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are you talking about the drug abuse part?
Yes, he says he is delivered of that now though. Like I said, he is just really strange. He doesn't trust any organized church or denomination at all and believes people need to get out of their churches because they are all demonized and run by Satanists.

See he claims to be a born again believer but he just is really strange. It's like he's totally paranoid now of both Satanists and the church establishment.
 
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Wrong! We aren't praying (or maybe we are...crying out for the Lord for help?) The Holy Spirit is praying for us with the things He knows we want and need! A born again person will not want to do what they are doing...Paul said it himself that he continually did what he didn't want to do. Why didn't he want to do it? If he was sinning then he was obviously not walking in the spirit....and yet...he could still recognised that he didn't want to do it and cried out 'who will save me'...then the answer came in Romans 8...walking the spirit!

So our spirit is crying out on our behalf! Leading us unto repentence and bringing us back to what we should be doing.

Why do you think the shepherd leaves the 99 and goes and finds the one who's gone astray...if he's gone astray then he's not exactly walking right is he? And yet he will be found and brought back to the flock...and disciplined YET AGAIN as to the dangers of wandering off!

Our spirits don't lead us--the Holy Spirit does. When I was in my backslidden state, I knew I was in a bad place, and the Lord brought me back in response to others' prayers. My heart wasn't asking. It was running.

I have no idea why you are disagreeing. I agree--the Father seeks us out. We don't necessarily have to be praying about it.
 
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Yes, he says he is delivered of that now though. Like I said, he is just really strange. He doesn't trust any organized church or denomination at all and believes people need to get out of their churches because they are all demonized and run by Satanists.

See he claims to be a born again believer but he just is really strange. It's like he's totally paranoid now of both Satanists and the church establishment.

That is so sad, he needs lots of prayer.
 
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Just because I dont believe the story, doesnt mean that it cannot be put to good use. If you believe the story, and it causes you to pray more intensely to make sure the prayer get through. Then I say, Praise God. Also, just because I dont believe it, doesnt mean that I think it has no truth in it.

This is really not about praying intensely. It is about praying rightly and effectively. The man has some valuable insight as to what happens when the righteous pray from his life in the world of the demonic, as he has been privy to demonic knowledge.
 
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This is really not about praying intensely. It is about praying rightly and effectively. The man has some valuable insight as to what happens when the righteous pray from his life in the world of the demonic, as he has been privy to demonic knowledge.

Thats something I can agree on. He did have inside info on the demonic world.
 
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Yes, He leads us to repentance. If it wasn't for the prayers of the faithful, I may not have returned to the fold.

Without Christ, my sin would be separating me from Him even now.

Ok almost there. But your Holy Spirit wasn't just sitting there looking all pretty while you were out there being dumb. He was praying, leading, guiding you back to the flock. You say the prayers of the faithful? Yes a little bit of that too...for you...but not for me though, all I had was the Holy Spirit, no one else!

When we are in that state we are in hopelessness...only there is hope and it's within us, even when we are in that state and think it is hopeless. I wasn't in the position to repent....to be honest...not for the longest time. The reason was because I felt that I may as well give up and sin all day long because no matter what I did I could never live up to God's expectations...even when I'm trying hard not to sin...I still sinned and was taught that if God came back at that moment then I wouldn't make it....I'd lose my salvation.

So if trying...didn't work...then why bother...I may as well die! Do you understand the position of someone who knows that what they were doing was sinful and meant death.....cared....but felt hopeless to change that fact, so gave up?

I wasn't praying.....I wasn't doing anything but crying to God in anger and frustration! No one was praying for me either. It was just me....and God! That's it!!!

But deep inside was a yearning...the yearning of something I already knew, that I had experienced and a hope that I just couldn't deny, no matter how hard I tried! And that yearning was the Holy Spirit praying...Christ was saying to God "She'll make it Father....she will...she belongs to me...so she will come back to you Father so don't lose hope in her" AND HE NEVER DID!

I am here today because the effectual fervent prayers of a righteous man availeth much....and those prayers were answered...cos I'm here!
 
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That is so sad, he needs lots of prayer.
He has a website and radio program called The Zeph Report, I don't remember if it's .com or .org. Actually I don't know if it is a radio program or one of those web cast things they have now. Last time I was there was maybe 2 years ago or more. But if you visit the site there are many streaming audios if you care to hear just how strange he is.

And when he starts talking about the demonic world, he gets even stranger!
 
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Ok almost there. But your Holy Spirit wasn't just sitting there looking all pretty while you were out there being dumb. He was praying, leading, guiding you back to the flock. You say the prayers of the faithful? Yes a little bit of that too...for you...but not for me though, all I had was the Holy Spirit, no one else!

When we are in that state we are in hopelessness...only there is hope and it's within us, even when we are in that state and think it is hopeless. I wasn't in the position to repent....to be honest...not for the longest time. The reason was because I felt that I may as well give up and sin all day long because no matter what I did I could never live up to God's expectations...even when I'm trying hard not to sin...I still sinned and was taught that if God came back at that moment then I wouldn't make it....I'd lose my salvation.

So if trying...didn't work...then why bother...I may as well die! Do you understand the position of someone who knows that what they were doing was sinful and meant death.....cared....but felt hopeless to change that fact, so gave up?

I wasn't praying.....I wasn't doing anything but crying to God in anger and frustration! No one was praying for me either. It was just me....and God! That's it!!!

But deep inside was a yearning...the yearning of something I already knew, that I had experienced and a hope that I just couldn't deny, no matter how hard I tried! And that yearning was the Holy Spirit praying...Christ was saying to God "She'll make it Father....she will...she belongs to me...so she will come back to you Father so don't lose hope in her" AND HE NEVER DID!

I am here today because the effectual fervent prayers of a righteous man availeth much....and those prayers were answered...cos I'm here!

Your yearning heart and godly sorrow that leads to repentance is was brought you back, by the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Welcome back to the family of God! We backsliders have great testimonies!
 
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The man has some valuable insight as to what happens when the righteous pray from his life in the world of the demonic, as he has been privy to demonic knowledge.


If we need to know anything about prayer, the Holy Spirit will reveal it to us - we have the mind of Christ after all.

How can anything learnt from demons be "valuable"?

I am weak and poor in soul, but my spirit is alive in Him, and therefore I do not need to wrestle my way out, I need to learn more and more of resting in what he is doing.
 
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So, this guy says something. That has no biblical foundation. And because he use to be a satanist. We give him more credit to tell us what to believe, than we give our own pastors and spiritual leaders? Did I miss something?

good point !
 
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There are some truths in what he says.

However, it is obvious he does not bring an understanding of the word, the new birth, faith, and grace into the situation.

The most truthful thing said is the power of prayer when demonic influences are involved.
 
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This doesn't say your prayers will not be heard by God but only that God is not obilgated to answer them. The man in the OP is saying something totally different though, he's saying that your prayers wont even reach God's ears.
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Has anyone considered...that while we are in our sinful state where we have walked away from God...that anything that we could possibly ask for in prayer would have the same answer anyway? He will always answer us by bringing us back to the flock...because that is what our prayer is when we are in that state!

So yes he does answer us...indeed! For if he didn't then we'd all be backsliders!

He doesn't answer us the way in which we think he should, and in our sinful state what we 'think' we need isn't what we need...but the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered. We don't know how to pray as we ought ESPECIALLY if we're in the state of sin! But our spirit knows our needs and prays for us...effectually and fervently and our Fathers answers our prayers by bringing us back to the cross...so we repent.
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Matthew 18:12-14 "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
 
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If we need to know anything about prayer, the Holy Spirit will reveal it to us - we have the mind of Christ after all.

How can anything learnt from demons be "valuable"?

I am weak and poor in soul, but my spirit is alive in Him, and therefore I do not need to wrestle my way out, I need to learn more and more of resting in what he is doing.


The only thing that is valuable is the man's testimony. Every believer has one. Everyone can learn from a testimony about what to avoid, and what is to be embraced...Jesus Christ and His salvation and freedom.
 
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So, this guy says something. That has no biblical foundation. And because he use to be a satanist. We give him more credit to tell us what to believe, than we give our own pastors and spiritual leaders? Did I miss something?

Don't assign more importance to this than necessary. The man is not being given more "credit" than anyone. Someone who used to worship Satan and now worshups Jesus Christ has quite a story to tell, and he would have more first-hand knowledge of the realm of darkness than most of us would.

Regarding prayer--ask any gifted intercessor and they will tell you that this rings true.

As I said before, you many discount any part of it if you wish, but there is truth in it.
 
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Don't assign more importance to this than necessary. The man is not being given more "credit" than anyone. Someone who used to worship Satan and now worshups Jesus Christ has quite a story to tell, and he would have more first-hand knowledge of the realm of darkness than most of us would.

Regarding prayer--ask any gifted intercessor and they will tell you that this rings true.

As I said before, you many discount any part of it if you wish, but there is truth in it.
:amen:
 
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Ok,this the last off topic post,out of respect to ax..


you said you wanted Gun control.

Then you said it was good the farmer killed to defend his family..

Then when I asked you..

How could he have done that,if he was disarmed by the gov?

You then had some sort of spin..

Thank you,case closed.

Lets stay on topic.:)

You are the one who brought it up.
You never attempted to gain understanding of what I was talking about.
I have noticed that when you 'debate' you just go hell and tooth loudly and proudly trying to prove someone wrong without even listening or reading the opposing argument really.
I'll make it clearer for you, Your debating style has a lot to be desired.
 
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Your yearning heart and godly sorrow that leads to repentance is was brought you back, by the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Welcome back to the family of God! We backsliders have great testimonies!

Yes but it was my spirit...my born again spirit that was yearning and praying...my fleshly self wasn't though...full of confusion and hopelessness. But I didn't want to do what I was doing...my spirit knew hope...my spirit kept crying out to the Lord. He heard and He answered. That's my point. The righteous part in us...the Holy Spirit filled part...is the righteous one that prayers fervently.

But thank you...yeh backsliding is never fun...you come back and wonder why in the world you left in the first place.
 
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