Okay, today is good Fri. (pay day) in this household, so my day will be a bit nuts, I'll see what I can get accomplished...oh and btw, I thought you wanted scripture that God chooses eternal over temporal....
Any passage will do.
You said this:
I ask for the passage.
You know, just like you want someone to provide a "passage"
proving that God always heals His kids.
Pull up a chair, when there is a biblical truth that I know as absolute, I'm not going to just give you one passage as evidence...in fact, the bible tells us precept upon precept, I'll build you a whole case...
well we start with all the passages already provided about God inflicting illness...but those for the most part are for those not obedient, some have argued...but what is my claim? that God can and does use afflictions (all kinds) to draw men unto HIm. So your first biblical evidence has been provided...let's look on
When we look at scripture for God's purpose we see that His purpose from the beginning was that of spirit...I already provided many of them as well, if you need me to put them here again, ask, but since they have already been posted, don't see much need at the moment...
Next we can add to our case all passages about authority, which would include but not be limited to....Matt 20: 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Gives us our first real look in this discussion about God's world of inversion, what we think should be is the opposite of what God says is.
All of Matt 21 but especially vs. 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Notice it is the fruit we examine, now the fruit of the spirit is found in GAL. 5:20 and healing isn't among those fruits, but love, patience, kindness...are, should I post that passage for you all?
Notice here that the authority they notice is over the spiritual not the physical, not saying they are not connected saying even the people of the day of Jesus knew the difference
Mark 1:26-28 (King James Version)
26And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.
27And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.
28And immediately his fame spread abroad throughout all the region round about Galilee.
John 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Again we see spiritual over physical
Luke 9
1Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
3And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
This is an awesome scripture for spiritual things over the monetary things, it also notes that spiritual comes before healing in this same passage. God always chooses the spiritual over the physical...
Titus 2:14-15 (King James Version)
14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
But the one passage that you cannot ignore on the topic, or excuse away is the story of Naaman, found in Luke 4
1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12
And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
notice this little tidbit in reference to the name it and claim it crowd.
13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14And Jesus returned in the
power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21And he began to say unto them,
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
22And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
23And he said unto them,
Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
25But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
28
And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
I love verse 28, Jesus said, only one was cleansed, not all and they got angry with HIm...sound familiar?
29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
31And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
32And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
I love this one as well, His faith was not the power, but His words were, words given to Him by God.
33And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
35And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
36
And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
there's word again, off topic for this post, but on topic for the thread none the less
37And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
38And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
39And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.
40Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.
41And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
42And when it was day, he departed and went into a desert place: and the people sought him, and came unto him, and stayed him, that he should not depart from them.
43And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
44And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.
Now to all this evidence we add the previous posted passages in John about the reason for the signs and wonders and
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Well I'm only part way through and we are out of electricity so it will have to wait to finish...
Lost my train of thought, more if we need it
But nobody is arguing that God isnt concerned... MORE concerned about
our eternal health..
Sounds like he did just what he should have, sought God, prayed for healing, had his sins forgiven.
Naturally it would have been QUICKER/less costly... had he just let God speak to his heart without being confined right down in bed.
We make some dumb choices. No wonder He likens us to sheep.
I'm so so unworthy for the great blessings my Father gives me,
the patience and mercy He shows me.
and yet God allowed Him to keep His sickness for a season in exchange for his spiritual health which is the point.
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You keep insisting that if we have faith in healing then we are
doing the one but leaving the other undone. why do you believe that?
I cannot repent, pray, worship God with all of my heart AND ask
(IN FAITH) for His help when needed?
if one demands or insists that physical healing occur, then their focus isn't on God but rather on healing.
Ouchy.
I dont know how/why your husband got sick.
You dont think satan could have held him down and God
sTILL use everything to His own advantage?
I have no idea why your husband fell ill.
How can we know?
Was it God's will for your husband to sin?
Does God always get what He wants?
Or does your husband sin?
isn't that the point, God isn't beyond using even sickness to bring us to Himself. We have to get it out of our heads that all sickness is evil.. Sickness isn't evil, it's the result of sin...Sin is the evil.
Maybe it was a whooping you mean?
I have no idea.
I dont know how to help you to understand, so I will try
one more time, using a different teaching method
THIS THREAD is about healing..
If it were about worship, our focus would be on worship.
We are focusing on healing because OF this thread.
Please understand this.
WE all love God just as much as you do.
WE all desire the deep eternal things of God.
THIS thread is about healing.
Right, and how do we know that healing? By focusing ourselves on God not healing..."I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me..." point is when our eyes are on us, whether that be sickness, poverty, desires, we can't be focused on God. Instead of demanding healing, we should be pray, tell God what we want...ask forgiveness for our sins, or that the other person (sick) would have their sins revealed to them...and then sit back, relax, rest in God and simply trust Him... THAT IS FAITH..Faith isn't demanding our way, or demanding that God promised such and such, faith is resting in, trusting completely that God is true to His word, that at His word, it is done. Period.
Savior.
