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What in my signature, suggests to you that I would ever consider it my place to try to influence anyone else's sexuality???Huh? Not even the apostles condemn homosexual ORIENTATION, so I'm at a loss to understand your point.Homosexuality, as an orientation, is an inherent facet of an individual. It is not a sin to BE a homosexual, not even the Catholic Church teaches that. Now, whether or not homosexual ACTS are sinful is a whole different kettle of fish, but there is nothing wrong with being a homosexual, the point in discussion here.Children are sexual beings. No, I'm not saying chiuldren should HAVE sex, of course not. But it is a FACTR that children think about sex and engage in fantasy and simulated sexually specific role play, as well as having sexually specific dreams and so on. Now, you minght find it distasteful to dwell on this, but thems the facts. I'm sure if you honestly think back to your own childhood, you will remember incidents and feelings that, in hindsight, were inherently sexual. And as children are intrinsically sexual beings, it is only reasonable to consider them as having the foundations of an adult sexual orientation. Not because an agenda wants to deal with children in this way, but because objective reality states that such orientation exists from an early age. So why deny it?Indeed. Seduction IS a reality... but, since the end result of a succesful seduction is a person CHOOSING to be allowed to be seduced. A heterosexual would never choose to be allowed to be seduced by a heterosexual. Anyone who succumbs to homosexual seduction was a homosexual ANYWAY. It is not the seduction that makes the person homosexual. The person was already homosexual (or possibly biosexual) long before the seducer ever arrived on the scene. Now, of course there are instances of people being FORCED to have sex with someone inappropriate to their orientation, but that is RAPE, and I am most certainly against that, be it hetero or homosexual.What opinion would that be? Nowhere do the Apostles or the Gospels say it is desireable or acceptible to attempt to change anyone's sexual orientation.I say again... if someone willingly engages in homosexual activity, then that person was already homo or bisexual. Again, it appears your problem appears to be with the permissiveness of society, not homosexuality per se.Says you. A great many competent theologians and Biblk scholars disagree.I would oppose any group trying to FORCE any church to change their doctrine or teaching against the considered desires and beliefs of the individual members. That does not mean that it is wrong to engage people and try to change their point of view through reasoned discussion.What the...?

How is the teaching of "A2+B2=C2" effected by the sexuality of the teacher? In my educational career, I have had, approximately, 70 odd teachers and lecturers, plus a few other instructors in vocational training. Odds are that at least a couple of them were homosexual. And you know what? I could not for the life of me tell you which one, because I have been fortunate in that all of my educators have been extremely competent and professional. They teach the material. They don';t let their personal lives effect their teachings of the material in the sylabus. I would hope this is the majority experience.Give me ANY example of anyone trying to teach sexual behaviour in a contrary fashion, and I will denounce it as wrong.I see bluster, I don't see examples. Cite me a case, a SPECIFIC case, of homosexuals "ruling" anyone's sexual orientation?False comparison. Eating hotdogs through your eyesockets would have 0 functionality. Same sex relationships are demonstrably functional, and further, appear to have an evolutionary basis. Thats a whole other thread there, but seriously, there is more than one function for the various tracts involved, and just as the mouth can be used for digestion AND sexual activity, the same is true of anal sex. Not to mention thaty I, as a female homosexual, 100% guarantee that I don't do anything with my partner that heterosexual couples don't do.Baloney. Hetero AND homosexuality us largely in place by the age of 8. Nothing to do with activism of any kind, merely observation of empirical evidence. "How about we cut to the chase and fast-forward to my time in Hollywood? The anything goes crowd wanted me to do anything goes. Boys, girls and whatever that is over there smiling and staring at me."

You accuse me of dissembling and "freaking out" when asked questions, yet I notice you are reluctant to give a straight answer. I ask again, when was the first time you had feelings of a sexual nature? I don't want details, just an age. Huh?

Did I touch a nerve here? I'm trying to do no such thing. I'm TRYING to have an open and straightforward exchange of ideas with you. Yet it seems whenever I say something that starts your cognitive disonance gears grinding against each other, you resort to strange, tangential ad homs.I don't doubt it. But it won't change a heterosexual into a homosexual.

Yes you touched a nerve. Your treatment of children didn't cause me cognitive dissonance, it reminded me of how ancient greek society held its views of youth. And in your case Sappho's lasciviousness comes to mind. And that is discomforting in its scope.

I'm out for the night.
 
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Yes you touched a nerve. Your treatment of children didn't cause me cognitive dissonance, it reminded me of how ancient greek society held its views of youth. And in your case Sappho's lasciviousness comes to mind. And that is discomforting in its scope.

I'm out for the night.
How is suggesting that we let kids be who they are troubling to you?

And what, specifically, about Sapho do you find "discomforting"?
 
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When you get drunk you speak as you really believe. In the sarcastic response that what'shisname posted, he presented a united front of lefties to deny dissent of leftist social reengineering.

But he wasn't drunk...

Duh.
 
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In vino veritas.

Sarcasm on that vine sqeezed and imbibed.

Are you claiming I was drunk when I posted? I generally come in here a couple of times a day when I'm taking a break at work. I'd be unlikely to be able to do any research or teaching in an inebriated state, let alone drive the 35 miles of my commute back home. I tend to have exactly one alcoholic drink per year during the working day, and that's because my graduating students always seem to insist on buying me a beer after their final lecture.

On the other hand, you could be trying to go off on a wild tangent and claim that somehow sarcasm is a form of drunkenness. It would be no more insane than claiming there is actually some sort of conspiracy keeping "anti-gay" research out of the academic press.

I'll refrain from posting a link to the piece of research done with the collaboration of field researchers from the "gay scene" which pointed out aspects of the "gay lifestyle" which were conducive to the spread of HIV, since you seem to have ignored it the last two times I did so.
 
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Humans are reasoning creatures. I don't eat hotdogs through my eyesockets for the same reason that people should not encourage same-gender sex acts to be engaged in.
Why do you eat hotdogs through your eye sockets?
 
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Are you claiming I was drunk when I posted?

I generally come in here a couple of times a day when I'm taking a break at work. I'd be unlikely to be able to do any research or teaching in an inebriated state, let alone drive the 35 miles of my commute back home. I tend to have exactly one alcoholic drink per year during the working day, and that's because my graduating students always seem to insist on buying me a beer after their final lecture.

That response is the reason I have the opinion of freethinking as I do. Why do people seek knee-jerk responses instead of wit? And how cliche, if indeed you are really an educator.

On the other hand, you could be trying to go off on a wild tangent and claim that somehow sarcasm is a form of drunkenness.

Me? Noooooo. I'm really thinking of the vitriol that defines your club membership guidelines.

It would be no more insane than claiming there is actually some sort of conspiracy keeping "anti-gay" research out of the academic press.

So a psychologist with a PhD working at NARTH can come in and lecture your class?

I'll refrain from posting a link to the piece of research done with the collaboration of field researchers from the "gay scene" which pointed out aspects of the "gay lifestyle" which were conducive to the spread of HIV, since you seem to have ignored it the last two times I did so.

Truth is hard to suppress for the length of time the left has been at it. But darn if they aren't close to manufacturing presidents by implementing the suppression of truth method.
 
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That response is the reason I have the opinion of freethinking as I do. Why do people seek knee-jerk responses instead of wit? And how cliche, if indeed you are really an educator.

I was actually addressing what you wrote. I gave two options, either you were serious or you were trying to draw a witty analogy. If what you wrote were actually successful in being witty, I wouldn't have explored the first option.

I post here under my real name, and have linked to a publication I wrote whilst doing my doctorate. Although I won't broadcast further identifying details (I don't want to attract spam and/or armies of idiots pestering me at work), I'll gladly show you who I am by PM if you'll undertake not to spread it around. Now please lay off the insinuations that I'm lying about my background.

Me? Noooooo. I'm really thinking of the vitriol that defines your club membership guidelines.

There's guidelines? There's a club? Why did nobody tell me?

So a psychologist with a PhD working at NARTH can come in and lecture your class?

Probably not, but the NARTH connection is irrelevant. I can't see my boss going for bringing over a psychologist from the other side of the Atlantic, especially since I'm unlikely to be able to come up with a topic where his/her expertise in the context of mathematics education would be sufficiently better than mine or one of my colleagues from this institution to warrant the additional cost.

However, given a hypothetical situation where these pragmatic concerns weren't an obstacle, I'd bring in whoever had the best available expertise in the area of the lecture. If that area wasn't the psychology of homosexuality (which, for my classes, it wouldn't be), I would expect the lecturer to stay on topic - and I have no reason to think that working for NARTH means someone will constantly turn any topic to homosexuality like some funamentalist poster on an internet forum.

Truth is hard to suppress for the length of time the left has been at it. But darn if they aren't close to manufacturing presidents by implementing the suppression of truth method.

I see, so all research that contradicts your claim of a leftist stranglehold on academia is merely indication of the few exceptions and slips by the Super Secret Cabal. How many bits of research that support your views would convince you that there is no such conspiracy?

Also, do you think the gay researchers who actually wrote the piece I referenced have been thrown out of the "club", or did they just misread the Agenda?
 
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What in my signature, suggests to you that I would ever consider it my place to try to influence anyone else's sexuality???Huh?

The contrived nature of your prose. Your use of oxymoron is dazzling.

Not even the apostles condemn homosexual ORIENTATION, so I'm at a loss to understand your point.

No way are you going to paint the Apostolic testimony the color of neologism and gay activism.

It's not tough to see how Satan has brought society to the point where the erotic can now be a qualifier of persons. King Bera and Abraham (Abram) come to mind.

Homosexuality, as an orientation, is an inherent facet of an individual. It is not a sin to BE a homosexual, not even the Catholic Church teaches that. Now, whether or not homosexual ACTS are sinful is a whole different kettle of fish, but there is nothing wrong with being a homosexual, the point in discussion here.

Jesus made it clear that thoughts are as powerful as actions. I'm reminded of that everytime I have my eyes open. Your gay lenses are oh-so typical. Gays versus Christians. It's as ubiquitous as most of the threads in E & M.

Children are sexual beings.

Sapphic eroticism would say that. This validates my assertion that GLBT activism is erotic based exclusivley.

Christians see children as children. Sexual beings can wait until the proper time and place. Should wait and be allowed to wait. Doing research and going to GLBT websites and we see a different perspective of youth, and exactly as you see them. And, this is of course why I see you in the place I do. You have literally proved my point. Christians see children as Jesus does.

No, I'm not saying children should HAVE sex, of course not. But it is a FACTR that children think about sex and engage in fantasy and simulated sexually specific role play, as well as having sexually specific dreams and so on.

That's just plain goosebump creating. The anti-Gay Christians reading along can feel comforted knowiung that their efforts against the Gay Agenda are a noble endeavor. I knew you could not hide your inner being for long.

Now, you minght find it distasteful to dwell on this, but thems the facts.

Trust me. My consistency about gay culture, gay sex and gay activism is not surpised by your view. That is why the "Q" couldn't be denied as a part of the Gay Agenda's quest for long. The history of homosexuality shows us erotica as you describe it. And it has been opposed every single day as well.

I'm sure if you honestly think back to your own childhood, you will remember incidents and feelings that, in hindsight, were inherently sexual. And as children are intrinsically sexual beings, it is only reasonable to consider them as having the foundations of an adult sexual orientation.

The Gay Agenda described as good as anything I present.

Not because an agenda wants to deal with children in this way, but because objective reality states that such orientation exists from an early age.

Even you couldn't escape what's up.

So why deny it?Indeed. Seduction IS a reality... but, since the end result of a succesful seduction is a person CHOOSING to be allowed to be seduced. A heterosexual would never choose to be allowed to be seduced by a heterosexual. Anyone who succumbs to homosexual seduction was a homosexual ANYWAY. It is not the seduction that makes the person homosexual. The person was already homosexual (or possibly biosexual) long before the seducer ever arrived on the scene. Now, of course there are instances of people being FORCED to have sex with someone inappropriate to their orientation, but that is RAPE, and I am most certainly against that, be it hetero or homosexual.What opinion would that be?

Wow. I never thought you would expose the true nature of the mind of gay culture so openly. This is the truw nature of the gay agenda in stark and descriptive reality. I usually do not get this directness often from a homosexual. It's usually hidden behind rather sophisticated neologism and PC jargon.

Hopefully some pro-family activist is printing out our debate and showing it around to co-workers.

Nowhere do the Apostles or the Gospels say it is desireable or acceptible to attempt to change anyone's sexual orientation.

1 Corinthians 6:

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

You and I live in two different worlds.

How many people wake up and realize what MISTAKE the engaged in last night. Sometimes that happens sooner. Your ideology is alarming and threatening.

I say again... if someone willingly engages in homosexual activity, then that person was already homo or bisexual.

Or seduced by someone that likes homosexual sex. That's just a fact that bears up under testing.

Again, it appears your problem appears to be with the permissiveness of society, not homosexuality per se.

Hand in glove.

Says you. A great many competent theologians and Biblk scholars disagree.

Not one from the Bible. You're offering a liberalism more akin to the satanic than to the Apostolic. There is not one place anywhere in the Bible that encourages gay sex and gay culture and many, many, many that oppose it. The neologism "gay" does not alter Biblical truth. You start a thread of gay supporting scripture and I'll dismantle your liberalism and show what its made of.

I would oppose any group trying to FORCE any church to change their doctrine or teaching against the considered desires and beliefs of the individual members. That does not mean that it is wrong to engage people and try to change their point of view through reasoned discussion.

It is unreasonable to teach and present that gay sex and gay culture is acceptable anywhere in the Bible. And as we can see from the activism and gay theology peddled by Mel White and Soulforce, FORCING gay culture on and in every Church is a malevolent "force" driving its gay agenda. It's simply not hidden by them anymore. When you oppose the Apostolic teachings, you oppose Christians and Christianity.

How is the teaching of "A2+B2=C2" effected by the sexuality of the teacher?

That is no longer deniable. Gay teachers spread the gay agenda and its incessant social reengineering goals. Too many organizations are documenting that fact.

In my educational career, I have had, approximately, 70 odd teachers and lecturers, plus a few other instructors in vocational training. Odds are that at least a couple of them were homosexual. And you know what? I could not for the life of me tell you which one, because I have been fortunate in that all of my educators have been extremely competent and professional. They teach the material. They don';t let their personal lives effect their teachings of the material in the sylabus.

Give me a break! Again you are relying on me being some country bumpkin that hasn't researched the issues. Just how have we arrived at this altering of society to celebrate gay culture and gay sex? BY the education process driven by teachers and professors that have delivered the gay agenda through humanism and atheist-secularism. Sheesh. This gay thing didn;t happen overnight. Why do you think Christians use the phrase Gay Agenda.

I would hope this is the majority experience.Give me ANY example of anyone trying to teach sexual behaviour in a contrary fashion, and I will denounce it as wrong. I see bluster, I don't see examples. Cite me a case, a SPECIFIC case, of homosexuals "ruling" anyone's sexual orientation?

The education system has driven the reengineering of society morality to now be championing gay sex and those that promote it. It's brought to us by Humanism. This isn't a tough research assignment.

False comparison. Eating hotdogs through your eyesockets would have 0 functionality. Same sex relationships are demonstrably functional, and further, appear to have an evolutionary basis.

Your statement, your in the face ignoring of reality, is proof yet again, of where the Gay Agenda got its fuel. Female to female sexual intercourse is an impossibility. Just as is male to male sexual intercourse. That is just an observabel fact of science. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] do not alter the immutable functionality of sexual intercourse. Pseudo sex is the bast you can accomplish. A form of as it were.

Of course love is not the issue, but logic and reality is. You cannot ever prove that the tongue was naturally designed to be connected to sexual organs (or other places on someone elses body). Physiology shows us the reality of logic and proves that bigotry and hate is not part of the anti-gay perspective.

I should have used the nostrils and hot dog analogy. You could get some of the hot dog down the throat in that technique. Eh-hem.

Thats a whole other thread there, but seriously, there is more than o function for the various tracts involved, and just as the mouth can be used for digestion AND sexual activity, the same is true of anal sex.

The ubiquity of turning of every thread gay. It's positively malevolence on the march.

Not to mention thaty I, as a female homosexual, 100% guarantee that I don't do anything with my partner that heterosexual couples don't do.

That statement defies logic and reason and natural facts. You haven't the parts for it. You must seek other, um, er, things, to mimick reality.

Baloney. Hetero AND homosexuality us largely in place by the age of 8.

Sappho would be proud of you. But not one apostle. And I urge you to take Jesus and his warning about children very seriously. You are a Christian you assert, Jesus is very dire about being the one bringing offfenses.

Nothing to do with activism of any kind, merely observation of empirical evidence.
[How about we cut to the chase and fats-forward to my time in Hollywood? The anything goes crowd wanted me to do anything goes. Boys, girls and whatever that is over there smiling and staring at me.
You accuse me of dissembling and "freaking out" when asked questions, yet I notice you are reluctant to give a straight answer. I ask again, when was the first time you had feelings of a sexual nature? I don't want details, just an age. Huh?

I can't. I would have to use the "P" word and that got me in serious trouble last time I used it. GLBT's do not tolerate what they really peddle being defined in accurate ways. Suffice it to say, that ancient greek society is a very important part of gay culture of today. You have proven that fact beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm trying not to put my head in the noose you have woven. I am not worthy of martyrdom, even in cyber space.

Did I touch a nerve here? I'm trying to do no such thing. I'm TRYING to have an open and straightforward exchange of ideas with you.

Child erotica is striking many nerves of many Christians and other parents worldwide. THIS is THE issue between GLBT's and Christians and others. The "Q" was the final straw. The nature of gay erotica cannot be hidden. Not even in the cunning world of neologism-driven political and social reengineering efforts.

Yet it seems whenever I say something that starts your cognitive disonance gears grinding against each other, you resort to strange, tangential ad homs.

Save me your bragging. You have validated every word I have written about the gay agenda and gay culture. To really expose your adversary is quite an accomplishment. My mind is soaring with the glowing feelings of achievment.

I don't doubt it. But it won't change a heterosexual into a homosexual.

The Gospel and the Apostles say differently. What has light to do with darkness? Take a different path.
 
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The contrived nature of your prose. Your use of oxymoron is dazzling.
Oxymoron can turn a person gay?

Jesus made it clear that thoughts are as powerful as actions. I'm reminded of that everytime I have my eyes open. Your gay lenses are oh-so typical. Gays versus Christians. It's as ubiquitous as most of the threads in E & M.
Most other fundamentalist Christians say it's okay to be gay, one must just not act on it. I thought this was an extreme position .... but you're saying it's not even okay to be gay.

Wow. I never thought you would expose the true nature of the mind of gay culture so openly. This is the truw nature of the gay agenda in stark and descriptive reality. I usually do not get this directness often from a homosexual. It's usually hidden behind rather sophisticated neologism and PC jargon.

Hopefully some pro-family activist is printing out our debate and showing it around to co-workers.

I cannot see how EPII's post advocates anything that's in any way immoral, as you seem to imply. Could you please explain what you find wrong with what she said, rather than just gloating over it?


Or seduced by someone that likes homosexual sex. That's just a fact that bears up under testing.
Please quote some evidence.

That is no longer deniable. Gay teachers spread the gay agenda and its incessant social reengineering goals. Too many organizations are documenting that fact.
Are you saying that all gay teachers do this?

Your statement, your in the face ignoring of reality, is proof yet again, of where the Gay Agenda got its fuel. Female to female sexual intercourse is an impossibility. Just as is male to male sexual intercourse. That is just an observabel fact of science. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] do not alter the immutable functionality of sexual intercourse. Pseudo sex is the bast you can accomplish. A form of as it were.
Do you never have sex for pleasure? Do all heterosexuals have sex for procreation only?

Of course love is not the issue,
Why not? Who are you to say what other people feel?

I should have used the nostrils and hot dog analogy. You could get some of the hot dog down the throat in that technique. Eh-hem.
I wouldn't try that if I were you. You'll probably choke.


The ubiquity of turning of every thread gay. It's positively malevolence on the march.
I don't see any evidence of malevolence in EPII's writing. She is one of the most charitable debaters on this forum.

That statement defies logic and reason and natural facts.
To say that you do nothing that heterosexuals don't do is not the same as saying that you do everything that heterosexuals do do. You are the one being illogical.

You haven't the parts for it. You must seek other, um, er, things, to mimick reality.
In what way is what lesbians do in bed not reality?

I can't. I would have to use the "P" word and that got me in serious trouble last time I used it. GLBT's do not tolerate what they really peddle being defined in accurate ways. Suffice it to say, that ancient greek society is a very important part of gay culture of today.
Are you claiming that all homosexuals are pederasts? If so, supply proof.

You have proven that fact beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm trying not to put my head in the noose you have woven. I am not worthy of martyrdom, even in cyber space.
EPII has pointed out that prepubescent children are sexual beings. This is not the same as saying that she (or anyone) regards them as sexual objects. Try to understand, rather than projecting your prejudices onto what others are saying.

Save me your bragging. You have validated every word I have written about the gay agenda and gay culture. To really expose your adversary is quite an accomplishment. My mind is soaring with the glowing feelings of achievment.
You haven't achieved anything. You have simply projected your own interpretation into what EPII said.
 
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The ubiquity of turning of every thread gay. It's positively malevolence on the march.

Wow, you said something true. I'll mark the date in my diary.

You're entirely correct that the way in which conservative fundamentalists on this subforum tend to turn every thread into one about homosexuality (and/or abortion) is a sign of their malevolence.
 
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Worthless son of a.... DAMN IT!

I just spent a whole hour responding to PC-Fs post and my response disapeared off into the ether. *language filter*

I'll re address it tommorrow... but the biggest, most important point that I would like to make, PC-F, if you read this...

saying that children are sexual beings is NOT the same as saying you want to have sex with them.

Children think about sex, dream about it, wonder about it, discuss it, and explore their own bodies. Thats a fact. Acknowledging this fact does not, in any way, and let me be utterly clear here, mean that I for a single instant think it is actually acceptible to have sex with a child, or think that children should be having sex.

OK? so, maybe if you could go back to my last, and re read it without the a priori assumption firmly in your head that I want to diddle children, you might see what I'm saying a little more clearly.

Oh, and I still don't think that a heterosexual can be seduced by a homosexual. But your repeated claims that it is the fault of the homosexual doing the seducing, and the "hetero"sexual who allows himself to be seduced is somehow a blameless victim, is telling. It takes two to tango. Personal responsibility... we conservatives are big on that.
 
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Oxymoron can turn a person gay?

Yes. I've seen it done. I lived in Hollywood and lived the liefstyle. I am no country bumpkin and one thing I've come to realize is, that you guys are finally noticing that.

Most other fundamentalist Christians say it's okay to be gay, one must just not act on it. I thought this was an extreme position .... but you're saying it's not even okay to be gay.

Your neologism has no value in Apostolic reality. I hope you can realize that GLBT's are never ever going to homosexualize the Church. reality works in the opposite direction there. Read the New Testament. It's a quick read and quite easy to understand. I have given many non and anti Christians several versions of the NT and asked them to find ANY support or promoting words for same-gender sexual acts anywhere in any of them. Not one has.

I cannot see how EPII's post advocates anything that's in any way immoral, as you seem to imply.

Of course you can't.

Could you please explain what you find wrong with what she said, rather than just gloating over it?

Children are children. They should be seen as children. Anything is malevolent. Let them have their youth and enjoy it. We Christians are not going away anytime soon so you better get used to that position. We stay, we pray, we're not going away. But you better get away from our children or face the lawsuits. Gay activism does not include our children.

Please quote some evidence.

I have quoted you guys in every post I respond to. I'm enjoying this era in which we live. Evil is now a civil right and righteousness is now a hate crime. Just as predicted. We Christians call that prophecy.

Are you saying that all gay teachers do this?

No, the pink triangles and rainbows in our schools are.

Do you never have sex for pleasure? Do all heterosexuals have sex for procreation only?

Dude. I don't need cialis or viagra for a reason. (Of course I'm not that old, but you get me gist.) That's as far as I go with this.

Why not? Who are you to say what other people feel?

What? I just react to what they say. You may think I'm an idiot or worse, but I have proven I can read and understand words written in english. And some in latin.

I wouldn't try that if I were you. You'll probably choke.

Man, what a comeback I have. But, being banned is not what I seek.

I don't see any evidence of malevolence in EPII's writing. She is one of the most charitable debaters on this forum.

Presentation does not substance make.

To say that you do nothing that heterosexuals don't do is not the same as saying that you do everything that heterosexuals do do. You are the one being illogical.

Not according to your reactions. I'm understood whether being direct or using a rather less obvious tact.

In what way is what lesbians do in bed not reality?

How do I answer that without putting my head in the report button noose?

Are you claiming that all homosexuals are pederasts? If so, supply proof.

A martyr does not end his on existence by his own actions. Grrek history is history. Sappho is a good example too.

EPII has pointed out that prepubescent children are sexual beings. This is not the same as saying that she (or anyone) regards them as sexual objects. Try to understand, rather than projecting your prejudices onto what others are saying.

How fascinating that you know what the bottom line is. So do I. This contention between Christians and Gay activism hasn't even begun to heat up. We will win our lawsuits even in a liberal court. You guys may win same-gender marriage (again), but society will eventually reject the goals of the gay agenda (again). History will repeat itself. I have no doubt that. How can I? I am not blind nor dead.

You haven't achieved anything. You have simply projected your own interpretation into what EPII said.

I just applied to what was written, the definitions of what was written.

Christians see children as children. No more and no less. Read what Jesus has to say about them and see why Christians have the mindset about children that they do. Born again is a matter of fact. With a new life comes a new perception of life and to life.

The word "orientation" takes on a completely different meaning in Christian life. Read all about the concept in the New Testament. Or don't. It makes no difference to me either way you choose.
 
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Multiple partners... well, I've had 4 sexual partners in my life, and I hope that my current partner is the last one. My best friend (and landlord, Hi LH :) ), a heterosexual male, only 9 years older than me, literally claims to have had over 200 sexual partners. I've seen the guy work his magic out on the town, and I believe him.
201 after last weekend ;). Or maybe 202... big night out.

But despite the fact that you are a barely house broken bulldyke with an insane intel PONTI for a girlfriend, the pair of whom I am greatly hesitant to leave alone in my house without newspaper on the floor and plastic coating the furniture, it is true that in the greater scheme of things, you have a much better handle on this whole monogamy thing than I do.

So, you going to the Sandy Place or what? Let me know huh?
 
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Anyone else feel that Polycarps latest post is an extreme form of non-sequitur? I mean, non of his answers to Andreusz seem to have anything to do with what Andreusz actually said.

I've just been through most of his recent posts, and that seems to be a fairly common trend. It looks like he responds to what he wants to be there, rather than what is there.

confusing as hell to me.

And the dude is totally "lady doth protesting too much". after his big spew at EPII, I think we can all be fairly sure of his venomous stance towards homosexuals is because he has willingly had homosexual sex at least once and has buyers remorse, and now seeks to blame any homosexual anywhere for what happened, rather than acknowledge that he is a self repressing latent homosexual. Check out the many signs.

"homosexuals trick innocent heterosexuals into having sex with them"
"homosexual sex isn't REAL sex, so it doesn't count"
"homosexuals are bent on converting poor unsuspeting innocents"

Like EPII says... personaly responsibility man. Its a conservative thing.
 
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Worthless son of a.... DAMN IT!

I just spent a whole hour responding to PC-Fs post and my response disapeared off into the ether. *language filter*

I'll re address it tommorrow... but the biggest, most important point that I would like to make, PC-F, if you read this...

Saying that children are sexual beings is NOT the same as saying you want to have sex with them.

Copy and paste and write your responses in Word, save it and then transfer it over.

Children think about sex, dream about it, wonder about it, discuss it, and explore their own bodies.

You read too many sex-obsessed novels. Which is ubiquitous in GLBT culture. Actually it is almost as close as it gets to what defines it. Transgendered individuals maybe not. (I don't know why I have such compassion and understanding for this group.)

But the other three literally define themselves by their preferred sex acts. You just can't escape lexicon.

I'm a true veteran of the sex, drugs and rock and roll life, and my childhood was filled with childhood things. Not until I hit puberty and beyond did I feel funny about sexual feelings. In fact I was a "questioning youth." Guess who claims rights to that?

Thats a fact. Acknowledging this fact does not, in any way, and let me be utterly clear here, mean that I for a single instant think it is actually acceptible to have sex with a child, or think that children should be having sex.

Sounds like the party line. Prop 8 proponents wrote the Prop for a reason. And it has little to do with two adults strapping on their own bag of fun tricks for bedroom play. It has everything to do with children being allowed to be children and not dwelling on their burgeoning sexuality. This is the reasonn I finally got involved with this Christians versus GLBT hurricane coming at the Church.

OK? so, maybe if you could go back to my last, and re read it without the a priori assumption firmly in your head that I want to diddle children, you might see what I'm saying a little more clearly.

No comment.

Oh, and I still don't think that a heterosexual can be seduced by a homosexual.

I have many friends that say otherwise. many, many of them. drugs also can make people do all sorts of things they wouldn't normally do. And I was offered drugs by lots of people out to bone me. I was just lucky more than a few times that's all.

It's called "the art of seduction" for a reason. Greek history is replete with the concept put into societal practice. Roman life was more of the master-slave situation. Both seem to be rising to prominence yet again in western life. Known by certain political labels these days.

But your repeated claims that it is the fault of the homosexual doing the seducing, and the "hetero"sexual who allows himself to be seduced is somehow a blameless victim, is telling.

Yes it is. And I have never hidden my position on that. That is why the usual suspects in the crowd gathers to scream at me. And this is just the WWW. We Christians get the real deal out in public and the school system.

It takes two to tango. Personal responsibility... we conservatives are big on that.

Bull. If that's your logic, then every gang member wants to be one. And every crime every committed is by a willing participant. And since I have worked with gang members for two-decades, I know for a fact that many were seduced and/or coerced into the life and lifestyle. My opinion of your assertion is to disagree with it.

Could you start another thread for all of this Gays versus Christians subject to be discussed?

Please?
 
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Oh, and I still don't think that a heterosexual can be seduced by a homosexual. But your repeated claims that it is the fault of the homosexual doing the seducing, and the "hetero"sexual who allows himself to be seduced is somehow a blameless victim, is telling. It takes two to tango. Personal responsibility... we conservatives are big on that.

I agree. If a person wants to have sex with another person of the same sex, then they are at least bisexual, if not gay. Why on earth would an exclusively heterosexual person have sex with a person of the same sex? That just doesn't add up.
 
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