YES or NO: Is It Fair That Some People Are Going To Hell? (2)

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God Himself is Truth. He lives in me. I have access to all I need as far as truth nis concerned. Not only that, what He gives me in the way of spiritual knowledge is irrefutable, and solid.

No one can take that from any believer. Absolute truth within! Whodathunkit?
 
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If people keep missing your point, have you ever considered the possibility that maybe it is your explanations that are at fault?
I do...and just about the time I have in the past Ive had 20 others tell me that they understood the point perfectly....so Im sure that maybe a bit more attention to detail on the part of the READER might help the matter somewhat.
Little hint....I KNOW that we werent discussing evolution or the medical field at that point in the conversion :thumbsup:


Heisenberg's theories are very VERY well supported by evidence.
So ?
That doesnt mean that we have to question every conclusion to death.
If the guy is right about 1000 theories that DOESNT make him right on everything else.

And evidence is such a funny thing...even you folks are constantly complaining about how we INTERPRET things incorrectly.



Every charector apearing on your screen as you type is a direct demonstration that his uncertainty principle is an accurate descriptor of reality.
OH please. What works on my PC screen has NOTHING to do with GODS absolute truth.
I hope this nonsense isnt what theyre teaching in schools, but Im betting it is.


But I anticipate that you would rather deny reality so that you can make vague and tenuous claims about being in possesion of "Truth".
You knew it was coming so why did you bother ?

Do you see this heading in some other direction at some point, poster?
I AM a lost cause..you are WASTING your time even talking in my direction.
Every word you type is what..a second or so ? every single word you type in response to me is just one more second that youve LOST of your life that you CANT get back.

Can't you see how ludicrous it is to claim to have the complete Truth when you don't have access to every FACT?
Cant you see that the bible ONLY has so many words in it ?
Cant you see that once its ALL taken into account there isnt anything more to add as far as CLEAR instruction goes ?

Cant you see that your question PROVES my point that NO CONCLUSION you will EVER draw is actually a conclusion but is only the BEGINNING of the PERPETUAL question that will NEVER find an answer ?
 
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This is my argument, from page 26. If you choose to ignore it (which is what you're currently doing, apparently), then you can do nothing more in this discussion. I have literally proved you wrong. If you do not see how this argument relates, then I'm not sure how relevant your opinions are, and I certainly don't think you're capable of teaching.


I don't think I was here for page 26. I don't ignore anything.

I have not been proven wrong, because God says I am right here.

My opinions are as valid as yours, and seeing as they are based on the knowledge of God, even moreso. I am not about to alloow myself to be taught by secularists.
 
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Really ?
Share some of them here with us so we can see if we can question those conclusions to death for you.
As I said, this is more about the question than it is the answer.
No worries.

Evolution is an accurate theory. God affirms loving committed homosexual relationships. Jesus wants humans to be happy. Royal Australian Armoured Corps soldiers are the finest warriors in the world and RASigs the finest soldiers anywhere.

There's some conclusions. Question them to your hearts content.
Thats really nice, poster...and for those of us who HAVE read the whole bible and DO continually read it so that WE probably HAVENT missed much of it, if anything ?...are you going to concede the same sort of reasoning on our parts and admit that if we HAVENT missed anything on a given matter that there may not be any additional evidence to find ?
Nope. The possibility always exists that there is more evidence to find. We aren't merely discussing rote learning here, I'm sure that even if you took two people who had memorised the Bible, and knew it word perfect, chapter and verse and could recite it verbatim, even two such people would draw different conclusions about the Bible's inherent meaning. And they can't BOTH be right, can they?
Again...it doesnt matter what conclusion modern thinking comes to, it ALWAYS keeps pushing more questions so that there is NO such thing as objective truth....EVERY conclusion is subjective as it must be in that sort of mindset.
Every conclusion IS subjective, because all the tools we have that can reach them are subjective. It simply is not possible to eliminate subjectivity from any human thought process. That does not mean that there is not an over all, objective Truth out there... it just means that the best humans can do is approximate it. Some approximations are better than others, but ALL are subject to, well, subjectivity.
And WE HERE are discussing scripture.
I realize its hard for some here to grasp, but the bible only has so much data on AnY given topic...so...you know....there isnt some infinite stream of incoming data to constantly be on guard for.
Indeed, but we aren't merely discussing the information in the Bible, are we? We are also discussing interpretation, and the understanding of that information.
1+1=2 is (for the sake of argument) an objective truth. However, understanding WHY 1=1=2 is a totally subjective concept.
There is more to "Truth" than information, right?
Ive READ the bible, poster...I KNOW what it says about things like sex and marriage. There is nothing more to ADD except new revelation...and hopefully you know better than that....
Really? Don't you believe in the second comming? You don't think Jesus will give us new info when he comes again?

Explain for me, please, how two people can read the same passages and interpret them utterly differently?
 
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You knew it was coming so why did you bother ?

Do you see this heading in some other direction at some point, poster?
I AM a lost cause..you are WASTING your time even talking in my direction.
Every word you type is what..a second or so ? every single word you type in response to me is just one more second that youve LOST of your life that you CANT get back.
God calls me to try to teach you his Truth.

I live in constant hope that I may get through to you and those like you. I pray that God forgives me when I run short on patience.
 
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Heres something I find hilarious about this whole thing.

GODS word says 'you shall not steal'
Easy enough...and it OUGHT to be left alone.
But if we play this game some what us to we have to ASSUME that GODS commandment 'DO NOT STEAL' isnt ALL of the data so we have to start questioning it instead of OBEYING IT.

And isnt it funny that in a Garden a LONG time ago there was a woman who had been told not to eat of a certain tree.
ALL she had to DO was OBEY and she'd have been fine.
But someone had to QUESTION the simple COMMAND and in doing so set mankind down a path of darkness that we are still suffering for today.

One simple command.....and Satan there asking questions making it SEEM as tho it wasnt clear...wasnt absolute.
And we wonder why some believers think all this nonsense today isnt directly from Satanic forces ?
 
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OH please. What works on my PC screen has NOTHING to do with GODS absolute truth.
I hope this nonsense isnt what theyre teaching in schools, but Im betting it is.
So... God's absolute Truth doesn't include computers?

Maybe you should define what you mean when you say "absolute truth"?

Because, when I read the phrase "absolute truth", I take it to mean, well... absolute... that is, everything, a totality. But you seem to think of God's "absolute truth" as only relating to some topics, not all. Maybe its just a difference of interpretation and definition that is where we clash here?
 
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Heres something I find hilarious about this whole thing.

GODS word says 'you shall not steal'
Easy enough...and it OUGHT to be left alone.
But if we play this game some what us to we have to ASSUME that GODS commandment 'DO NOT STEAL' isnt ALL of the data so we have to start questioning it instead of OBEYING IT.

And isnt it funny that in a Garden a LONG time ago there was a woman who had been told not to eat of a certain tree.
ALL she had to DO was OBEY and she'd have been fine.
But someone had to QUESTION the simple COMMAND and in doing so set mankind down a path of darkness that we are still suffering for today.

One simple command.....and Satan there asking questions making it SEEM as tho it wasnt clear...wasnt absolute.
And we wonder why some believers think all this nonsense today isnt directly from Satanic forces ?

Thou shalt not steal.

Pretty straight forward... until the question about the man stealing bread for his starving children is raised.
 
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God calls me to try to teach you his Truth.
I reject your teaching...you are not called of God

I live in constant hope that I may get through to you and those like you.
Let me put this bluntly.
(ok...that was a bit much.)
Give up any hope you have of converting me or convincing me.

I pray that God forgives me when I run short on patience.
I pray He silences heresies on this forum
 
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Thou shalt not steal.

Pretty straight forward... until the question about the man stealing bread for his starving children is raised.

The RIGHT thing for the man to do is ASK for food...not steal it :thumbsup:
 
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So... God's absolute Truth doesn't include computers?
What was that chapter and verse again, poster ?
Maybe you should define what you mean when you say "absolute truth"?
The ONLY truth I have that I can compare to...the written word of God.
Because, when I read the phrase "absolute truth", I take it to mean, well... absolute... that is, everything, a totality.
Its pretty meaningless to even discuss the totality now isnt it.
Our weak, fallible minds can barely grasp their own pathetic existence, let alone truth of God that we will not see this side of death.

But you seem to think of God's "absolute truth" as only relating to some topics, not all. Maybe its just a difference of interpretation and definition that is where we clash here?
Im quite sure that our clashing has little to do with this definition.
 
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Thou shalt not steal.

Pretty straight forward... until the question about the man stealing bread for his starving children is raised.
to reiterate....

Heres something I find hilarious about this whole thing.

GODS word says 'you shall not steal'
Easy enough...and it OUGHT to be left alone.
But if we play this game some what us to we have to ASSUME that GODS commandment 'DO NOT STEAL' isnt ALL of the data so we have to start questioning it instead of OBEYING IT.

And isnt it funny that in a Garden a LONG time ago there was a woman who had been told not to eat of a certain tree.
ALL she had to DO was OBEY and she'd have been fine.
But someone had to QUESTION the simple COMMAND and in doing so set mankind down a path of darkness that we are still suffering for today.

One simple command.....and Satan there asking questions making it SEEM as tho it wasnt clear...wasnt absolute.
And we wonder why some believers think all this nonsense today isnt directly from Satanic forces ?
So theres EnemyParty (fitting name, btw) causing us to question GODS commandment..."surely you wont get in trouble if you steal if your hungry"
Sounds SO familiar to the speech in the Garden by the serpent....
 
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Heres something I find hilarious about this whole thing.

GODS word says 'you shall not steal'
Easy enough...and it OUGHT to be left alone.
But if we play this game some what us to we have to ASSUME that GODS commandment 'DO NOT STEAL' isnt ALL of the data so we have to start questioning it instead of OBEYING IT.

And isnt it funny that in a Garden a LONG time ago there was a woman who had been told not to eat of a certain tree.
ALL she had to DO was OBEY and she'd have been fine.
But someone had to QUESTION the simple COMMAND and in doing so set mankind down a path of darkness that we are still suffering for today.

One simple command.....and Satan there asking questions making it SEEM as tho it wasnt clear...wasnt absolute.
And we wonder why some believers think all this nonsense today isnt directly from Satanic forces ?

Thank you for your attempt to bring us WAY BACK to the OP!!
 
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This is my argument, from page 26. If you choose to ignore it (which is what you're currently doing, apparently), then you can do nothing more in this discussion. I have literally proved you wrong. If you do not see how this argument relates, then I'm not sure how relevant your opinions are, and I certainly don't think you're capable of teaching.

Oh, btw, it's not on page 26.
 
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I reject your teaching...you are not called of God

Let me put this bluntly.
(ok...that was a bit much.)
Give up any hope you have of converting me or convincing me.

I pray He silences heresies on this forum
What makes you so sure that you are right and I am wrong?
 
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Our weak, fallible minds can barely grasp their own pathetic existence, let alone truth of God that we will not see this side of death.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I"VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU!!!!

Are you so terrified of agreeing with a homosexual that you have to argue that I am wrong, even when I'm AGREEING with you???
 
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So theres EnemyParty (fitting name, btw) causing us to question GODS commandment..."surely you wont get in trouble if you steal if your hungry"
Sounds SO familiar to the speech in the Garden by the serpent....
You never answered my question.

Starving family, bread on supermarket shelf, store manager won't give it away... choice is limited to steal, or let children die.

What is the correct choice? according to your "Absolute Truth"?
 
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You never answered my question.

Starving family, bread on supermarket shelf, store manager won't give it away... choice is limited to steal, or let children die.

What is the correct choice? according to your "Absolute Truth"?
First off, BOTH ARE SINNING.

1 for not helping a starving man/family
1 for stealing what is not theirs

Theft is theft, apathy is apathy - BOTH are wrong.


But God has an answer for this in Proverbs 6:
30 Men do not despise a thief if he steals
To satisfy himself when he is hungry;
31 But when he is found, he must repay sevenfold;
He must give all the substance of his house.

Then we can add that the starving person should just go
find someone else to help him - not just take from the idiot
who's apathetic to his plight.

But this has NOTHING to do with going to hell or not.
What puts someone in hell is refusal to submit to Christ and repent.
Lack of atonement sends people to hell.
The subsequent sins they committed are only the level or degree of
punishment they will recieve.

God is just.
 
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