The Democrats didn't have a veto-proof majority. And Pelosi is an idiot.
And you are downright evil if you take joy in others failing because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised you're even able to call yourself a Christian.
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And you are downright evil if you take joy in others failing because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised you're even able to call yourself a Christian.
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And you are downright evil if you take joy in others failing because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised you're even able to call yourself a Christian.
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If you believe something to be evil should you not oppose it/reject it and then take joy in it failing? The failure is part of the proof that it was evil.
I believe there two aspects to defining evil. The first is that the Bible says it is evil, and that physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning about evil, read the Bible, or you can just wait till the disease, death and destruction sets in. With some evil like homosexuality, the disease, death and destruction is quick, but with other evil like feminism, it takes a long time for the disease, death and destruction to be obvious.
I believe one of the basic differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals think the failure of a person is caused by other people, but I believe failure comes mostly from the sinful lifestyle of the person.
I believe the Bible teaches personal responsibility, but I also acknowledge the message God sent in the form of the Book of Job.
And you are downright evil if you take joy in others failing because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised you're even able to call yourself a Christian.
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If you believe something to be evil should you not oppose it/reject it and then take joy in it failing? The failure is part of the proof that it was evil.
I believe there two aspects to defining evil. The first is that the Bible says it is evil, and that physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction. If you want advanced warning about evil, read the Bible, or you can just wait till the disease, death and destruction sets in. With some evil like homosexuality, the disease, death and destruction is quick, but with other evil like feminism, it takes a long time for the disease, death and destruction to be obvious.
I believe one of the basic differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals think the failure of a person is caused by other people, but I believe failure comes mostly from the sinful lifestyle of the person.
I believe the Bible teaches personal responsibility, but I also acknowledge the message God sent in the form of the Book of Job.
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McCain was evil? He failed, therefore he is evil. That's odd.
...does that make Mike Huckabee evil too?
What about the South Dakota law banning abortion that got overturned? Was that evil?
What about the proposition in Colorado to give personhood to fetuses? That failed. It must have been evil. It is evil for fetuses to be considered people?
I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
A broad brush can never create a masterpiece alone. Fine detail eludes it.
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TheReasoner
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Capitalism ≠ Christianity and God ≠ Money
How come some members here seem to fail to realize those facts.
Also (And I'll make this a large type):
Obama ≠ Socialist Nor is he a Marxist. Nor a Communist. And I am pretty sure he's not the antichrist either. Nor a Martian. Will I have to keep pointing out the obvious?
The USA is not a socialist nation. Nor will Obama make it socialist.
How come some members here seem to fail to realize those facts.
Also (And I'll make this a large type):
Obama ≠ Socialist Nor is he a Marxist. Nor a Communist. And I am pretty sure he's not the antichrist either. Nor a Martian. Will I have to keep pointing out the obvious?
The USA is not a socialist nation. Nor will Obama make it socialist.
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I recommend a read of 'The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism' by Max Weber, faith_guardian.
It's a good piece of analysis, and although I'm betting few people who claim that Christianity actually does = Capitalism have ever read it, it does give them an eloquent excuse for claiming so.
A wrong excuse, but there you go
It's a good piece of analysis, and although I'm betting few people who claim that Christianity actually does = Capitalism have ever read it, it does give them an eloquent excuse for claiming so.
A wrong excuse, but there you go
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I recommend a read of 'The Spirit of Capitalism and the Protestant Ethic' by Max Weber, faith_guardian.
It's a good piece of analysis, and although I'm betting few people who claim that Christianity actually does = Capitalism have ever read it, it does give them an eloquent excuse for claiming so.
A wrong excuse, but there you go
Heavens, no. Christianity is not about an economic model. Certainly not one which encourages abuse of the poor by the rich. Capitalism would have been fine, had human beings been able to have that (or any) system without abusing what came with it. But we're humans. We'll abuse whatever we can for personal profit. And because capitalism not only allows that, but by inaction encourages it it cannot be called Christian. You can read whatever book you want, you can be as eloquent as you wish. Pretty words are not going to make a system which encourages and thrives on abuse of the weak Christian. Not by a long-shot.
Jesus told people to pay their taxes. He never said it was theft. And the first Christians were communists who belonged to the very lower levels of society. Jesus said we were to do onto the least of those among us as we would onto Him. He told us to help the weak, the poor, the sick. He did NOT tell us "Seek ye a system which will empower the powerful, weaken the weak, enrich the rich and make the poor poorer." No, if we are to make a political and economic system out of that which He taught us it would have to be a system the poor and the weak benefit from. NOT one which harms them, while helping the rich and powerful.
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I worded my post rather poorly, but the meaning gets across quite when I quoted your post.
So you're against feminism? Would you rather woman be sitting at home cooking, cleaning, and washing dishes all day? And I don't see how Homosexuality brings quick death and destruction, as I know homosexuals in long lasting relationships, and they aren't dead or dying.
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I disagree completely and wholeheartedly with the idea that Capitalism is the true expression of Christianity (sorry if I was a bit unclear in my previous post). However I have to agree with Weber's premise though (hear me out first
). As a very brief overview, he works in the concept of Calvinist predestination to therefore demonstrate how people have to excel in their calling for the greater glory of God so as to prove they are one of the elect. As a result of this toil, they produce capital that, given the asceticism radical protestantism of the 17th century subscribed to, has to be reinvested, giving rise to the basics of a capitalist society. So while he may be correct about one of the causes that gave rise to the conditions (namely a world view focused on the accumulation of capital) necessary for capitalism, I disagree that it was an inevitability as a result of accurate scriptural analysis.
Christianity = Capitalism is one of the biggest
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I recommend a read of 'The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism' by Max Weber, faith_guardian.
It's a good piece of analysis, and although I'm betting few people who claim that Christianity actually does = Capitalism have ever read it, it does give them an eloquent excuse for claiming so.
A wrong excuse, but there you go
++ for referencing Weber
<3 conflict theory
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So...Trees are "good"; mushrooms, "evil".
God...being self-sustaining is "good", people (who must rely on God for life), "evil".
Sol...generator of most the energy in it's system, "good"; Earth, a parasitic dust-speck in the cosmos, leeching off of Sol, "evil".
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
The tree, though, is on Earth, and is using Sol's energy to create it's own food. The nutrients that would otherwise be unavailable to the tree are provided (in part) by the evil mushroom.
So the "pattern" is an indefensible premise, which, if rejected, blows the rest of your post away.
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So you're against feminism? Would you rather woman be sitting at home cooking, cleaning, and washing dishes all day? And I don't see how Homosexuality brings quick death and destruction, as I know homosexuals in long lasting relationships, and they aren't dead or dying.
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I believe feminism is evil because it destroys the Biblical concept of a family which is a man as the head of a home, and the woman as the caretaker of the home. The man should be an example of righteousness to the children and the woman should be an example of love to the children. Children have a hard time understanding God as a loving but righteous God because they are not in a home where there is an example of love and righteousness. The destruction of the Christian Family concept will lead to disease, death and destruction, but it will take generations to see the effects.
I believe homosexuality is evil because the Bible says it is evil and there is physical proof that homosexuality leads to disease, death and destruction, as shown by the 2 million deaths per year due to AIDS.
There is a choice of the Christian Lifestyle discussed in Bible or the Atheistic Lifestyle. The election of the people who will control the government is one of the ways a person chooses either the Christian Lifestyle or the Atheistic Lifestyle.
Atheistic Lifestyle
The Atheistic Lifestyle is condoning, advocating or participating in extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, inappropriate contentography, abortion, homosexuality, etc.
People that advocate the Atheistic Lifestyle usually oppose the death penalty, oppose wars, accept evolution, demand separation of church and state, hope medical science will cure all disease, hope science will explain creation, hope government will provide for all human needs, etc.
So you're against feminism? Would you rather woman be sitting at home cooking, cleaning, and washing dishes all day? And I don't see how Homosexuality brings quick death and destruction, as I know homosexuals in long lasting relationships, and they aren't dead or dying.
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I believe feminism is evil because it destroys the Biblical concept of a family which is a man as the head of a home, and the woman as the caretaker of the home. The man should be an example of righteousness to the children and the woman should be an example of love to the children. Children have a hard time understanding God as a loving but righteous God because they are not in a home where there is an example of love and righteousness. The destruction of the Christian Family concept will lead to disease, death and destruction, but it will take generations to see the effects.
I believe homosexuality is evil because the Bible says it is evil and there is physical proof that homosexuality leads to disease, death and destruction, as shown by the 2 million deaths per year due to AIDS.
There is a choice of the Christian Lifestyle discussed in Bible or the Atheistic Lifestyle. The election of the people who will control the government is one of the ways a person chooses either the Christian Lifestyle or the Atheistic Lifestyle.
Atheistic Lifestyle
The Atheistic Lifestyle is condoning, advocating or participating in extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, inappropriate contentography, abortion, homosexuality, etc.
People that advocate the Atheistic Lifestyle usually oppose the death penalty, oppose wars, accept evolution, demand separation of church and state, hope medical science will cure all disease, hope science will explain creation, hope government will provide for all human needs, etc.
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McCain was evil? He failed, therefore he is evil. That's odd.
...does that make Mike Huckabee evil too?
What about the South Dakota law banning abortion that got overturned? Was that evil?
What about the proposition in Colorado to give personhood to fetuses? That failed. It must have been evil. It is evil for fetuses to be considered people?
I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
A broad brush can never create a masterpiece alone. Fine detail eludes it.
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I use a two part proof that something is evil. The main part is that the Bible defines that it is evil and the second part is that physical reality shows it leads to disease death and destruction.
I also believe in the concept that, "You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
How do you define evil?
Does your definition allow you to predict evil thus preventing you from getting involved in evil?
McCain was evil? He failed, therefore he is evil. That's odd.
...does that make Mike Huckabee evil too?
What about the South Dakota law banning abortion that got overturned? Was that evil?
What about the proposition in Colorado to give personhood to fetuses? That failed. It must have been evil. It is evil for fetuses to be considered people?
I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
A broad brush can never create a masterpiece alone. Fine detail eludes it.
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I use a two part proof that something is evil. The main part is that the Bible defines that it is evil and the second part is that physical reality shows it leads to disease death and destruction.
I also believe in the concept that, "You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
How do you define evil?
Does your definition allow you to predict evil thus preventing you from getting involved in evil?
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Heavens, no. Christianity is not about an economic model. Certainly not one which encourages abuse of the poor by the rich. Capitalism would have been fine, had human beings been able to have that (or any) system without abusing what came with it. But we're humans. We'll abuse whatever we can for personal profit. And because capitalism not only allows that, but by inaction encourages it it cannot be called Christian. You can read whatever book you want, you can be as eloquent as you wish. Pretty words are not going to make a system which encourages and thrives on abuse of the weak Christian. Not by a long-shot.
Jesus told people to pay their taxes. He never said it was theft. And the first Christians were communists who belonged to the very lower levels of society. Jesus said we were to do onto the least of those among us as we would onto Him. He told us to help the weak, the poor, the sick. He did NOT tell us "Seek ye a system which will empower the powerful, weaken the weak, enrich the rich and make the poor poorer." No, if we are to make a political and economic system out of that which He taught us it would have to be a system the poor and the weak benefit from. NOT one which harms them, while helping the rich and powerful.
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I agree that the Bible is not about an economic model, but given a choose of Capitalism or Socialism as economic models, I believe the Bible favor Capitalism.
The key element in the rich or poor discussion is whether the rich abuse the poor or the poor allow themselves to be abused. I believe it is both. The rich abuse the poor and the poor allow the rich to abuse them. Advertizing and the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry can tell you that beer is good and make you happy, but no one is forced to buy beer. The same is true of adultery, fornication, divorce, homosexuality, etc.
I believe the thing that causes most poverty, and needy people is sin. The sin of the rich man is offering evil and the sin of the poor man is accepting evil.
The solution for both and all in between is accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. The Bible provides advanced warning of what is evil so that people can prevent themselves from getting ensnared in evil. The Bible provides the Beatitudes of how to live the Christian Lifestyle so as to avoid evil.
America is in great trouble because there is not agreement on what is evil. Many do not want to discuss evil because they are ensnared in evil, thus would be condemning themselves if they discussed evil.
One of the ways people choose good and evil is by the people they elect to control the government. How can you choose good people to control the government when you do not know what is evil?
There is a lot of talk about rich and poor, but I believe the real subject should have been good and evil. The problem is that too many people reject the Bible so there is no bases for discussion. Humanists think they could have done better than the Bible, and Christians are too meek to defend their faith.
The Bible says the meek will inherit the earth, but I was hoping for heaven. I will agree with a person being meek of heart, but too many Christians are physically and mentally meek.
Heavens, no. Christianity is not about an economic model. Certainly not one which encourages abuse of the poor by the rich. Capitalism would have been fine, had human beings been able to have that (or any) system without abusing what came with it. But we're humans. We'll abuse whatever we can for personal profit. And because capitalism not only allows that, but by inaction encourages it it cannot be called Christian. You can read whatever book you want, you can be as eloquent as you wish. Pretty words are not going to make a system which encourages and thrives on abuse of the weak Christian. Not by a long-shot.
Jesus told people to pay their taxes. He never said it was theft. And the first Christians were communists who belonged to the very lower levels of society. Jesus said we were to do onto the least of those among us as we would onto Him. He told us to help the weak, the poor, the sick. He did NOT tell us "Seek ye a system which will empower the powerful, weaken the weak, enrich the rich and make the poor poorer." No, if we are to make a political and economic system out of that which He taught us it would have to be a system the poor and the weak benefit from. NOT one which harms them, while helping the rich and powerful.
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I agree that the Bible is not about an economic model, but given a choose of Capitalism or Socialism as economic models, I believe the Bible favor Capitalism.
The key element in the rich or poor discussion is whether the rich abuse the poor or the poor allow themselves to be abused. I believe it is both. The rich abuse the poor and the poor allow the rich to abuse them. Advertizing and the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry can tell you that beer is good and make you happy, but no one is forced to buy beer. The same is true of adultery, fornication, divorce, homosexuality, etc.
I believe the thing that causes most poverty, and needy people is sin. The sin of the rich man is offering evil and the sin of the poor man is accepting evil.
The solution for both and all in between is accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. The Bible provides advanced warning of what is evil so that people can prevent themselves from getting ensnared in evil. The Bible provides the Beatitudes of how to live the Christian Lifestyle so as to avoid evil.
America is in great trouble because there is not agreement on what is evil. Many do not want to discuss evil because they are ensnared in evil, thus would be condemning themselves if they discussed evil.
One of the ways people choose good and evil is by the people they elect to control the government. How can you choose good people to control the government when you do not know what is evil?
There is a lot of talk about rich and poor, but I believe the real subject should have been good and evil. The problem is that too many people reject the Bible so there is no bases for discussion. Humanists think they could have done better than the Bible, and Christians are too meek to defend their faith.
The Bible says the meek will inherit the earth, but I was hoping for heaven. I will agree with a person being meek of heart, but too many Christians are physically and mentally meek.
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Okay Clirus. Let me ask you a couple of questions about this.
Why do you consider socialism an 'atheistic lifestyle'? To be honest, I am not sure you know what socialism is. Can you care to explain what you define as socialism, and why you consider it atheistic?
Also, what about "extreme environmentalism"? First off, what do you mean by this? Doesn't the bible ask us to take care of this world?
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I cannot define evil. Any attempt to do so on my part would result in some things that are evil being missed out of the definition, or some things that are not evil being included in it. This is why broad sweeping definitions will not work here. I can think of multiple things that I consider to be evil, but I cannot link ALL of them with a singular definition that would be sufficient.
Not sure what you mean by 'not getting involved in evil'. We all sin. It's inevitable. I avoid it as much as I can but we cannot prevent it all the time.
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And I believe the opposite. Of course, we probably differ on what we perceive socialism to be. Also, please remember there are more views than socialism and capitalism. That said:
If you are to attach Christian ideals to an economic model, the model would have to be one which does help those in need of help. And that cannot include capitalism without an extremely strong inherent moral consciousness in the population. One so strong society at large is incapable of it. Capitalism will and does favor those who are willing to take less moral steps to ensure their profit. As such it is not a system I can say I even remotely associate with Christianity. What I DO associate it with after working with satanists is precisely satanism. Satanism is not usually devil worship, but rather a worship of the self. An exaltation of selfishness, satanism often preaches that only the strong deserve life. This is also what capitalism preaches through the consequences of the ideology's most pure form. It preaches that you shall do whatever you can to further yourself, step on people to achieve it. If others are abused by you, it is their fault for being too weak to avoid it. Again, through the direct consequences of real-life application of capitalism we see similarities.
Are you kidding Clirus? If you think poor choose their poverty, you might be right in a very very few people in the west. But the VAST majority are poor through no choice of their own, and usually due to choices made by the elite. Either in companies/corporations (or similar things) or government.
So, if you're the average poor person, you're evil? If you're born into poverty in "smokey mountain" or a similar place, it's because of your own sin? If you, in such a situation have too little money to survive, and all the job offers you get give you so little money you're unable to buy enough food for the salary you get, then it is your fault? Clirus, please, I implore you - go to one such place (though not alone) and spend time with them. Work with them in a missions situation for example.
Accepting Jesus will not give you money. The wealth He offers is not cash. I have met wonderful Christians who were too poor to afford electricity and running water. Living in a dirt cabin in the mountains of Ecuador this amazing couple would give us rich Norwegian (or American) missionaries a full meal when we came, even though it meant they would go hungry for a week or two. This couple may have been poor when it comes to money, but I have rarely met anyone with more peace and happiness than that couple. This does not mean they were not in need of help however. It does not mean they were poor because they were evil or lazy. They were hard working people with whom circumstance had played cruel tricks. Yet despite their needs, they were loving, joyful, and peaceful. More so than almost all westerners I have met.
I do not think you should use that word so freely. The world is not separated in good and evil. There are grey zones. Even colors from time to time. Note that I am not saying evil doesn't exist however. It does.
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We're all alive. Being alive leads to death. We are all evil.
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Crushingly logical.
And if we're all evil, then labelling others as evil (with the unspoken assumation being that the person doing so is not) seems a bit...hypocritical.
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Nothing more ironic than a Christian shooting others whom are hungry and in need.
I am feeling the Christian love....
It's pretty gross isn't it? How in the world do some peeps live by using the name of Jesus to justify their Hatred of others?
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John McCain is an adulterer. The Bible defiines adultery as evil.
By campaigning for a party which gives lip service (and little else) to "traditional family values," one could argue that McCain was a hypocrite -- another character flaw the Bible condemns.
These evils contributed to McCain's failure. Will you, clirus, apply your own standard and say John McCain is evil, or will you blame it on "The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry"?*
* DRINK!
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