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Remember this: God is faithful even when we're not
Untamed,
I went and saw the post you made about your abuse you endured. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Those people tried to take God's work upon themselves and royally screwed up and left you in this turmoil. I don't believe God wanted that to happen and those people will have to answer to Him one day for what they did. I can see how something like that would drive you away from God and blame Him for everything. My advice to you though is don't hold on to that anger and mistrust for the rest of your life or your just setting yourself up to be miserable. I was emotionally, physically and sexually abused for a good portion of my life so I know about the humiliation the anger the fear the mistrust all of it. I had to realize though that the people who did it had a choice to do it and that it wasn't God, He gave us free will to make choices and people just make wrongs ones a lot. The fact that you were seeking spiritual help and what they did to you just made things worse, but God still love you. God understands the anger you have even towards Him. I hope you go through with the charging them and the trial you may have to endure. I know it will be hard, I never told the police or anyone about what I went through so the people who did it to me went free, don't make the same mistake I did. We live in a wicked world and yes the defense attorney will try to make you look bad, but remember and remind yourself that YOU did not want it and that THEY violated you. Maybe on the stand take all that anger you have towards God and place it on the ones who hurt you, the ones your anger and hurt should be pointed to anyways. Then maybe you will be able to see that God didn't do it and begin the healing process with Him. I don't know you and I'm not gonna pretend I do, but God has given me in my heart passion for people and the desire to help them. I just don't want to see you turn away from God because of some people in this world who listened to themselves and tried to do God's work for Him. All I can say now is fight...fight the ones that hurt you in the courtroom, fight the good fight of faith, fight your inner demons and turn to the Lord with everything. Sorry so long I just hope that this helped you some. God Bless
I went and saw the post you made about your abuse you endured. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Those people tried to take God's work upon themselves and royally screwed up and left you in this turmoil. I don't believe God wanted that to happen and those people will have to answer to Him one day for what they did. I can see how something like that would drive you away from God and blame Him for everything. My advice to you though is don't hold on to that anger and mistrust for the rest of your life or your just setting yourself up to be miserable. I was emotionally, physically and sexually abused for a good portion of my life so I know about the humiliation the anger the fear the mistrust all of it. I had to realize though that the people who did it had a choice to do it and that it wasn't God, He gave us free will to make choices and people just make wrongs ones a lot. The fact that you were seeking spiritual help and what they did to you just made things worse, but God still love you. God understands the anger you have even towards Him. I hope you go through with the charging them and the trial you may have to endure. I know it will be hard, I never told the police or anyone about what I went through so the people who did it to me went free, don't make the same mistake I did. We live in a wicked world and yes the defense attorney will try to make you look bad, but remember and remind yourself that YOU did not want it and that THEY violated you. Maybe on the stand take all that anger you have towards God and place it on the ones who hurt you, the ones your anger and hurt should be pointed to anyways. Then maybe you will be able to see that God didn't do it and begin the healing process with Him. I don't know you and I'm not gonna pretend I do, but God has given me in my heart passion for people and the desire to help them. I just don't want to see you turn away from God because of some people in this world who listened to themselves and tried to do God's work for Him. All I can say now is fight...fight the ones that hurt you in the courtroom, fight the good fight of faith, fight your inner demons and turn to the Lord with everything. Sorry so long I just hope that this helped you some. God Bless
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Tyield, if this had been some sort of spontaneous random fluke maybe what you said would make sense, but it wasn't. It's too complicated to go into all the specific details as to what led up to this one person taking me to meet these others, but the entire enterprise had been initiated by someone whose love, kindness, and genuine desire to help me find practical solutions for my spiritual turmoil was unquestionable. Nobody spends hours on the telephone with someone day and night listening to their pain and anguish, enduring the ugly, side of seeing raw darkness and pure evil express itself through them, praying for them, fasting for them, trying to bring the Word to them, if they don't genuinely care about them and desire with all their heart to see them get the healing and deliverance they need, to the point they would be willing to lay their own well being on the line over it. This entire thing had been MARINATED in prayer, absolutely steeped in it, by both the person who took me to meet these people and the one who had put me in touch with her initially.
And that's what i just don't get. That being the case, where the heck was God during all this, then? Did he just not care to oversee and protect a situation he had been invited, asked, begged and pleaded by his own children to oversee and protect? Or did he, rather, intend the abusive situation to take place and play out because he wanted to send a message loud and clear and addressed exclusively to yours truly??? He did this full well knowing the ramifications and the impact it would have. So what am i to conclude but that he DOES hate me, he WANTS me to be at war with him and die an ignominious death as a walking embodiment of evil. But not, apparently, before he's done stripping me down in front of everyone in the universe so they can ALL gaze on my naked, bleeding, torn body and be satisfied when it becomes dust beneath the golden streets of eternity.
These are my feelings, and my logic proceeds from or through those, so I definitely don't recommend anyone else adopt them to fit their own situations....i'm under enough eternal damnation as it stands.
And that's what i just don't get. That being the case, where the heck was God during all this, then? Did he just not care to oversee and protect a situation he had been invited, asked, begged and pleaded by his own children to oversee and protect? Or did he, rather, intend the abusive situation to take place and play out because he wanted to send a message loud and clear and addressed exclusively to yours truly??? He did this full well knowing the ramifications and the impact it would have. So what am i to conclude but that he DOES hate me, he WANTS me to be at war with him and die an ignominious death as a walking embodiment of evil. But not, apparently, before he's done stripping me down in front of everyone in the universe so they can ALL gaze on my naked, bleeding, torn body and be satisfied when it becomes dust beneath the golden streets of eternity.
These are my feelings, and my logic proceeds from or through those, so I definitely don't recommend anyone else adopt them to fit their own situations....i'm under enough eternal damnation as it stands.
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tyield1102
Remember this: God is faithful even when we're not
There are things about God and what He lets happen in our lives that we don't understand and never will in this life. He says in His word that His thoughts are not our thoughts. I don't know why He let this happen to you or what purpose it will serve in your life, but I do know that He doesn't want you to be away from Him. He says that He doesn't want anyone to perish but to have eternal life through His son. The very fact that you see yourself as this evil person makes me think that He has already opened up your eyes to things. He will finish what He started in you if you let Him. I really am sorry that you are going through this, but I can't stress enough how much God loves you. We have all sinned against Him yet He gave us His son so that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life. Does that sound like a God who goes around and targets people to torture? I know how you feel though because I have thought the same thing about God before, but I realized I just didn't know much about Him. Please don't give up on yourself or God. I'll be praying for you
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As hard as it is to admit, that's how things are thoughout the church on the earth. There is none perfect but God. Situations happen everyday that start out as something from God, but then peoples own will/flesh gets into it. There are plenty of things out there in Christianity that are a mix of things by the Spirit of God and things man made.
You are asking hard and deep questions, that many others have also asked (probably all of us at one time or another). Why does God allow suffering, we usually can't answer things such as this, but we know that He does. There are many Christians who seem to not have their prayers answered or in the time frame they wish, or the way they wish. There are many things Christians are praying about night and day that God doesn't seem to be responding to, yet we keep praying about them because we know Gods will in the matter.
God doesn't hate you and He did wish for you to get the help you needed. Why did He allow wrong things to get messed up into your situation, even in spite of His children praying about it? I don't know.
This I do know, God's Word says,
Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
It doesn't say all things are good, but that God can still fit them together and make something good out of any situation (including ones that had evil in them).
I often think of Corrie Ten Boom and her story ("The Hiding Place"). After all the abuse and suffering she and her family went through- God was able to turn it around and bring something good out of something horrible, that the devil had intended to destroy her with and use to keep her from God (this in part by trying to make her filled with hate & unforgiveness).
I pray that all things in this situation are made right and that you find in God all the healing you need.
You are asking hard and deep questions, that many others have also asked (probably all of us at one time or another). Why does God allow suffering, we usually can't answer things such as this, but we know that He does. There are many Christians who seem to not have their prayers answered or in the time frame they wish, or the way they wish. There are many things Christians are praying about night and day that God doesn't seem to be responding to, yet we keep praying about them because we know Gods will in the matter.
God doesn't hate you and He did wish for you to get the help you needed. Why did He allow wrong things to get messed up into your situation, even in spite of His children praying about it? I don't know.
This I do know, God's Word says,
Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
It doesn't say all things are good, but that God can still fit them together and make something good out of any situation (including ones that had evil in them).
I often think of Corrie Ten Boom and her story ("The Hiding Place"). After all the abuse and suffering she and her family went through- God was able to turn it around and bring something good out of something horrible, that the devil had intended to destroy her with and use to keep her from God (this in part by trying to make her filled with hate & unforgiveness).
I pray that all things in this situation are made right and that you find in God all the healing you need.
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Ariel
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God loves you, Untamed_Fire, even if you don't think He does. And yes, He does hear the heart cry of those who turn to Him, crying for forgiveness and mercy.
I don't know what awful situation you went through. There are Christians who profess Christianity for their own glory, not for God's. If you were hurt at the hands of such a group, I am so sorry.
I have seen bad ministries, they horrify me. But your experience does not mean that God is against you, or that He doesn't hear.
God is for you. He hears the prayers of the broken hearted.
I don't know what awful situation you went through. There are Christians who profess Christianity for their own glory, not for God's. If you were hurt at the hands of such a group, I am so sorry.
I have seen bad ministries, they horrify me. But your experience does not mean that God is against you, or that He doesn't hear.
God is for you. He hears the prayers of the broken hearted.
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But that's just it: it does. In fact that would be exactly and precisely what it means!!!
Why can't you see that??? It's so blatantly obvious!!!
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Soulwings
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It's not blatantly obvious to me. God is never against anyone. I don't know why what happened to you happened... but God is a God of love. He only hates evil, and even then, the evil in people, but not the people themselves. If you are going to be hating on anyone, you should hate on the people who did this to you. I don't know what advice to offer you, but I have seen so many things that have proved to me that God is a real God, a true God, a loving, caring, and kind God, for me to ever believe otherwise. I believe that it's good to have some doubt at some time or another, because you will get a clearer eye for it. But putting aside all chance that God is not there, and that we are fools for believing in Him... that is not healthy doubt.
I don't know if any of what I'm saying makes sense. All I know is that I wish I could help you more than I can... honestly help you, say the words to you that God would have me say to you, but I'm in a bad place myself at the moment and those words just aren't coming. I'm sorry.
((((hugs))))
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Well i have NOT, though i have looked for it. In fact just about the time i think i might be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, it turns out to actually be the freight train headed my direction to crush me. i'm not whinging or pity partying or exaggerating, this crap is really my life. it's embarrassing, you can't even talk about it truthfully and try to get realistic answers without some smug so-and-so coming along thinking you're just sitting on the pity pot with yourself and just DYING to shove that judgment down your throat with everything ELSE you're trying to deal with, like you NEED that kind of vacuous crap on top of all the REAL problems. (not saying anyone here has done that, just ruminating in general, sooner or later one of them comes along...inevitably...)
i've not gone that far, i've just given up hope that the "better" god i've come to believe in and have been searching for all these years -- better than the putridly cruel, abusive, trickster-sadist portrayed by churchianity at large -- probably does not actually exist and instead the real god DOES happen to be this pathetic lowest-common-denominator the human consensus seems settled upon, and i'm stuck having to relate to something inferior to my own comprehension and vision as the actual ruler of all the universe and deal with the biggest gun in the universe being little more than a spoiled brat desperate for fawning and praise -- though ready & eager, hypocritically, to condemn anyone else needing attention as a selfish loser full of evil -- with an ego the size of jupiter and as brittle and fragile as shaved glass. i can't love that. i won't worship it. the devil seems more honest and aware than that by comparison. but that thing supposedly rules and therefore that thing has forced me to be at war with it which means ultimately even if it is pure hypocrisy and lies it has the biggest gun and it can throw me into hell to be tortured and die whether i want that or not, and there's nothing i can do about it. i feel more powerless and helpless than ever before in my life, and there's no one higher i can appeal this case to, to keep such a cosmic scoundrel in line.
i want more than anything to be able to believe this is NOT, in fact, really God. i know what the Bible says about Christ and i want very much to believe THAT (Christ) to be what God is like. but the more i look for that, the more i seem to find this other thing that makes me sick and hurts me and leaves me feeling hopeless. people have tried to tell me it's the devil, but it's NOT. i dont know how to explain it. it's God. i know it's God. it feels like God, it smells like God, it tastes like God and sounds like God -- only God being turned completely and irreversibly against you rather than for you. but still the same Being : GOD.
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Ariel
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When all else fails, go back to the beginning.
Can you say that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior?
If you can't, ask Him to be, pray. This is the basis of salvation, not just beginning salvation, but also salvation from every evil thing.
God loves you. When you can't feel that love, go back to the foundation.
Can you say that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior?
If you can't, ask Him to be, pray. This is the basis of salvation, not just beginning salvation, but also salvation from every evil thing.
God loves you. When you can't feel that love, go back to the foundation.
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It doesn't exactly work like that. Once God has abused you, everything changes, including whatever desire you might have once had toward him.
Anyway -- have wasted enough of your time here. Bye.
Anyway -- have wasted enough of your time here. Bye.
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Ariel
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God doesn't abuse you, Satan does. Satan is a liar and the father of lies. He does awful, horrible things, then he blames them on God.
Jesus said that Satan is the god of this world, John 12:31; 14:30. Do you want to know why this world is such a mess? Because Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy.
But you don't have to live in his mess. You can ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior.
God loves you, Jesus Christ came to set you free. That bondage you are in did not come from God.
Jesus said that Satan is the god of this world, John 12:31; 14:30. Do you want to know why this world is such a mess? Because Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy.
But you don't have to live in his mess. You can ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior.
God loves you, Jesus Christ came to set you free. That bondage you are in did not come from God.
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I speak from my heart as the holy spirit witness my words to shower you with forgiveness, and lots of love. As suffering comes about so does love that will comfort you and give you peace but you must accept his love for what it is.
His word is complex because he wants you to look for Him the one and only true God of this existence with your whole heart to find him and to strengthening your relationship with HIM the true lord God by enduring the trials that you have experienced that was forth to come before the creation of this world. And you should !!!!!!!ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST!!!!!! as your personal savior and redeemer that no demonic influence should harm you in JESUS CHRIST name. AMEN!!
The reason you are so filled with hatred is because Satan is afraid that you may turn to the one true GOD to have and establish an relationship through his son Jesus Christ for which he had offer his soul that you may have an eternal life with your lord in heaven.
Satan main goal is to destroy your relationship with the one true god through Jesus Christ his free gift to you, HIS relationship is his GIFT. If he did not want your relationship at all you would have never exist at all for any other reason then that alone.
Dwelling on such hatred is folly but that who we are sinners at birth, we are born to rebel against the one and only true God, just look at your behavior it destroying you. Our very nature is very self-destructive(that cause harm to others as well), and people keep asking why did the one and only true God bring this upon me, well I am sad to say it has nothing to do with him because it his not of his WILL, men and women are the cause of the suffering of there own devices from there hearts (you're will). That why there is suffering all around us because the one and true God is not among them but his grace is through Jesus Christ AMEN!.
Through this message I hope the one and true God will open your heart to this message, and receive you in his unfailing love that your soul may come to peace. And that you may repent of your sins and bring glory to the one and true God through Jesus Christ AMEN!
PS: If this message causes you any more harm then it does good, I repent of my sin; also yours and that you may one day open your heart to the only and one true God. So I have show my love to you in your desperate need sister, now it up to you to receive this love in your heart that you may come to PEACE.
AMEN!
His word is complex because he wants you to look for Him the one and only true God of this existence with your whole heart to find him and to strengthening your relationship with HIM the true lord God by enduring the trials that you have experienced that was forth to come before the creation of this world. And you should !!!!!!!ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST!!!!!! as your personal savior and redeemer that no demonic influence should harm you in JESUS CHRIST name. AMEN!!
The reason you are so filled with hatred is because Satan is afraid that you may turn to the one true GOD to have and establish an relationship through his son Jesus Christ for which he had offer his soul that you may have an eternal life with your lord in heaven.
Satan main goal is to destroy your relationship with the one true god through Jesus Christ his free gift to you, HIS relationship is his GIFT. If he did not want your relationship at all you would have never exist at all for any other reason then that alone.
Dwelling on such hatred is folly but that who we are sinners at birth, we are born to rebel against the one and only true God, just look at your behavior it destroying you. Our very nature is very self-destructive(that cause harm to others as well), and people keep asking why did the one and only true God bring this upon me, well I am sad to say it has nothing to do with him because it his not of his WILL, men and women are the cause of the suffering of there own devices from there hearts (you're will). That why there is suffering all around us because the one and true God is not among them but his grace is through Jesus Christ AMEN!.
Through this message I hope the one and true God will open your heart to this message, and receive you in his unfailing love that your soul may come to peace. And that you may repent of your sins and bring glory to the one and true God through Jesus Christ AMEN!
PS: If this message causes you any more harm then it does good, I repent of my sin; also yours and that you may one day open your heart to the only and one true God. So I have show my love to you in your desperate need sister, now it up to you to receive this love in your heart that you may come to PEACE.
AMEN!
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