Hating Christians, what's the root cause (2)

Jade Margery said:

They want you to be involved in the GOP due to your debating 'skills'?

No wonder McCain is losin' in the polls.

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The economy is nothing debateable. You give loans to people that cannot pay them back and you have what Barnie Franks has brough us. Luckily no one in the press desires to be honest. You get the Dems chasing companies out of America, the unions extorting the companies that reman, and you have the poor promised that they will not have to do anything for themselves, and the remaining workers of America will foot their bills, and you see why Obamessiah has some fans. And of course the youth in college don't want to have to think for themselves anyway.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president-nprOvM/

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NPR? there's a shocker.

Having rather recently escaped from the public school system myself, I'm not seeing this whole 'gay activism' thing at all. My high school was a pretty un-prejudiced place in a middle-sized town. The captain of the dance team was gay, as was one very popular guy who almost won the homecoming competition (we would have had two homecoming queens!), however, another fellow who was 'out' was pretty unpopular... because he was a jerk.

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Three gays?

And yet despite this, I cannot recall ever hearing ANYTHING to do with homosexuals in the classes besides government (there were people on both sides of that debate) or seeing any propaganda on the walls. No one was encouraging it. No "homosexuals have access to children in schools to teach them to embrace gay marriage". Based on my experiences and similar accounts from friends from other schools, I must conclude that your reasoning is based on paranoia and alarmist thinking.

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Both sides of the debate of what pray tell?

Mmm hmm.

Basically you showed why the GOP should tone down its anti-gay factions and just get back to caring about them in ways that will assure them that their rights are respected.

Jade Margery said:

I am sorry to say that your brand of conservatism is getting rarer, it seems. Personally, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I'm not sure I agree with the Democrat's economic and government policies, but they are at least better than the Republicans who say one thing to get votes and then ignore it. Clinton gave us the first surplus we've had in years, and Al Gore spent his time in office trying to reduce the size of the government by phasing out obsolete branches and programs (This can be done effectively without firing people by not replacing retirees and moving people to more important programs instead of hiring new ones). That sounds like small government to me. I don't know for certain if Obama will do that, but I would bet money that McCain sure won't.

As for the topic of this thread, 'Hating Christians'... I have never hated someone because they were Christian. I have, however, been royally annoyed by some of them.

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Clinton had a Republican Senate and House.

flicka said:

You want to know why homosexuality will be embraced by public schools?

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By force implemented by liberal-progressive democrat sponsered legislation and liberal judges.

Because there will be homosexuals in them. That's about the extent of it. They don't teach homosexuality, they don't teach heterosexuality...they just teach homosexuals and heterosexuals.

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I've never seen a colored flag or triangle representing people that engage in straight sex? There are already many laws to combat bullying and vioelnce. Many. But we see those little rainbow and pink ads for homosexuality in our schools anyway. The agenda.

B'alaam said:

But according to the far right, you are a liberal (keep reading)

So, according to them, you are probably a liberal (keep reading)


But nowadays, the neocons lie about being able to change the legality of abortion, and they are completely against homosexual relationships (not to mention actual marriage)

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Neocons couldn't care less about gay marriage or decent morality in many cases of personal behavior. They are more concerned with international power to create more business opportunities for american business interests.

Therefore, you are no longer a member (according to them) of the Far Right.

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They'll take her vote.

You are now (from their POV) a "liberal"
And "liberal" in modern neocon lingo means "People I dont agree with".

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No, "liberal" has become a word meaning sexual perversions are to be championed and lascivious licentiousness seen as inevitable so pass out lubes and condoms and hope for the best. Liberal also has come to mean marxist socialist, communicated through the ideology and activity of Humanism. Liberal has been replaced by the word progressive. Either can mean immoral as used by conservatives.

Neocons use whatever emotional issues they can to drive their international concerns for more business, i.e. capital.

This link has a decent explanation: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_neo-con_mean

Heck, honestly, most of these neocon Religious Right people we see in 2008 would probably see more similarity between you and I than between you and they.


It's the way things seem to be, that's all. "right and left" dont mean today what they did 100 years ago, or even 30 years ago, or even when Reagan was in office or when Carter was in office.

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Right and left are now about sexual promiscuity and social programs that look very much like Marxist desires.

Things change, and so do definitions of "liberal" (remember, the modern day definition of "liberal" from the Far Right Neocon pov is "people I don't agree with" or "people who don't agree with me")

You can apply the term "Activist" in the same way, btw

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Humanist is a more accurate way of looking at the right versus left drama being played out in society. Leftists, liberals, progressives, GLBT's, socialists, atheists, all dance to the Humanism drum beat.

As in "Activist liberal judges on the Supreme Court ruled in favor of legalized abortion" (yes Ive seen that said on these very forum a couple of years ago)

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They decided ona woman's right to privacy. They did not legalize murdering a child in utero. We have progressed since them in science and medical technology and we now know beyong the shadow of a doubt, literally, that the fetus is a human being with all of the inalienable rights granted a person. DNA, ultrasound, and science all stack up against abortion as birth control. It is far past time to put the word progressive, as in making progress, where the liberals' mouth is on abortion.

Progressive should mean to value the conservative position, as truth and facts are conservative values.

Jade Margery said:

Frankly, I'm insulted. I grow up to be a good little liberal and nobody gives me a pamphlet on championing sexual perversions or licentiousness or anything! It's not fair! I joined the club, where's my pin?

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When indoctrianted, somethings are just expected of you.

And Polycarp! Where is my friendly response? I fear you did not see my earlier post at the bottom of the last page, and I'm feeling quite neglected.

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Oh I can see you're gunna be a fun one.

It's Sunday. I'm off for the day. Got to teach and encourage. If some of the youth can get me to a PC later I'll be back to deal with your positions.


For now:

- - - - reddddyyyy BREAK!!!!

flicka said:

You are stuck on the sex act. That speaks volumns about your mindset. Instead focus on the love and comittment part. You will live.

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I have repeated written that you leftists are not going to persecute we Christians violently. I focus on the sex part because that is what: Gay, Lesbian and Bi-sexual proclaims. Is not saying "Hi, I'm Steve, I am in a great mood today," when Steve says "I am Gay."

Gay and Lesbian, does not mean the way someone throws darts. Maybe "where" they throw darts, but that only proves my point.

C'mon now. We're all adults here.

OllieFranz said:

There is a reason for that. No one was ever put into a Nazi concentration camp simply for being straight.

Concentration camp prisoners were classified by the color of the triangle:

• Repeat violent criminals wore green triangles
• Members of outlawed political parties wore red triangles (political prisoners)
• Foreign nationals also wore red triangles (political prisoners) but with an initial indicating their citizenship
• Religious dissidents (mostly Jehovah's Witnesses and converted Jews, but also anyone whose religious convictions made them "an enemy of the state") wore purple triangles
• "Antisocials" (What NYC calls "Quality of Life" offenders: homeless, mentally handicapped, druggies, prostitutes, etc. but also atheists, intellectuals, draft-resisters, and anyone a high-ranking officer or Gestapo member took a disliking to) wore black triangles
• Romanians and Hungarians of known or suspected Roma (Magyar or "Gypsie") descent wore brown triangles
• Immigrant workers wore blue triangles
• Ethnic Jews wore a reversed yellow triangle under the other triangle. In the case of ethnic Jews who were also religious dissidents, the top triangle was also yellow (instead of purple), making a yellow "Star of David""
• And "sexual deviants" (homosexuals) wore pink triangles

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Hmm, let me see, lemmesee, lemmesee lemmesee, hmm, what a surprise, the Christians agaisnt the National Socialists your forgot.

How telling.

Just as the Jewish people have taken the six-pointed star as a reminder of who they are as a people and what they had to endure, and how they survived, so have the gays as a people have also turned a symbol of Nazi oppression into a reminder of the triumph of the spirit.


There would be a badge that straights could take to identify with through a shared history of oppression and defiance if they had ever been unified by oppression simply for being straight. But because they have not been oppressed, and are not unified, there is no such badge.

Though I would suggest that for straight Christians (or other religionists) who want to support their gay friends, a purple triangle would not be too presumptuous or a black triangle for atheists, agnostics and skeptics, since it is what they would be wearing if the Nazis came back into power.

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I see propaganda is not lost on your side though.

MarcusHill said:

How is it "violent persecution" to have to repeatedly point out that you're flat out wrong?

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Nice spin. That is not what I wrote:

Originally Posted by Polycarp_fan I have repeated written that you leftists are not going to persecute we Christians violently. I focus on the sex part because that is what: Gay, Lesbian and Bi-sexual proclaims. Is not saying "Hi, I'm Steve, I am in a great mood today," when Steve says "I am Gay."

Gay and Lesbian, does not mean the way someone throws darts. Maybe "where" they throw darts, but that only proves my point.

C'mon now. We're all adults here.

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Harrassment, denigration and discrimination are less violent forms of persecution that the Bible-believing Christian faces everyday at work, in public, at school and on messages boards.

It's irksome to have to do so, but there are still plenty of people ignorant enough to believe your repeated lies about what it means to be homosexual.

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I point out that neologism is employed by the liberal-progessive-humanist to alter reality. I stick to that message. The Biblical view would call this false teachings designed to lead the flock astray. I have never desired to ask you lefties to change. Not once. I just present the the Apostolic/Gospel in an unaltered position. I would say that I am the embodument of tolerance and diversity. "you guys" can do what you wilteth, but when it comes to going after Christians that believe in the Bible, I go out "you guys" with the same tools you use. I rather enjoy your hysteria when you come up against someone you cannot cow.

If you can give a convincing argument as to how a virgin who intends to remain celibate for life can't be homosexual or heterosexual (which must be the case if it's "all about the sex act"), then it might actually be possible to engage in some reasoned debate.

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You build the starwman as you guys typically do and then I have to pitch to him. How have we arrived at the place where only the pro-homosexual groups get to decide all morality issues? Using this logic, anyone that thinks about doing something wrong, actually is the wrongdoer in his mind but that he didn't commit the acts. It's rather stupid really. Gay and Lesbian are actions. And Bi-sexuality leaves no doubt at all.

Until you do so, however, we'll just have to keep pointing out your error.

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Using your strawman as the refreree of a game that you invented.

How fascinating to observe. And, it is you guys, that claim to be the free thinkers.

I just can jettison logic and reason that easy. I stick with cause and effect as the guide.