Yeshua concieved at Hanukkah born at Sukkot

I stand tall only because I stand on the shoulders of tall men and women in the faith, among them yourself Eben Abram and the long list of Christian and Messianic pillars you personally knew and imho helped shape who they would one day become.

Your humble servant... JohnD

Eben Abram said:

Shalom ALecheim

Lest any presume JohnD and I haven't disagreed, I can say, we have gone toe to toe and eye to eye and disagreed with both of us still friends and his invitation to shabbos in my home in the kingdom never rescinded.

We have strongly and passionately made our points and often misunderstood, perhaps, for a season the heart of each other.

But Light is not mistaken, for even the blind were given sight by Messiah and He and I uncovered always the greater Truth that He that is in both of us is greater than He or I appear to be to each other or in the World.

As such still, Messiah, Y'shua, the Jesus we know and the Moshiach yet to be known, even Y'shua who came, Did commend a certain leader of men who happened to be a Gentile and said,

I have not found greater faith in all of Israel, speaking that the Roman Centurion was of a greater aspect of Faith in waht G-d could do than the High Priest, Saul, the nation of Israel, the Sadducees, the Pharisee's and frankly even John called the greatest of all prophets and even his own Disciples.

I may not say JohnD is that man, but I can say that they are related/

No greater faith have I witnessed to the Truth and Stand for the Light inspite of all hardship and time constraints as well as every reason to be discouraged and cease to speak to a people who choose to not see or listen than John D.

He has maintained in the Volume of all the posts, Past (which I include all boards) Present and I know of a certainty, future, a dynamic, solid and mature rationale of the Witness His Words are of not only Who G-d is, but waht G-d has done.

If all were so, we would not be here, but the Kingdom is well done in the name of this his Son, JohnD.

Eben

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Always one with the words of comfort and encouragement and the truths of God... always given with hope and a dose of reassurance to those whom lesser thinking and caring believers would otherwise trounce... you are a healing balm and the definition of mercy and shalom.

Always with a smile and a hug. I shall miss sharing a State with you. Though we've never been further nor closer than this forum (and perhaps CARM and I think one other some time back but the board name escapes me). So perhaps when I return nothing in that regard will change. I will hasten that day, Lord willing.

Till then... once I go, I mean... LL

Tishri1 said:

Yeh I think hes an adorable guy too and a great friend as well, we will miss him when hes not with us

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Shalom alecheim

Be careful, You don't know WHERE I am or what state much less what city.

I have shown up on people and said after meeting them, some call me Eben.

I love the shock.

Barneys eh?

LOL

this was really interesting

sleepythesahm said:

this was really interesting

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How so?.. the visiting or the conception and birth of Yeshua?

Tishri1 said:

Well if you do you show up please tell me ok I keep thinking I see John at synagogue and find out it wasnt him only a look- a - like

Yeh at Barney's you cant miss me, Im the one dancing in a group of 20 or so up front, but you will recognize me, honest I dance just like I post

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Uh oh, a dancer.

I am well known for clearing the floor, for I fear before I was known of other things, I am a Dancer, as was my mother who though she never taught me, was noted herself even if she had to lead most of those she knew.

If there is a March for Jesus picture around of Anchorage Alaska as the Dancers led the parade and perfomed in the park, (grin) there might be two men there, one the Choreographer who flew up from Louisiana and the other just might be the only Jew in the parade.

Dance, of all types, including those no one expects me to dance, LOL ahhhh as old as I am and as being a Believer, is my only regret I wish I had pursued.

From East L.A. where I was born to Alaska, from San Clemete and Guadalajara to Cape Cod and Canada, and the Public Horahs in Jerusalem if the music plays almost anywhere I am around, you know where Eben has been.

(grin)

Shalom all.

The intro article is great. Although I was raised with knowing this truth of our Messiah... that is the birth of Y'shua.

I agree with bringing the Messiah in on all holiday events, for He is the all of everything and the why.

I have been praying to understand the meaning of this celebration of "Christmas". I understand somewhat.

It's to celebrate the fulfilment of G-d's promise of Y'shua being born.

Also to celebrate the incarnation of the Messiah and the works He demonstrated, which again is the fulfilment of G-d's promise.

Does anyone else struggle with this "traditional" holiday?

arizonasunset said:

Shalom all.

The intro article is great. Although I was raised with knowing this truth of our Messiah... that is the birth of Y'shua.

I agree with bringing the Messiah in on all holiday events, for He is the all of everything and the why.

I have been praying to understand the meaning of this celebration of "Christmas". I understand somewhat.

It's to celebrate the fulfilment of G-d's promise of Y'shua being born.

Also to celebrate the incarnation of the Messiah and the works He demonstrated, which again is the fulfilment of G-d's promise.

Does anyone else struggle with this "traditional" holiday?

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Shalom Alecheim

Struggle? well no, it comes irregardless and it is a celebration inspite of all who choose to participate or not.

What I do in my flesh, that is to say my reactions to those who do celebrate it or do not, that, yes is my struggle and I do OBSERVE that do as I ought, requires I seek help from an outside source.

In so doing I am glad for me I have G-d as my source. he gives me the ability to see the Holidays as He does, little children doing the best they how, and I mean of ALL the Holidays RIGHT now, Messianic and Jewish, and Christian.

Now maybe I am greedy for I find in sitting on His Lap and seeing them all as the best attempt they know How to do according to the Knowledge and direction G-d my Father has given, then I can Observe HIM in all of them, as I do, I get spoiled. I get three for the price of one.

Oh sure in some settings I must be as those I am with and employ the limitations they have, but like little children there is alwasy a moment I can inspire without conspiring to relate in thier given understanding, as children, something G-d uses to lift them up to Him and be filled with wonder and joy.

I leave refreshed and they leave inspired and I am glad for having been there.

Like this post.
Like now.

You can go and do the same.

Eben

Eben Abram said:

Shalom Alecheim

Struggle? well no, it comes irregardless and it is a celebration inspite of all who choose to participate or not.

What I do in my flesh, that is to say my reactions to those who do celebrate it or do not, that, yes is my struggle and I do OBSERVE that do as I ought, requires I seek help from an outside source.

In so doing I am glad for me I have G-d as my source. he gives me the ability to see the Holidays as He does, little children doing the best they how, and I mean of ALL the Holidays RIGHT now, Messianic and Jewish, and Christian.

Now maybe I am greedy for I find in sitting on His Lap and seeing them all as the best attempt they know How to do according to the Knowledge and direction G-d my Father has given, then I can Observe HIM in all of them, as I do, I get spoiled. I get three for the price of one.

Oh sure in some settings I must be as those I am with and employ the limitations they have, but like little children there is alwasy a moment I can inspire without conspiring to relate in thier given understanding, as children, something G-d uses to lift them up to Him and be filled with wonder and joy.

I leave refreshed and they leave inspired and I am glad for having been there.

Like this post.
Like now.

You can go and do the same.

Eben

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My favorite part. The children.

how about Ernest L. Martin's theory of jesus's birth in 3bc?
in his book: The Star That Astonished the World.
which is more correct? 3bc or 4bc?

In the book of Matthew we have an important bit of information:

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus tells us that Herod died shortly after an eclipse of the moon (Antiquities of the Jews, Book XVII, Chapter VI, end of 4th paragraph), but prior to Passover (Wars of the Jews, Book II, Chapter I, paragraph 3.). This is an extremely important bit of information, because astronomers today know that there were eclipses of the moon on the following dates:

A total eclipse on March 23rd, 5 BC at 8.52 pm
A partial eclipse on March 13th, 4 BC at 4.04 am.
A total eclipse on January 10th, 1 BC at 1.35 am.
Historians have determined, on this and other evidence, that King Herod apparently died in the Spring of what we now call 4 B.C. (Julian year 4710), probably early in the Jewish month of Nisan (April), after the partial eclipse of the moon occurring on March 13th, 4 B.C. If you will recall, Herod lived long enough after Jesus' birth to order the slaughter of the infants in Bethlehem, in an attempt to murder Jesus-

Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

This would suggest that Jesus was born in either 5 or 6 B.C., as Herod set an upper age limit of 2 years for the infants to be slain. So, on this evidence alone, the current method of numbering the years since the birth of Jesus is in error by at least 4 years, and perhaps as much as 5 years. http://www.hol.com/~mikesch/year.htm

Shalom Alecheim

In eschatology, the exacting daters play with a timetable within a three and half year window with a plus or minus of each side of an event.

In other words, pick a Year and the Plus is 3 1/2 or minus 3 1/2, I know, it's rather humerous when considering how long messiah was here, but the middle estimate of a seven year window of opportunity makes perfect sense to gemmatria students.

As the time frame builds for many on the "2012" World Events theme a plus factor would be 2015 a minus would be a 2009 approx.

There were many Last Days people who held to "67" "88" 2000 (plus or minus 3) and 2007, in each case, I was on the boards at those times as now chronicling time frames and warning that at anytime Messiah in a natzal/rapturos event could come, but years more likely pointed to the window years of 2012 with a latest I think I posted as 2022 back then.

I will start the ball rolling with 2012 plus or minus 3 for the overflow.

I had not heard a +5 reason yet but would review someone else's research, for me, I am content with the work I did 20 years ago and so far those whom I learned from have pretty much stayed the course also.

There is genuine data in all the sciences to build from, but the work must be done on a case by case basis as the piece one person ahs may not be the whole picture, but if you add all the correct pieces, the puzzle fits.

Eben

I have read that the eight day festival (Chanukah) was to make up for Sukkot that was not celebrated eariler.