The Great Mystery of Godliness

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1 tim 3:

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The most unique being to ever grace the world, the planet, is The Lord Jesus christ, Gods only begotten Son.

Only begotten is the greek word:
monogençs:
single of its kind, only
a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jesus is Unique indeed to serve Gods redemptive purpose. Jesus christ is Two beings, Divine and Human [man] This is the great mystery of Godliness and sets forth the true doctrine of Immanuel Matt 1:

23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

One in whom it pleased the father that the fulness of the Godhead dwelleth: col 2:

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead[ Deity] bodily.

Yes He has two natures, and even moreso, He is two beings in one person.

There is no nature without a being, there is no Divine being without a divine nature and there is no human being without a human nature..and yet He is one person..

He derived his sacred human nature from The Father, and He recieves His Divine Nature from God the word..

In His Divine being He is uncreated and unbegotten, and in His humanity he was begotten before time [as we know it as finite creatures] began..

This is a great mystery, not many will be able to receive it..

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He derived his sacred human nature from The Father, and He recieves His Divine Nature from God the word..

In His Divine being He is uncreated and unbegotten, and in His humanity he was begotten before time [as we know it as finite creatures] began..

This is a great mystery, not many will be able to receive it..

indebted to ron pounds for some of these special thoughts..

Very touching post. Something about it made my heart warm towards you.

The relationship between the Father and the Son seems to be that the Father had begotten the Son uniquely. I feel that the person Christ (the Son) is eternally begotten and that the Divine essence of Christ was never begotten, and that the human nature was made. I made a post in the thread "He that hath seen me has seen the Father!". It might be enlightening to some; no pun intended.
 
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I feel that the person Christ (the Son) is eternally begotten and that the Divine essence of Christ was never begotten,

This is right.. Jesus christ according to his sacred humanity was generated out of the Father..but according to His Deity, He is as Self Existing as The Father..

and that the human nature was made.

correct, His human nature from mary, was different because mary was used to form his human nature in the likeness of sinful flesh, instilling in it the sinless infirmities of the flesh..but this was not so with his generated humanity before the world began..

You follow me ?
 
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This is right.. Jesus christ according to his sacred humanity was generated out of the Father..but according to His Deity, He is as Self Existing as The Father..



correct, His human nature from mary, was different because mary was used to form his human nature in the likeness of sinful flesh, instilling in it the sinless infirmities of the flesh..but this was not so with his generated humanity before the world began..

You follow me ?

Yes I follow. Yet, I might differe slightly in my understanding. According to tradition, and you may correct me if I am wrong, there are three things to talk about I think.

First, the Divine essence of Christ, which was eternal and never begotten; second, the person Christ, who was begotten eternally of the Father; and third, the human essence of Christ, which was made at the conception and added a completed second essence to Christ.

I have a question about how the human personality was added to Christ. We know that Jesus took on everything that needed to be redeemed in humanity. For example, our human peronalities, and essence. Since a person is not an essence, could it stand to reason that the one person, Christ, took onto himself and added to himself the human personal traits in order to make him a human and divine person as well? I have trouble trying to reconcile the human and Divine personalities.

We know there could not be a blending of the two natures to make an entirely different nature (let's call it Div-man), as this would cause Christ to lose both natures altogether -- Euthychianism.

There was only one person in Christ, otherwise we would have two separate people, one human and on Divine, and this would make Jesus a mere godly man, and not God.

In Christ there were two natures, Divine and human. Now, the person Christ, is that both human and Divine? If so what is the relationship? We cannot blend the persons to make a separate type of person, otherwise we would lose both human and Divine person. Yet, should the persons be separate, we would have two different people.

Somehow Christ, in his Divinity, took on human personality in such a way that the Divine person was not lost, yet was not separate from the human person.

Or maybe I'm making a category error. Perhaps it is not proper to speak of a human or Divine person. Perhaps the human/Divine aspect of something pertains only to its essence and not person?
 
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First, the Divine essence of Christ, which was eternal and never begotten

Right God The Son [The word] who was God jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

second, the person Christ, who was begotten eternally of the Father;

right this is the sacred humanity of The man christ Jesus..this was begotten or generated out of God..set up as the mediator of men..

third, the human essence of Christ, which was made at the conception and added a completed second essence to Christ

disagree..here, the human esence of christ would have been genrated in the sacred humanity of Jesus christ afore mentioned above..however this sacred humanity was very glorious..jn 17:

5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This glory was set aside in the virgin birth..phil 2:

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Since a person is not an essence

I would beg to differ here.. when Jesus told the thief on the cross, this day you shall with me be in paradise..lk 24:

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Jesus wasnt talking about their bodies being in paradise, for they would be lying silent in the tombs, but the essence of their beings would be in paradise..Their Individuality would be in paradise..

We know there could not be a blending of the two natures to make an entirely different nature (let's call it Div-man), as this would cause Christ to lose both natures altogether -- Euthychianism.

There was only one person in Christ, otherwise we would have two separate people, one human and on Divine, and this would make Jesus a mere godly man, and not God.

In Christ there were two natures, Divine and human. Now, the person Christ, is that both human and Divine? If so what is the relationship? We cannot blend the persons to make a separate type of person, otherwise we would lose both human and Divine person. Yet, should the persons be separate, we would have two different people.

Somehow Christ, in his Divinity, took on human personality in such a way that the Divine person was not lost, yet was not separate from the human person.

Or maybe I'm making a category error. Perhaps it is not proper to speak of a human or Divine person. Perhaps the human/Divine aspect of something pertains only to its essence and not person?

The One person of Christ is composed of two Beings, one human and one divine..two natures, one human one divine..
 
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1 tim 3:

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The most unique being to ever grace the world, the planet, is The Lord Jesus christ, Gods only begotten Son.

Only begotten is the greek word:
monogençs:
single of its kind, only
a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jesus is Unique indeed to serve Gods redemptive purpose. Jesus christ is Two beings, Divine and Human [man] This is the great mystery of Godliness and sets forth the true doctrine of Immanuel Matt 1:

23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

One in whom it pleased the father that the fulness of the Godhead dwelleth: col 2:

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead[ Deity] bodily.

Yes He has two natures, and even moreso, He is two beings in one person.

There is no nature without a being, there is no Divine being without a divine nature and there is no human being without a human nature..and yet He is one person..

He derived his sacred human nature from The Father, and He recieves His Divine Nature from God the word..

In His Divine being He is uncreated and unbegotten, and in His humanity he was begotten before time [as we know it as finite creatures] began..

This is a great mystery, not many will be able to receive it..

indebted to ron pounds for some of these special thoughts..

No. Jesus Christ was one person adn one subject. He was begotten. Singular. The mystery of the incarnation is that the Word became flesh. That God was born, suffered, died, and rose again. God was begotten. That means his divine nature was part of what was begotten. The divine nature made the birth of the huma nature its own. Check out Cril of Alexandria and the Nestorian heresy. Check out Chalcedon also. These fathers believed in Theotokos or God bearer. Mary was the God bearer. You are close but not exactly right.
 
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The One person of Christ is composed of two Beings, one human and one divine..two natures, one human one divine..

No. Not two beings. Two natures. I think there is a big difference between the two. Two beings =two subjects or two persons. At least that is how I look at it. Two natures does not.
 
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No. Jesus Christ was one person adn one subject. He was begotten. Singular.

I already see you lack spiritual discernment..The bible speaks of more than one begotten of The Lord Jesus christ..

For He was begotten in heaven before he was born on earth..jn 3:

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He was begotten by mary ..in matt 2:

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

The word born here is the greek word:
gennaō:
of men who fathered children
a) to be born
b) to be begotten
1) of women giving birth to children

Then thirdly, at his resurrection, scripture says he was begotten..rev 1:

And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

So already, you do err not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God..
 
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Blasphemy..The God Man was begotten..only the Humanity of the GodMan was ever begotten, not His Deity..

No both were. are you a Nestorian? Is Christ more than one subject? Is he two sons? I think Cyril of Alexandria and the Fathers of the church were right. Cyril and the rest of the Orthodox Fatehrs disagree with you. Along with Calvin, Luther, and Puritan John Owen. I can name more but I think you get my drift. Pretty much all of orthodox Christianity before you disagrees with you.
 
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Thats just what you think..Jesus christ is One Person with two natures and two beings..This is a act of God here, not something that is man made..

Again two natures does not equal two beings. Christ is one being. The Word became Flesh and dwelt amongst us. It is not the Word attached the Flesh to itself and they dwelt among us.
 
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Again two natures does not equal two beings. Christ is one being.

A being has a nature..As God, Jesus is the uncreated word jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word as God is not created..

As Jesus christ, he is man..The mediator 1tim 2:

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Here was begotten by God..here he had a beginning , but it was before the world began, which means it could have been millions of years before the world was created..
 
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A being has a nature..As God, Jesus is the uncreated word jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word as God is not created..

As Jesus christ, he is man..The mediator 1tim 2:

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Here was begotten by God..here he had a beginning , but it was before the world began, which means it could have been millions of years before the world was created..


Who said the Word had a beginning? I didn't. All I said was teh God was born, lived, suffered, died, and rose again. I think a famous creed or two says something like that.
 
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only in your decieved mind..you serve greek philosophy..

Greek philosophy? That response is so lame. Harnack has proven to be more of a hack than anything else. That whole Greek Philosophy thing is so passe.
 
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