why do so many christians think being gay is a sin?

DeanM · Jan 7, 2009

Atlantians said:
The sin nature is all consuming. We as Christians are free from its stinging condemnation.

This begs an interesting question . . .

If we're free from "stinging condemnation," then what basis could you possibly have for participating in this discussion?

To say homosexuals can't be Christian and therefore undeserving of protection from condemnation?

To condemn them anyway in disregard for God's wishes that we do no such thing?

How about this, Atlantians: Why don't you give it a rest?

Every time you come in here and make your case you paint yourself into a logical corner and prove that you really don't have a leg to stand on in condemning anyone else.

Enough already . . .

BlackJack77 · Jan 7, 2009

Dear Ridgeback, No one is "gay" actually, so "being gay" is really not correct terminology. Being tempted by the sin of homosexuality, giving in to it and being consumed by it is the correct terminology and "hate the sin but love the sinner" isn't really a Biblical term. The fact of the matter is that all sinners are separated from God and there is only one way to be reconciled and saved FROM our sin and washed and that's through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. The only question is, are we willing to surrender to Him? There is no question about His power to deliver us from our iniquities and cause us to be more than conquerors and overcome the temptations that knock on our door seeking our souls. Christ has the power to redeem and resurrect and give new life to dead bones. Before repenting and believing the Gospel, we are dead men walking, but through Christ, we can be made alive to the things of God and dead to those things that separate us from Him.
Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Ridgeback said:
Being gay is not a sin. The practice of homosexuality sex acts are the sins. Abstinence and repentence can help homosexuals get right with God. Scripture is clear on the sin of homosexuality. It is forbidden and a very bad thing according to the bible. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

D.W.Washburn · Jan 7, 2009

BlackJack77 said:
Dear Ridgeback, No one is "gay" actually, so "being gay" is really not correct terminology. Being tempted by the sin of homosexuality, giving in to it and being consumed by it is the correct terminology and "hate the sin but love the sinner" isn't really a Biblical term.

Wow! My Orwellian NewSpeak detector just went wild.

BlackJack77 · Jan 7, 2009

ROFL!

RegularGuy said:
Wow! My Orwellian NewSpeak detector just went wild.

TheManeki · Jan 7, 2009

BlackJack77 said:
Dear Catlover, Let me address your post in the words of a large portion of the outraged black population clearly insulted by the attempt to use their racial plight to promote sodomy, "don't use my skin to promote your sin."

Which is rather odd, considering all the similarities between the prior struggle to legalize interracial marriages and the current movement to legalize same-sex marriages. Things like Biblical interpretations that condemn the marriages in question not being supported by reality, rampant fears that it would lead to legalizing incestuous marriages, and the like. But I suppose anyone can forget history and then repeat it.

I was talking about the similarities on another thread in WWMC last night, but the thread seems to have disappeared. I don't feel like repeating myself at the moment, so I'll just post a cartoon I like on the subject.

catlover · Jan 7, 2009

BlackJack77 said:
Dear Catlover, Let me address your post in the words of a large portion of the outraged black population clearly insulted by the attempt to use their racial plight to promote sodomy, "don't use my skin to promote your sin." Sincerely in Christ, Jack
PS. Innocent women and children did not get those diseases until someone who wasn't innocent passed it on to them.

You can use "sodomy" and other words to promote discriminating against gays but it is still discrimination and prejudice...it's seems to be the norm for Christians to accuse gays of spreading disease. This is dehumanizing gays-of course some people will try to claim they are stating or posting such things out of Godly love but it's not. It's simply malicious.

BlackJack77 · Jan 7, 2009

Dear Catlover, I see you changed your post from its original form to add more accusations and to put it all in bold red print, (which I took the liberty to change the color and font size in the quote), which doesn't make your point any more accurate btw and nevertheless, my response I intended to post to the first version is still the same and that is that sin is sin, skin is skin. God is the judge, His written Word is the informant. We can rebel or conform, ultimately we will each be responsible for our individual choices, but those that know what God's will is are held accountable to God, if we refuse to speak that information for the sake of our own popularity in the world. God's Word is not likened to a sword that divides, for no reason.
Sincerely in Christ, Jack

catlover said:
You can use "sodomy" and other words to promote discriminating against gays but it is still discrimination and prejudice...it's seems to be the norm for Christians to accuse gays of spreading disease. This is dehumanizing gays-of course some people will try to claim they are stating or posting such things out of Godly love but it's not. It's simply malicious.

BlackJack77 · Jan 7, 2009

Dear Catlover,
Sadly, this is just a series of ad hominem attacks on my person and character and unfortunately there is nothing there that addresses the contents of my posts at all. If you want to actually discuss the contents of my posts, I would be happy to engage in further discussion with you.
Sincerely in Christ, Jack
PS. I made mention of your changed post that was now big, bold red print in addition to the additional ad hominems you included because I saw your initial post prior to your edit and it was two sentences long, had much less ad hominem attacks included and was in a normal font, and I thought it worth mentioning, so evidently this was upgraded "just for me" ^_^

. Anyway, as I said, if you want to actually discuss the contents of my posts, I would be happy to engage in further discussion with you.
Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Cody2 · Jan 7, 2009

Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." KJB

D.W.Washburn · Jan 7, 2009

Cody2 said:
Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." KJB

Context?

pistis · Jan 7, 2009

Bace said:
why do so many christians think being gay is a sin? ive read their reasons but cant figure out why they think that

Because it is. Personally it's not something I struggle with.
I don't hate gay people. I realize it is a major stronghold.
All sin stems from 3 basic roots.
Greed, Pride, and Lust.

+Zero+ · Jan 7, 2009

I don't think that quoting Scripture about homosexuality being deprave is prejudice or bigotry. There is nothing wrong with saying that homosexuality is wrong: that doesn't mean that we (fundamentalists) hate gay people, but if we show Scriptures that clearly state homosexuality is immoral, then it is. According to Scriptures, I know for a fact homosexuality is wrong. And another thing, when I posted Scripture earlier, I didn't give a twist to the text, I just gave the Scriptures to prove my point.

As Christ followers, we are called to "Love our neighbor as ourselves", and we must do so, whether that neighbor be homosexual, atheist, or anything else. We have a responsibility to show Christ's love to all, but that love does not mean that we accept everything they do as "moral".

Sitswithamouse · Jan 7, 2009

Venereal Diseases that can harm and lead to death, infertility and cancer.

Human Papilloma virus can cause cervical cancer and cancers of a womans reproductive system.

Hep B: imflamation of the Liver and can cause liver damage.

Filminant hepatitis is a severe form of hepatitis and in some cases can cause death if not treated.

Syphilis used to cause many deaths before a cure became available. It caused dementia and affected the nervous system.

When someone says that HIV and AIDS kills people (and it isn't a gay disease or ever was) and that gays are killing people look into the history of hetrosexual STDS and they killed far greater numbers of people before cures and treatments were found.
As too AIDS it too will one day recieve a cure .

Hetrosexual sex creates diseases and their are far more of those than Aids related diseases.

D.W.Washburn · Jan 7, 2009

pistis said:
Because it is.

Is sarcasm a sin? I need to know, because right now I'm reeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeally tempted.

BlackJack77 · Jan 7, 2009

Dear Melancholy,
Sex between heterosexuals in the bonds of matrimony between two people who have not defiled themselves through prior sexual sin, does not result in sexual diseases. And let's be realistic and sincere by agreeing that the sexual sin of one group that results in diseases does not pave the way, nor should it pave the way for condoning the sexual sin of another group. Sin is sin.
Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Melancholy said:
Venereal Diseases that can harm and lead to death, infertility and cancer.

Human Papilloma virus can cause cervical cancer and cancers of a womans reproductive system.

Hep B: imflamation of the Liver and can cause liver damage.

Filminant hepatitis is a severe form of hepatitis and in some cases can cause death if not treated.

Syphilis used to cause many deaths before a cure became available. It caused dementia and affected the nervous system.

When someone says that HIV and AIDS kills people (and it isn't a gay disease or ever was) and that gays are killing people look into the history of hetrosexual STDS and they killed far greater numbers of people before cures and treatments were found.
As too AIDS it too will one day recieve a cure .

Hetrosexual sex creates diseases and their are far more of those than Aids related diseases.

pistis · Jan 7, 2009

RegularGuy said:
Is sarcasm a sin? I need to know, because right now I'm reeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeally tempted.

That was funny.

If by sarcasm you intended to slander or insult someone.
The answer to your question is yes.

1Pe 3:10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
Jam 3:9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness.

Truth is truth. Regardless if I choose to believe it or not.

jlujan69 · Jan 7, 2009

Despite the stand I take on this issue, I am cognizant of the fact that I am not in the homosexual's shoes. I don't know what it's like to have the feelings he has and to try to come to grips with these feelings and what some in society say about it. How can I possibly look this person in the eyes and say, in effect, that I don't care what he thinks about himself, I know better. He's so wrong and I'm so right. If I were him, I'd probably see someone like myself as an arrogant (fill-in-the-blank). If this person struggled mightily throughout his younger years, thinking himself a freak or pervert, contemplating suicide, until finally somebody told him he's normal, and he finally accepted this about himself, I've no doubt that he finally felt relief. Then along comes someone like me, telling him he's wrong. Therefore, I can understand why he'd be resentful. I can also understand why some Christians would sympathize with him and eventually conclude that his is not a sin, that God made him as such.

D.W.Washburn · Jan 8, 2009

pistis said:
That was funny.

Thanks. I was going for humor. I think a little levity may be called for on this heavy topic.

pistis said:
If by sarcasm you intended to slander or insult someone.
The answer to your question is yes.

1Pe 3:10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
Jam 3:9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness.

Slander and insult would not be my intent, which is, in fact, the reason that I refrained from sarcasm.

pistis said:
Truth is truth. Regardless if I choose to believe it or not.

But there it is again...the temptation to resort to sarcasm. Please don't give me straight lines, Pisits.

Peace!

jlujan69 · Jan 8, 2009

catlover · Jan 8, 2009

Melancholy said:
Venereal Diseases that can harm and lead to death, infertility and cancer.

Human Papilloma virus can cause cervical cancer and cancers of a womans reproductive system.

Hep B: imflamation of the Liver and can cause liver damage.

Filminant hepatitis is a severe form of hepatitis and in some cases can cause death if not treated.

Syphilis used to cause many deaths before a cure became available. It caused dementia and affected the nervous system.

When someone says that HIV and AIDS kills people (and it isn't a gay disease or ever was) and that gays are killing people look into the history of hetrosexual STDS and they killed far greater numbers of people before cures and treatments were found.
As too AIDS it too will one day recieve a cure .

Hetrosexual sex creates diseases and their are far more of those than Aids related diseases.

I think some get a sick pleasure from accusing gays of spreading pestilence...

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