thankful for your own and trust that God knows what He's doing.

EVERYONE has pain. And pain is relative. Your pain is relative to the pain you've already known. This is why someone who has lived a comfortable and wealthy life can get so angry when someone screws up their latte at Starbucks. That pain is real to them because, relative to the pain they've known, it is significant. This is, I think, why Americans are so amazed at the generosity of those in poverty in other countries. To whit, they have little, and are thus liberated from their greed and liberated from their egos, and this poverty gives them great liberality to be generous. Further, they know what pain is, and relative to that, the minor pain of being without a particular possession is negligible.

In fact, the greater your cross, the greater the honor of the crown you will wear in Christ if you endure. HAVE FAITH.

If you can, I recommend that you find and listen to "The Word of the Cross" (a lecture by Fr. Thomas Hopko). It changed my whole outlook on this question.

In Christ,
Macarius
 
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I've noticed that my problem is... I see all of the worldly suffering as worth it. All of the trials and hardships, for example, of marriage... it's WORTH it. All the tears, all the agony, is WORTH it for marriage and for that one person you love. While I seem to view God as NOT worth it. Maybe this is because a person is more tangible and real... I dunno.

More tangible and real to you in the limited, sensory perceptions we are left with when we kill our "heart" through sin (which we all do). Also, if I'm correct, you're a catechumen, yes? If you can, KEEP GOING. The sacraments are a TREMENDOUS blessing in being able to tangibly experience God. We are physical, and there is a reason the Church ministers the grace of God through the physical. Right now, you're experience of Christianity is incomplete. Stay the course. Don't give up. Endure in faith.

On marriage - remember that earthly marriage is only an icon. Don't trade in the real-deal for the icon. You are being invited not only to the wedding feast of the kingdom, but indeed to be the bride of the very Prince Himself.

Marriage is good. Unity with God is better. Earthly marriages end, people die, families break. The eternal marriage of the Kingdom, which you can experience ON THIS EARTH (none of this "waiting for heaven" business; get that out of your head - God came to save YOU in THIS LIFE, though we do have the promise of another life to encourage us) is vastly superior.

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We all have pain. Christ promises:
John 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

It is possible to have joy while suffering.

Do you know what kind of pain rips through you to look at your child and realize that they will probably never live an independant life? Probably never be to marry or have a family... or even hold more than a part-time minimum wage job? That he will probably need you to take care of him for the rest of your life and worry about what will happen to him when you are gone?

Do you know what it is like to try to calm him down while he is screaming that he hates you and kicking and biting you and scratching at his own skin until it bleeds? Do you know the fear that you won't be able to keep him safe when he is bigger than you? Do you know what it feels like to know that though some trick of genetics, you probably did this to him?

I'm not saying this as a plea for sympathy. We all have our own crosses to bear. Christ gives us the strength to carry them even when we doubt with every fibre of our being that we can take another step.

Look to the martyrs. They gladly went to torture and death. They faced things that we can't even imagine with joy. Let them be your example.

If God could give them the courage to gracefully accept torture and a crown of martyrdom, then He can give me enough grace to endure my small trials with a smile on my face and love in my heart. He gives me the peace that passes all understanding (Philipians 4).

He can do the same for you.
 
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I don't really have any response right now. The answers from all of y'all have been immensely helpful.

I do want to clarify, and perhaps I didn't do a good job of it in the OP - I KNOW that the "real world" entails suffering. I know that even relatively happy atheist people suffer. Part of life is suffering. But their philosophy of life seems so good - "Live life to its fullest, have fun, and be happy." As opposed to mine - "Suffer a lot b/c you love God so you can make it to heaven."

I've noticed that my problem is... I see all of the worldly suffering as worth it. All of the trials and hardships, for example, of marriage... it's WORTH it. All the tears, all the agony, is WORTH it for marriage and for that one person you love. While I seem to view God as NOT worth it. Maybe this is because a person is more tangible and real... I dunno.

Matthew 16:25-27

For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-6

For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

Luke 12:16-24

Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’ So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?’ “So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.” Then He said to His disciples, “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on. Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds?
 
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Is God worth it? You have hit the nail on the head for all of us. We all have to ask this at least once in our lives, and more often many times. Of course, God is worth it, and heaven, Christ, all of it. But since we do not "see" this daily, we forget it. We may feel it some or most of the time, but to actually see the worth of it is entirely impossible to do in our humanity. It is easier to see what surrounds us in the world, and that which is tangible to touch. We must keep in mind that all we see and touch is temporary, and God is eternal. It isn't a matter of "is God worth it," but rather which is more important, the temporary, or the eternal?
 
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