Holy Spirit is God?

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16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another (X)Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is (Y)the Spirit of truth, (Z)whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
18"I will not leave you as orphans; (AA)I will come to you.
19"(AB)After a little while (AC)the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; (AD)because I live, you will live also.
20"(AE)In that day you will know that (AF)I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
21"(AG)He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and (AH)he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will (AI)disclose Myself to him."
22(AJ)Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, what then has happened (AK)that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?"
23Jesus answered and said to him, "(AL)If anyone loves Me, he will (AM)keep My word; and (AN)My Father will love him, and We (AO)will come to him and make Our abode with him.
24"He who does not love Me (AP)does not keep My words; and (AQ)the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
25"These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
26"But the (AR)Helper, the Holy Spirit, (AS)whom the Father will send in My name, (AT)He will teach you all things, and (AU)bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
27"(AV)Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you (AW)Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.
28"(AX)You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and (AY)I will come to you ' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because (AZ)I go to the Father, for (BA)the Father is greater than I.
29"Now (BB)I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe.
30"I will not speak much more with you, for (BC)the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;
31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as (BD)the Father commanded Me Get up, (BE)let us go from here.

In mainstream Christianity, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is one of the three persons of the Holy Trinity which make up the single substance of God; that is, the Spirit is considered to act in concert with and share an essential nature with God the Father and God the Son (Jesus Christ). The Christian theology of the Holy Spirit, or pneumatology, was the last piece of Trinitarian theology to be fully explored and developed. For this reason, there is greater theological diversity among Christian understandings of the Spirit than there is among understandings of the Son (Christology) and of the Father. Within Trinitarian theology, the Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as the "Third Person" of the Triune God - with the Father being the First Person and the Son the Second Person. There are also distinct understandings of the Holy Spirit by non-Trinitarian groups and some non-Christian groups who use the term as well.


I. The Holy Spirit is God

Job 33:4 - "The Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty has given me life." Only God is the creator of life.

Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Only God can be blasphemed.

John 4:24 - God is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. Only God is worshiped.

John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7 - the Father and the Son send the Counselor, the Holy Spirit - Isaiah 9:6 - the Counselor is Mighty God.

Acts 5:3-4,9 - Peter tells Ananias that he lied to the Holy Spirit, and that he has not lied to men, but to God (the Holy Spirit).

Acts 28:25-27 - the Holy Spirit said "Go to this people and say..." - Isaiah 6:8-10 - the Lord said "Go to this people and say..."

Rom. 8:11 - the Spirit that raised Jesus up from the dead - Gal. 1:1 - God the Father raised Jesus from the dead.

1 Cor. 2:10 - the Spirit searches everything - Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the heart.

1 Cor. 3:16 - you are the temple of God - 1 Cor. 6:19 - you are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor. 12:4-6 - there are varieties of gifts but the same Spirit, varieties of service but the same Lord, varieties of working but same God.

2 Cor. 3:6,17 - we are ministers of the covenant in the Spirit which gives life. Now the Lord (God) is the Spirit.

Heb. 10:16 - the Holy Spirit said this is the covenant I will make - Jer. 31:33 - the Lord said this is the covenant I will make.

1 Peter 1:2 - we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the very God of peace sanctifies you wholly.


II. The Holy Spirit is a Person

Luke 12:12 - the Holy Spirit will teach you in that hour what you ought to say. He (the Holy Spirit) teaches the faithful.

John 14:17 - the world neither sees Him or knows Him ("Him" is referring to the Holy Spirit). You know Him for He dwells with you.

John 14:26 - the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, He will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all I have said to you.

John 15:26 - the Spirit, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness to me. He = the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a person, not a thing.

John 16:7 - if I do not go, the Counselor will not come to you. But if I go, I (Jesus) will send Him to you.
John 16: 8 - when He (the Holy Spirit) comes, He will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment.

John 16:13-14 - when the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you into all truth. He will speak, He will declare and He will glorify.

Acts 8:29; 10:19-20; 11:12;13:2; Rev. 22:17 - the Holy Spirit speaks to us like a human person.

Acts 15:25,28 - it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us. The Holy Spirit, as a divine person, thinks and makes judgments.

Rom. 8:26 - the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with sighs too deep for words. It is the Spirit Himself, not itself.

Rom. 8:16 - it is the Spirit Himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit is a person.

Rom. 15:30 - I appeal to you by the Lord Jesus and the love of the Spirit. Only persons, rational beings, can love.

1 Cor. 12:11 - the Holy Spirit apportions His gifts to each one individually as He wills. He is the third person of the Godhead.

2 Cor. 13:14 - the Holy Spirit can have fellowship with the faithful like a human person.

Eph. 4:30 - the Holy Spirit can be grieved, just as human persons can be grieved.

"By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth." Psalm 33:6
Word = logos, which is Jesus Christ (John 1:1-6)
Breath is the Holy Spirit

"When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” Luke 3:21-23

"Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant." Genesis 18:1-3 (The three visitors were the Trinity)

Acts 5:3-4

"But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.'" (emphasis mine)

Peter equates lying to the Holy Spirit with lying to God. Thus Peter tells Ananias that the Holy Spirit is God.

visionary said:

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just my way of scribing to the thread

what about this verse.... John's baptism was for Jews, but note here it says....

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. 4Paul said, “John’s baptism was....

wierd... never even heard of the idea!



Steve

with the baptism of repentance, telling the people (I)to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5When they heard this, they were (J)baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had (K)laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began (L)speaking with tongues and (M)prophesying.

Is your spirit a person different from you? Is God's Spirit a person different from God?


Is there more than one person of man in the text below? Is there more than one Person of God in the text below?

1 Corinthians 2:11:

11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

10[b](T)For to us God revealed them (U)through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the (V)depths of God.
11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the (W)spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12Now we (X)have received, not the spirit of (Y)the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13which things we also speak, (Z)not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
14But a (AA)natural man (AB)does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are (AC)foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
15But he who is (AD)spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
16For (AE)WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But (AF)we have the mind of Christ.

MrSnow said:

Acts 5:3-4

"But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.'" (emphasis mine)

Peter equates lying to the Holy Spirit with lying to God. Thus Peter tells Ananias that the Holy Spirit is God.

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No, Peter told Ananias the the holy spirit is Yhvh. i.e. Yhvh is holy, and Yhvh is spirit, as all of Scripture attests.
The Jews have always known this, but english speaking people rarely figure it out.(that they've been tricked into NOT calling on the One Name in which they can be saved - Yahshua(Jesus) - and instead , in place of truth, they call on a name that is not even ever a name in Scripture - nope, never)
(except in english, which is wrong; never in Hebrew, Grek or Aramaic)

itisdeliciouscake said:

I've always wondered. Where do we get from Scripture that the Holy Spirit is God? I'm not denying it in anyway, I just prefer to rely on Scripture rather than dogma as much as I can.

thx in advance.

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perhaps.

see the previous post,
and find, in person, Jews who trust and obey Yahshua. (they won't post on the internet, usually, because, basically, everyone lies; you can't tell who's who; there are a lot of traps (set for the future even); and it leads no one to truth or faith or repentance in Yashshua)

visionary said:

just my way of scribing to the thread

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Coulda just used the "thread tools" drop-down menu at the top-right of the thread, yes?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

perhaps.

see the previous post,
and find, in person, Jews who trust and obey Yahshua. (they won't post on the internet, usually, because, basically, everyone lies; you can't tell who's who; there are a lot of traps (set for the future even); and it leads no one to truth or faith or repentance in Yashshua)

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many of us don't lie

itisdeliciouscake said:

I've always wondered. Where do we get from Scripture that the Holy Spirit is God? I'm not denying it in anyway, I just prefer to rely on Scripture rather than dogma as much as I can.

thx in advance.

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Isaiah 6:5. "Woe to me!" I cried. "I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, Yahwah Almighty."

6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, "See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for."

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

9 He said, "Go and tell this people:
" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'

Acts 28
25They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet:
26" 'Go to this people and say,
"You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
27For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.


Paul calls Yahwah the Holy Spirit.

visionary said:

just my way of scribing to the thread

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Have you considered using the subscribing option in the tread tools?

That's how the spies do it!

The Holy Spirit is not a person but a power emanating from a being. Since we are speaking of a spirit emanating from God hence we call it "Holy".

There are also sayings such as "in the spirit of..." or one "feels inspired" by a person (being) to do this or that. Here too we have proof that 'spirit' as such serves as an influencing factor. There can be no spirit without a being from whom it is emanating.

Kutte

*Maureen stands amazed that the thread has gone on this long without some kind of Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox bashing.*

Could it be we found a topic we agree on??