Ethics of who gets to vote

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DarkProphet

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For the longest time democracy was a matter for QUALIFIED people to decide policy. At the start of the US only free white land owning men over a certain age where deemed qualified to vote on representatives for government. Why? Because the founders didn't trust the ordinary people to vote rationally. With people like George Bush and Arnold Schwarzenegger getting voted in on name recognition alone it would seem that their fears were well founded.

Let me tell you about my brother to show the problem more clearly. My brother has varies mental problems, one effect of these problems is that he believes just about everything he hears. In the presidential election he voted for McCain because he heard that Obama was born in Kenya, wanted to start a world war, and was secretly a Muslim. It's worth noting that he voted for Kerry because he believed that Bush was a reptile alien. Now consider this, his vote is equal to yours.

Clearly the founders original criteria was flawed but this brings up the question, who is qualified to vote? Should we simply allow EVERYONE an equal vote?
 

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In theory maybe not, but I think any test for voting eligibility is going to cause more problems than it solves. Some voters vote fairly irrationally, some vote on single issues, but however they vote they are expressing their preferences, which is the whole point of voting - to get a candidate whose ideas and policies people like, even though he may not be the most intelligent politician in the US.
 
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If most people are idiots, your goose is cooked. Most people are idiots. QED.

That is the general idea in the OP, yes. Note that only MOST people are idiots though, some are not, so how do you tell the difference from a democratic point of view and further more, do you do anything about it?
 
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I don't think there can be qualifications on who can vote, beyond them being legally an adult, legally sane (and possibly not currently serving a criminal sentence). Firstly, I think no government authority is legitimate unless it is representative--if we get rid of the representation, we get rid of any justification we have for there being ruler and ruled. Secondly, the greater concentration of power can't be a good thing. No matter how good the criteria might be (proven benevolence, high intelligence or whatever), ultimately even the 'best' people are still people, and many if not most will become corrupted and turn into despots acting only in their own interest.
 
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I don't think there can be qualifications on who can vote, beyond them being legally an adult, legally sane (and possibly not currently serving a criminal sentence). Firstly, I think no government authority is legitimate unless it is representative--if we get rid of the representation, we get rid of any justification we have for there being ruler and ruled. Secondly, the greater concentration of power can't be a good thing. No matter how good the criteria might be (proven benevolence, high intelligence or whatever), ultimately even the 'best' people are still people, and many if not most will become corrupted and turn into despots acting only in their own interest.
Here, here!

In addition, the "more qualified" voters tend to turn out at higher rates than their "less qualified" compatriots, so that kind of helps to dilute the stupid.
 
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Don't be dissing on Arnie. He's actually doing a good job. And besides - it's worth it just for the name "Governator".

But in all seriousness, it's a double-edged sword. You feel that all people should have the vote, but than again it is clear that many simply do not apply adequate reasoning to their votes.

Maybe there should be a comprehension test all need to be able to pass. In fact, I don't understand why there isn't. You may argue it isn't fair, not everyone has the same education or opportunities in life, but that's how society judges everything. Students are judged on tests and performances that don't take personal difficulties into account, people are picked for jobs based on degrees that no one cares that others weren't wealthy enough to get.
 
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Don't be dissing on Arnie. He's actually doing a good job. And besides - it's worth it just for the name "Governator".

Maybe, but you have to admit that if he wasn't in movies he would never have been elected.

But in all seriousness, it's a double-edged sword. You feel that all people should have the vote, but than again it is clear that many simply do not apply adequate reasoning to their votes.

That was the fear of the founding fathers.

Maybe there should be a comprehension test all need to be able to pass. In fact, I don't understand why there isn't. You may argue it isn't fair, not everyone has the same education or opportunities in life, but that's how society judges everything. Students are judged on tests and performances that don't take personal difficulties into account, people are picked for jobs based on degrees that no one cares that others weren't wealthy enough to get.

Raelians, the alien cult, believes in having an IQ test requirement for voting, with weighted votes for people with higher IQs. This has the same problem as any type of qualification test, the people writing the test can affect who gets to vote. Things like word usage can affect the test results in predictable ways. In many ways it's the same problem as jerrymandering. The people in charge of setting up the system have more power then they should. If that problem could be solved then maybe a test based system might work.
 
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