Sola Scriptura

Catherineanne · Dec 9, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
Ah, so how is Christ the Norma normans?

I suspect that if you do not know by now there is precious little I can say to reveal this to you. For all your reliance on Scripture, you appear to have missed its whole purpose in being there.

If you accept that the ONLY one who is to determine the correctness of positions in Christianity is God and God alone, then you disagree with all the proclaimations of heresy in the 2000 year history of Christianity and you are of the opinion that Arians, Gnostics, etc. are all to be regarded as equally correct (or incorrect) or are you simply a relativist and join with Pontius Pilate in asking sarcastically, "What is truth?"

Where does the Bible say that Pontius Pilate was being sarcastic?

For someone who takes Scripture as the norm, you certainly add a whole lot to it.

Catherineanne · Dec 9, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
Although this thread is not about arbitration, I think that arbitration according to a good, sound Rule is likely to be better than according to a poor, unsound one. Having a perfect hammer doesn't insure getting the nail into the board, but it's probably better than using a wiener or an ice cream cone.

Christ is to Scripture what a wiener is to a hammer?

Catherineanne · Dec 9, 2008

Rick Otto said:
And just as the heavens are dotted with many stars, some greater and some less, so Scripture does not shine everyehere with equal brightness, but is variegated with clearer & more obscure passages like stars of greater or less magnitude.

That is a very useful analogy. Thanks, Rick.

MamaZ · Dec 9, 2008

If we love Christ we keep His word. This is how faith comes is by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The scriptures are sufficient to fully equip us..

CaliforniaJosiah · Dec 9, 2008

Catherineanne said:
Quoting Christ does not make anyone a Christian. Revealing Christ's love to the world makes us Christians.

This thread is not about what makes one a Christian. It's about the best norma normans for the evaluation of doctrine. You know that.

It is impossible to reveal Christ's love to the world and sin at the same time. Anyone who does this, is behaving as God wants us to behave, whether or not they happen to be quoting the Good Book at the same time.

Anyone quoting the Good Book without God's love in their heart, is wasting their time. And if you want Scripture for that one, you will find it in I Corinthians, spoken by the incomparable Paul.

OK.... Now, let's talk about the subject of this thread.

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CaliforniaJosiah · Dec 9, 2008

Catherineanne said:
He did indeed. But he never said it was sufficient to our faith.

He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". He did not say this of Scripture.

A Catholic Administrator will not permit the official, traditional definition of Sola Scriptura, only all OTHER definitions. If it was permitted to give the definition of it, you would realize that your point is entirely moot.....

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Thekla · Dec 9, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
A Catholic Administrator will not permit the official, traditional definition of Sola Scriptura, only all OTHER definitions. If it was permitted to give the definition of it, you would realize that your point is entirely moot.....

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Despite the apparent misreadings re-iterated above, the definition has been given. Repetition is not elucidation.

Albion · Dec 9, 2008

Catherineanne said:
He did indeed. But he never said it was sufficient to our faith.

He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". He did not say this of Scripture.

You've spoken in this way often before, Catherineanne, and my reaction is always this--we might feel that we know that Jesus lived, in the absence of scripture, but it would be oral tradition akin to what is known of Gautama Buddha or the Indian deities. We'd have nothing but various legends to tell us of his purpose, identity, teachings, and will for us. How can we contemplate a Christianity that has no bearings at all other than the tradition of a god-man who said, or so it is claimed, to practice Love?

Rick Otto · Dec 9, 2008

Catherineanne said:
Christ is to Scripture what a wiener is to a hammer?

You may already be a wiener.

Standing Up · Dec 9, 2008

Catherineanne said:
You are stuck on the words, and think that if we do not get the words right, we are in trouble? Have you forgotten what Isaiah says (28 v 13)?

"So then, the word of the Lord to them will become; Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - so that they will go and fall backwards, be injured and snared and captured."

Forget the words. -- SNIP --

Before you forget the words, you may want to consider backing up when you quote Is. 28:13 to His question and His answer at 28:9-12. Your quote is for those who would not listen and so stumble, etc.

Standing Up · Dec 9, 2008

The picture of Christ on the cross is similar to the one at Job 19:1-24. The conclusion is this:

"Oh that my words were written! Oh that they were inscribed in a book!" That with an iron stylus and lead They were engraved in the rock forever!

They were.

Rick Otto · Dec 9, 2008

Sometimes the truth is painfully simple.

Rick Otto · Dec 9, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
A Catholic Administrator will not permit the official, traditional definition of Sola Scriptura, only all OTHER definitions. If it was permitted to give the definition of it, you would realize that your point is entirely moot.....

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Sadly, this sounds plausible if not bizarre.
Could you PM me that definition so I can see how it violates rule # ?

&Abel · Dec 9, 2008

Norma normans
(Lat. the ruling rule). Term applied to Scripture because it is the absolute norm of faith (norma primaria, norma decisionis), decisive by its own right. Scripture as the decisive norm is absolutely necessary, being the norm which decides whether doctrines are true or false. See also Norma normata.

I didn't know what this meant and so I thought I'd post this for anyone else who is confused at this odd word thats constantly used in this thread

speaking of doctrines being proven false by scripture..you may want to check this thread out I've been posting in

theres a basically universally accepted doctrine which is false:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7311880&page=19

there is an absolutely overwhelming amount of scripture proving this to be the case if your willing to accept it

sunlover1 · Dec 9, 2008

&Abel said:
Norma normans
(Lat. the ruling rule). Term applied to Scripture because it is the absolute norm of faith (norma primaria, norma decisionis), decisive by its own right. Scripture as the decisive norm is absolutely necessary, being the norm which decides whether doctrines are true or false. See also Norma normata.

I didn't know what this meant and so I thought I'd post this for anyone else who is confused at this odd word thats constantly used in this thread

Thank you abel.
:hug:

speaking of doctrines being proven false by scripture..you may want to check this thread out I've been posting in

theres a basically universally accepted doctrine which is false:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7311880&page=19

there is an absolutely overwhelming amount of scripture proving this to be the case if your willing to accept it

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You might enjoy some of the musings on this thread too then.
I've been reading it a bit and it's interesting anyhow.
Covers some of what you're looking into.

sunlover

&Abel · Dec 9, 2008

thx so much sunlover! I posted some of what I've learned over the past couple days there

Catherineanne · Dec 10, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
This thread is not about what makes one a Christian. It's about the best norma normans for the evaluation of doctrine. You know that.

Not so. We are not seeking the 'best norma normans for the evaluation of doctrine'; that was not what I asked for when starting this thread, and it is not what I am looking for now.

Here is the question again:

Sola Scriptura
The question is simple;

By what Biblical authority does the doctrine of Sola Scriptura stand?

Many thanks.

Catherineanne · Dec 10, 2008

Standing Up said:
Before you forget the words, you may want to consider backing up when you quote Is. 28:13 to His question and His answer at 28:9-12. Your quote is for those who would not listen and so stumble, etc.

Thank you for your interpretation. I disagree, because your scale is too small on this one. Isaiah's words are spoken to the whole Jewish nation, and tell them in no uncertain terms that by following the words of the law, but forgetting the heart, they have fallen away from God.

He then tells them that, as a result of this, the Messiah is on his way to the threshing floor, to do some threshing.

This message is consistent with the whole Incarnation, and with every word spoken by Our Lord, and everything he does.

Catherineanne · Dec 10, 2008

Standing Up said:
"Oh that my words were written! Oh that they were inscribed in a book!" That with an iron stylus and lead They were engraved in the rock forever!

They were.

Which version of Scripture are you suggesting was engraved in rock to stand forever? ^_^

Catherineanne · Dec 10, 2008

Rick Otto said:
Sadly, this sounds plausible if not bizarre.
Could you PM me that definition so I can see how it violates rule # ?

The definition was posted several times in the early part of the thread, and in the end he was told to stop repeating the same stuff over and over, because it was in danger of turning into spam. Any comment about what it said just resulted in the same message being repeated.

It is not the content that was the problem, it was the repetition. It is mischievous of him to claim that he is forbidden to post this again; he is pushing boundaries of tolerance to see how far they will go, and playing victim.

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