Is the cure really a cure?

Lacmeh

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*Gasp*, How dare companies make profit! After all shareholders are do gooders and invest the money not to gain interest, but to help people.

It is pointless to discuss with you. You blatantly refuse to inform yourself.If you would, you would know, that the FDA has no say on which sutdy is made under which terms. It only supervises proper conduct and later judgges, if the series of studies are really proving, what the company thinks they prove. Only then will the FDA consider to allow the medication. After all, the medication has to have better efficacy or lesser side effects than an already regulated medication.
Do You know, what it takes to write up a study summary and submit it to the FDA? You need doctors and lawyers. Those people don´t work for free. Administration is such a broad term, almsot anything can fit in. It depends on where the administration costs of a study are booked. Seldom hte cost of flights and business meetings with doctors and participants are booked under R&D. More liklely they are booked under, guess what, Travel expenses, which are part of, guess what, administraion.
I have read the first link you provided. So please tell me, where is the data, that proves, that placebo works better in long term? Or is it just an assumption on your part? Please note, that one satudy does not prove anything. Efficacy has to be proven at least in 3 different stages in multiple studies. All those studies in the first link were at best stage 2 studies, more likely stage one studies.
BTW, all the bookkeeping, the job supervision, the quality control are most likely under the term administration. The second, that quality control, bookkeeping is not needed, the second the administration costs will drop...

They don´t pay doctors to prescribe the drug, they advertise to get doctors to prescribe their product and not the one of the competitor, when prescription is needed.

First you claim, that the government can not be trusted in regulating those companies, then you use a link to the same government agency, that can´t be trusted to prove your point? Does that make sense?
 
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Originally posted by Lacmeh
First you claim, that the government can not be trusted 

What are you trying to say, that the government and people who push drugs can be trusted? Maybe we should use that as a question for a survay and see if others agree with you.

Galatians 5:19-23 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The word witchcraft used here in the origional language is: pharmakeia, <IMG height=18 src="http://www.christianforums.com/Image3.gif" width=18> <I>far-mak-i'-ah</I>; from Greek 5332 (pharmakeus); <I>medication</I> ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) <I>magic</I> (literal or figurative) :- sorcery, witchcraft.Rev. 9:21&nbsp;Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

If your going to trust the United States Government IE. the FDA to determine just what is a witchcraft and sorceries and what it not, then you may just find yourself in trouble with God on the Day of Judgement. This government is NOT God's Government. It is man's government it will not last long.

Isaiah 9:6
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For unto us a Child is born,
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Unto us a Son is given;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And the Government will be upon His shoulder.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And His name will be called
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

When Jesus returns, He will establish a New Governement. Those who are a part of the New and Living way will be a part of that New Government. We will rule and reign with Him for 1000 years. Those who are faith over little will reign over little. Those who are faithful over much, will be given much to rule &amp; reign over in the New Government.

Rev. 20:6&nbsp; Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Rev. 5:9-10
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And they sang a new song, saying:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "You are worthy to take the scroll,
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And to open its seals;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For You were slain,
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And have redeemed us to God by Your blood

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [10] And have made us kings and priests to our God;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And we shall reign on the earth."


Like Abraham we are a people who are looking for a city who's maker and founder is God.&nbsp;

Hebrews 11:10&nbsp;for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

This is a referance to the New Jerusalem that cometh down from Heaven.

Rev. 21:2&nbsp;Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Zech. 14:16&nbsp;And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

All nations will be required to send a representive to the New Jerusalem once a year. If they do not send a representive, then God will not send them rain.

There are going to be people who go before God and the books will be open and they will be asked what their crime is. Of course the language will be different than this, but they will say witchcraft, sorcery.&nbsp; I was a drug pusher, money was my God, and I did not care who got hurt. They will know then that God is good, and that their sentance and punishment is righteous &amp; just and true. And their destination will be the Lake that burneth with fire.

Rev. 21:8&nbsp;But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is not to late for people to repent and get right with God, today is the day and now is the time for salvation. But we have to act fast if we are going to repent, because the night is coming quickly.

John 9:4&nbsp; I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.

There is a night that cometh. So repent now, while it is still day, while you still have the opportunity to repent.

Matthew 4:17b "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

It is time to repent and begin to do the works of God.





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ROFLMAO do you just want to make people mad or are you just ignorant and fear the answers if you would just look up the Feder Regulations.
I see a lot if inconsistencies and falsehoods in your posts.
FDA has the mandate to regulate and control R&D of medical things plus the manufactoring of them. Please enlighten the rest of us, how this relates to witchcraft and sorcery. Sorcery and witchcraft can´t be worked by everyone. Only a special few people out of all can do it by whatever means one thinks they do it. Everyone can try and develop a medication, it already has been done by people, who didn´t even study medicine or a related field. Those medications are even registered and buyable under prescription (proven efficacy).
Everyone with enogu money can produce a drug. You need no special skill, just enough moeny to build the facility. Every lab chemist, who has a somewhat decent education can produce small quantities of any drug. It is not a matter of "special communication" with someone, just a matter of money.
Since drugs are useless anyways, I hope you abstain of them in any circumstances. Any preventing medication is useless, therefore you don´t need malaria preventation, Hepatitis preventation, or any other tropical desease prevention when going there.
You still have failed to provide a link, wherein the placebo works actually better in long term than the medication. I have to assume, that you flat out lied, if You can´t provide a source.

You say, that the FSA can´t be trusted, then use numbers the FDA provided. That is like claiming, that a known lie is truth. Either stop using to demonizew the FDA or stop using their numbers in your arguments.
 
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Originally posted by Lacmeh
Please enlighten the rest of us, how this relates to witchcraft and sorcery.

I understand my post was a long one, and I am sure you just skimmed though it. So I will go over the part about witchcraft again. The Greek word: pharmakeia is the same word we use today for&nbsp;pharmacy. There are three scriptures in the Bible, that use this word. All three have to do with sorcery and witchcraft.

Rev. 21:8&nbsp;But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and <B>sorcerers</B>, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


you just want to make people mad


It is ok with me if I make people mad. Because I know that God is going to deliver this message to you. I am a christian and I can deliver it in a loving way. God could just as easy send someone who is not a christan to deliver this message to you in a way that may not be so friendly and kind. So you are far better off with me, that anyone else God may send to wake you up to reality.

You still have failed to provide a link, wherein the placebo works actually better in long term than the medication.


As I said, the exact same study that the drug company gave to the FDA will show that in the long run, people are better to take a placebo. They just submit results from 6 weeks, rather than to submit the results of the study after 12 weeks.

http://www.benzo.org.uk/xanax.htm
 
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I can see where you're coming from, but I can also see where theese athiests are coming from as well.&nbsp; I myself am a christian (for all of you who have been in my debates).... I know about witchcraft, and medicine is certainly not witchcraft.

First off, it's essential that for a medication to be issued as legal, it must either be passed or be waivered by the FDA for approval of usage in medical practice.

also, May i need to remind you that Luke, one of the diciples of Yashua, was a doctor as well?

I can see your point of view.&nbsp; God can heal us of ailments, but we also must have a thing called "common sense" to know when we are in need of medical assistance.

Witchcraft has to do with spells, incantations, summoning demons, sacrifices, etc...&nbsp; NOT MEDICAL TREATMENT.
 
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Originally posted by chickenman
I find your comparison of drugs to witchcraft absolutely hilarious john

almost as funny as the witch scene in monty python and the holy grail

monty python, the epitome of unholyness and unsanctification. If you guys only know that you testify against yourselves and establish what I am saying as true.

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Originally posted by unitedistand
People men have studied and understand them

Do you know they hand pick the people they use for those drug studies? I interviewed to take part in a drug study once. I was rejected. Chances were I would have droped out of their study and that would have effected the outcome.

They are not stupid, they can pretty much get the results they want, by the people they pick and choose for the study. OJ pretty much got to pick and choose the jury he wanted, and he was able to end up with the results he wanted because of that.

The only way you would ever come up with a valid drug study&nbsp;would be&nbsp;to have a triple blind study. As it is the administrater of the study that gets to pick who they are going to give a placebo to, they get to pick who they are going to give the drug to. They get to pick who is and who is not going to participate in the study. They know ahead of time, what results they are trying to get. They most likely know how to get those results, because their job is to produce a study that the people who pay for that study can use, to get their drug approved by the FDA.

Sooner or later, it all ends up in the court system. That is why you see so many people in health care who are going back to school in the evening to get a degree in law.

My brother is a MD in develmental peds. and his wife has a Masters degree as a nurse. She is also the vice president of a hospital. He is going back to school to get a master in business adminstration and she is attending law school in the evening.

My other brother is the director of the psychology department of the childrens hospital in this area. His wife is a nurse and she plans to go back to school to study law.

A friend of mine from church is a director of psychology and he&nbsp;plans to go back to school to study law.

It is going to become more and more common for people to have a duel degree in medicine and a second degree in either business administration or law.

There was a time when doctors when to medical school for two years and the second year was a repeat of the material from the first year, because that was all that was known at that time about medicine. That was a few hundred years ago. &nbsp;We have come a long ways from that.
 
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Originally posted by notto
Anyone know where I can get a good Thermocap or Electric Belt these days?

I could look down in the basement and see what we got there. I still have some of the gizmos my dad used in his practice of medicine from over 50 years ago. They would fit right into your collection on the web site you provided the link for.

His big thing was hypnotism though. They thought at&nbsp;one time, they could use that to cure just about anything. They use to say the reason they use drugs instead of hypnotism was that the drugs were a lot faster. It took to long to hypnotize people.

Ah, the good old power of suggestion. Good thing that we do not live in the old days anymore. &nbsp;
 
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So you make claims, withotu having any sort of proof beside your opinion, which should matter greatly beause you have studied soewmthing related or are jsut guessing?
You still fail to provide a link in relation to pfitzer´s study supporting your claim

The last link you provided has several quotes of FDA functionaries, which according to your earlier psot cannot be trusted. So why do you trust tem now, when they soemthing you agrgee with? Or can they only be trusted, if they say something, that you like? And everything, that you don´t like, their opinions are invalid? Nice sort of consistency.
 
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Originally posted by Lacmeh
You still fail to provide a link in relation to pfitzer´s study supporting your claim

I am still looking for the full 12 week pfitzer study. It is not like they make it as easy to get ahold of as the 6 week study.&nbsp;At 12 weeks the placebo group is doing better than the group that is getting the drug. This is going to be true of most all anti anxiety drugs or tranqualizers.

I have a friend here, who is President of the Ohio Physiology association. His opinion is that you can get a drug study to turn out just about any results you want, by how&nbsp;the administrator sets up the study. He has done enough research work, that he should know how easy people can munipulate the results.

http://www.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/PHYS/Faculty/folkesson.htm
 
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