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Recently I found this quote on a website that was critical of the Word of Faith movement. They have identified it as proof of heresy. But what heresy they are speaking of I can't understand. What in the world is wrong with this?


"Often you create your own negative situations yourself with wrong thinking, wrong believing, and wrong speaking. So start believing according to God's Word. Then begin making positive confessions of faith and victory over your life. ... You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak. ... If you don't like what you have in life, then begin to change the way you are thinking, believing, and speaking. Instead of speaking according to natural circumstances out of your head, learn to speak God's Word from your spirit. Begin to confess God's promises of life and health and victory into your situation. Then you can begin to enjoy God's abundant life as you have what you say!"


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Hi Tommy

Just because someone 'cries heresy' does not mean it is heresy! Sadly there is an abundance of people who want to criticize Kenneth Hagin, but most of them have not gotten nearly as many people Born Again and into God's Kingdom as he did in his lifetime!

Some great martyrs of church history were executed and branded as heretics, but today we recognise that they were on the path of truth and the ones killing them were the ones who were off!

I am in the proces of writing and article called 'truth or heresy' - which looks at what people in church these days define as heresy - and what heresy really is!

it seems like anytime someone cries out 'false doctrine' 'heresy' or 'error' - is something like that, everyone automatically assumes they are right and know what they are talking about!

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the ones claiming everyone else is in heresy might be the ones who are off themselves?

I won't go into the details of what you are asking right now about what this site said K Hagin said (persoanlly I would never just take a quote like that from a site, I want to know where they got it from so I can go look it up myself - make sure there are no misquotes!)

As we discuss the subject of faith more elsewhere, we can look at what K Hagin really taught and examine it in light of the Word of God - and what Jesus said - to see if it is scriptural.

K Hagin himself encouraged people to not take what he said, just because he said it, but to look to the Word to see if it was so. If it is in line with the Word, then it is not heresy, it is truth - regardless of whether people understand it or not - or whether it fits their ideas and doctrine!

God Bless
Owen
 
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ShaunJ and PastorOwen;
Thank you for your responses. I should have ask my question more clearly. What I should have written was that I am aware of most of the "classical" heresies and I cannot find one in the passage stated. The website identified it with Manicheanism. I didn't see that in the post in question.

I really like the quote by the way!

Thanks again for your responses.

Tommy
 
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"Often you create your own negative situations yourself with wrong thinking, wrong believing, and wrong speaking. So start believing according to God's Word. Then begin making positive confessions of faith and victory over your life. ... You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak. ... If you don't like what you have in life, then begin to change the way you are thinking, believing, and speaking. Instead of speaking according to natural circumstances out of your head, learn to speak God's Word from your spirit. Begin to confess God's promises of life and health and victory into your situation. Then you can begin to enjoy God's abundant life as you have what you say!"
Sounds Biblical to me. Sounds like Jesus!

It's the truth. I have carefully observed this as I live my life. Nothing could be truer. The thing is which side do we live on? Are we saying what God says? Or are we agreeing with what the enemy whispers in our ears?
 
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Sounds Biblical to me. Sounds like Jesus!

It's the truth. I have carefully observed this as I live my life. Nothing could be truer. The thing is which side do we live on? Are we saying what God says? Or are we agreeing with what the enemy whispers in our ears?

Exactly! :wave:
 
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I have recently started to study some of Kenneth Hagins' articles and if you google his name it is amazing the amount of opposition people have to his ministry and revelations. Any of us being called in ministry should as well be prepared for the same. Be covered according to John 15:20. Manie
 
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Read yesterday someone criticizing b/c we have too much faith!!! What a compliment!

Scripture says we're suppose to speak what The Word says and think on it as well.

Sometimes WoF believers become doubtful after reading those who oppose WOF but often they aren't aware of the scriptures that it's based on or agree with the interpretation.
 
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Sad to say that believers' thinking has gotten so far removed from from the thinking found in the Word that when someone says something very biblical, it sounds like heresy to some. We live in a very overly rational world, and slavery to that world and its thinking has moved deeply into the church. All the principles noted by Rev. Hagin noted here are sitting right before us in the Word.
 
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It's a new-age blend of The Secret and the Bible.
wrong, the secret is law of attraction, mind science. new age is metaphysical, no personal God, no hell, no devil, no sin.

a Christian believer must believe from the heart/spirit, and confess with their words. (the Bible)
 
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Hi Tommy

Just because someone 'cries heresy' does not mean it is heresy! Sadly there is an abundance of people who want to criticize Kenneth Hagin, but most of them have not gotten nearly as many people Born Again and into God's Kingdom as he did in his lifetime!

Some great martyrs of church history were executed and branded as heretics, but today we recognise that they were on the path of truth and the ones killing them were the ones who were off!

I am in the proces of writing and article called 'truth or heresy' - which looks at what people in church these days define as heresy - and what heresy really is!

it seems like anytime someone cries out 'false doctrine' 'heresy' or 'error' - is something like that, everyone automatically assumes they are right and know what they are talking about!

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the ones claiming everyone else is in heresy might be the ones who are off themselves?

I won't go into the details of what you are asking right now about what this site said K Hagin said (persoanlly I would never just take a quote like that from a site, I want to know where they got it from so I can go look it up myself - make sure there are no misquotes!)

As we discuss the subject of faith more elsewhere, we can look at what K Hagin really taught and examine it in light of the Word of God - and what Jesus said - to see if it is scriptural.

K Hagin himself encouraged people to not take what he said, just because he said it, but to look to the Word to see if it was so. If it is in line with the Word, then it is not heresy, it is truth - regardless of whether people understand it or not - or whether it fits their ideas and doctrine!

God Bless
Owen
Amen, I thank God for Rev Kenneth Hagin's teachings, Honestly I believe they verry well, may be closest to new testament church, on this planet today.
One thing I have observed in Matthew 24th chapter, and everyone knows the 24th chapter is used by most current Bible prophecy teachers, to declare these are the end times. In the 14th verse Jesus said And "this gospel of the Kingdom" shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come. what gospel of the Kingdom was Jesus talking about? The same gospel of the Kingdom He preached and commisioned the 12 and 70 to do, the same gospel of the kingdom found in Mark 16:15-20 and the parrallel account found in Matthew 28:18-20 in Matthew 28:20 Jesus told the disciples to teach them, those that are baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe, all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always even unto the end of the world. the greek word for observe is "guard from loss" or "to keep".

In all honesty, and I do not say this to hurt anyones feelings, but most of those calling Kenneth Hagin teachings hersey, and this is from my own observations are people who have not received healings, I have probably spent over a year communicating with some of them and examining what they say, one of the you tubers is an atheist, he admits it, he used to be in the AG denomination, He reads word for word out of Christanity in crisis against wof, he has alot of videos out there. there is another one out there who had connections with cri, and is the lead force on a forum, it is really sad when I have examined his blogs and postings, I know what spirits it is, but I will not try to comment much more on it, all I can do is pray for him.
It saddens me that for the most part those against word faith are actually against us because we believe it is "God's Will to heal all", and to the length they will go to try and discredit us,
The Word of God is very clear it is the Will of God to heal all, Jesus did the Will of Father, He healed all. or atleast those that believed He could and would.
I have been in battles with illnesses, and other battles as well. God always tells the truth, His Word is the truth, when ever I missed a promise, I had to face the fact, I missed it,not change the Word of God to fit my situation, or blame a man that laid hands on me and prayed, I had to honestly examine myself and find out what I was doing wrong.
you are so right about the martyrs, they were considered heretics, today they are considered men of God. I want to take that 1 step further though. I am a geneoligist. William Tyndale is my 11th great grand uncle. Dr. Rowland Taylor in foxes book is my 11th great grand father, he was married to Williams sister, Margret. Now check this out! I believe around 1555, for about a year prior to their exucutions, by religious people. Christians, there were two diffrent groups imprisoned in the kings prison, frewillers and predestinators, both groups are in prison awaiting death for there faith at the hands of people of faith, and they could not get along in prison. :confused: "from tyndale to madison" by michael farris chapter 7 "debating freedom inside the kings bench prison"
So now you have 2 groups of Christians in prison, considered heretics awaiting death, and these groups probably considered the other heretics.
 
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2Cor. 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

Matt. 21:22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”

Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

John 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Psa. 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD will give grace and glory; No good thing will He withhold From those who walk uprightly.

Psa. 115:12 The LORD has been mindful of us; He will bless us; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron.

Mark 11:24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

1John 5:15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

Frankly, I don't see the ambiguity in the Word that our detractors from the Word Of Doubt see. There are many, many more scriptures that plainly tell us to stand in faith and believe God for what He has promised us. Confession is nothing more than an affirmation of what you believe. We are told not to be double-minded, and if we profess lack or illness while also claiming to believe our need is met, then we are not in faith.
I think that some believe that we believe there is some sort of voodoo involved where just saying and repeating something like a mantra forces the hand of God. But that just shows they haven't really heard anyone fully teach on this subject.
The notion that "yes, there are promises, but we don't know if He wants us to have them or not" is kinda ridiculous in light of scripture. However, it is possible to be of a wrong heart in asking, or to be in violation of other scripture on an issue for which we are seeking something. This is where many miss it, and then become bitter critics.
If anyone is really, truly interested in the truth about what we believe on this subject, then I recommend they read chapter ten in "Christ The Healer" by F.F. Bosworth. That chapter (actually gleaned from E.W. Kenyon's writings) is simply the best I've read on the subject of confession. The chapter is called "Our Confession" and it brings great clarity on this subject.

Shalom
 
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God is all knowing he does know our end from our begining.
why would that be hersey, worthy of eternal damnation, eternally seperated from God?
why would a person whose heart is right with God (God's examination, not ours), fall because God caused that person to prosper?
 
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Recently I found this quote on a website that was critical of the Word of Faith movement. They have identified it as proof of heresy. But what heresy they are speaking of I can't understand. What in the world is wrong with this?


"Often you create your own negative situations yourself with wrong thinking, wrong believing, and wrong speaking. So start believing according to God's Word. Then begin making positive confessions of faith and victory over your life. ... You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak. ... If you don't like what you have in life, then begin to change the way you are thinking, believing, and speaking. Instead of speaking according to natural circumstances out of your head, learn to speak God's Word from your spirit. Begin to confess God's promises of life and health and victory into your situation. Then you can begin to enjoy God's abundant life as you have what you say!"


Tommy


I believe those denominations who criticize that statement are the one's who doesn't believe in healing through faith, prosperity and spirit filled... I like what he says "You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak" it totally says "we will receive according to our faith (what we believed). :)
Some denominations just really love to criticize other pastors who doesn't fit in their own theologies... So sad eh?
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that is right tm

it is real sad how so many Pastors and ministers are putting so much time and energy into criticising! I wonder how much finances goes into books and websites aimed at attacking other ministries in comparison... what a waste, it go be so much better spent in reaching people!

sadly Christians love to criticise anything that does 'does not fit their mold'

We should be willing to break and change 'our mold' to line up with the BIBLE! but many would rather hold to theirs than change and go with the Word.

God Bless
 
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that is right tm

it is real sad how so many Pastors and ministers are putting so much time and energy into criticising! I wonder how much finances goes into books and websites aimed at attacking other ministries in comparison... what a waste, it go be so much better spent in reaching people!

sadly Christians love to criticise anything that does 'does not fit their mold'

We should be willing to break and change 'our mold' to line up with the BIBLE! but many would rather hold to theirs than change and go with the Word.

God Bless

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