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Originally posted by bigonbible
Jason, what is the difference in praying to someone like mary and asking her to intercede for us? either way , isn't it praying?

It depends on how you use that term :)

the word 'pray' in English literally means 'to beg'.  But if you're referring to 'pray' as in a sort of worship, that's a bit different.

God bless!

-Jason
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
It does help Jason, but Jesus said to pray for to the Father in my name , correct? seems clear how we are to pray. Where does the Bible instruct us to literally pray to Mary?
Your confusion seems to be coming from the word 'pray'. All 'pray' means is 'ask'. It does not necessarily denote worship. We ask the Saints to interceed for us with God. I've already shown you the Scriptures that support this.
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Jason, I believe Paul was asking the brothers to pray to the father in Jesus name fo him

Yes, that's right.

That's what I'm referring to.  Basically, here's how it works.  I go to you and say, "Hey can you pray for me?"  So then you would go to God and say, "Lord I ask whatever whatever whatever".  That's exactly what goes on in heaven.

I think you're confused with how those in heaven can actually hear us.  This I don't know.  The bible doesn't leave much open about how those in heaven can hear us.  I just trust that they do.  Just because something isn't in the bible doesn't make it true.  And if you're saying that it's a silly tradition, I can assure this tradition is the same tradition that put our bible together :)

Scary thought isn't it? =)

-Jason
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Jason, I believe praying is a form of worship


Yes! :) Many people do, and that is where all the confusion comes in. Praying *can* be a form of worship, but it is can also be just communing or speaking to someone else. And this does not apply to 'necromancy' because the Promise of Christ. The dead in Christ are not dead! :clap:
They are living, eternally, with Him in Heaven.
 
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Here's how I understand all this:  Technically you can have a massive prayer meeting with the brethren in heaven, since we're among them (Heb 12:1, Heb 12:22-23).

here's another thought:

We can 'pray to Jesus' (like Stephen, in Acts 7:59), and ask Jesus to ask our brothers in heaven to join in on the massive prayer meeting, since Jesus did say, "Ask anything in my name and I will do it" (John 14:14).

So then Jesus and our heavenly brethren can join in our prayers (this is what communion of the saints is about).

God bless!

-Jason
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Sandy , I can't get back to the post with the scriptures . Give me scripture again please
Just go to the top or bottom of this page and click where it says "Pages...1,2,3". Only you just want to click on the '1'. ;) Then scroll down to my post. You can't miss it.
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Sandy , I can't get back to the post with the scriptures . Give me scripture again please

Acts 7:59 - While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (NIV)

The Greek word 'pray' used in this is Lego, which means 'to say'.  While there's another word for 'pray' (gk. Proseuchomai), which refers to worshipful prayer.

Maybe it's better to say Catholics talk to the saints, not 'pray to the saints' :)

God bless!

-Jason
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Jason Goood post #28 But how does heb 12: 1 back this up

Jim,

All of Hebrews 11 explains people of extraordinary faith, check it out!  It's really encouraing =)

Anyway, immediately after all the mention of such incredible people, Heb 12:1 begings by saying:

Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses... (Heb 12:1)

Catholics understand this meaning that we are LITERALLY surrounded by all those wonderful people mentioned in Hebrews 11.  And Hebrews 12:22-24 seems to be in support of this.  But I can see how Hebrews 12:1 can be interpreted differently.

Nevertheless, Hebrews 12:22-24 is very clear =)

God bless!

-Jason
 
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Originally posted by bigonbible
Jason, I want to teach Sunday school on these two subjects, Is there a summation I can use?

Jim,

I don't know if that's exactly the best idea....are you a protestant?  I don't know if it's best to teach Catholic doctrine for Sunday School...but if you wish :)

In anycase, one thing I find fascinating about Hebrews 12:1 and Hebrews 12:22-24 in light of Eph 3:15, is that we are NOT alone! :)

Also, what do you mean by 'summation'?  Like some website that further explains all this?

God bless!

-Jason
 
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Also, the fact that we are not alone is significant for those who may feel they're left out. This is also helpful for those on the missionfield who may feel like they're doing everything on their own, while it's highly likely that those in heaven are praying that the lord's will is being done on earth (Matt 6:10). How can we be sure? Rev 5:8 heavily implies it :)

God bless!

-Jason
 
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