Jonah through Zephaniah, the Assyrian Part II.

rdclmn7 said:

This is where we start to look at prophecies that describe contemporary and future events.

Isaiah;

ch 7 describes events in 735 BCE.

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But the prophecy in chapter 7 includes the following detail:

18And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. 19And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

While this is figurative language, it clearly implies simultaneous invasions of Judea from Assyria and Egypt. This did not happen in 735 B.C., or at any other time.

I do not know why you omitted chapter 10. This chapter contains numerous details that have never been fulfilled. The most notable of these is the description of the path the Assyrian would follow in approaching Jerusalem.

There are few details of ancient history as well documented as the path Sennacherib followed when he attacked Hezekiah. In this matter we do not have to rely upon copies of ancient documents. We have the actual documents themselves, not copies thereof, for they were inscribed in monuments that have survived to the present day. And we do not have to rely upon one or two accounts. We have seven written accounts of this campaign, as well as other monuments as well. And the path that Sennacherib followed was entirely different from the one that Isaiah described in Isaiah 10.

Archeologists have found a great body of evidence of the Assyrian incursion in southern Judea. But none in the area described by Isaiah.

And the writer of the Isaiah scroll in the Dead Sea Scrolls had no knowledge of Sennecherib following the route described in Isaiah 10, for he applied it to the future.

ch 14 decribes events in 701 BCE.

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But Isaiah 14:26 applies the stated purpose to "the whole earth." This did not happen in 701 B. C.

At the end of this chapter we find a very instructive detail:

29Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. 30And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

The words "out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent." clearly indicate a second attacker that will be a descendant of the first one.

ch 20 refers to events in 711 BCE.
ch 27 mirrors Jeremiah
ch 30 is strictly end-time.

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We find him also in chapter 31.

ch 36 refers to 701 BCE.
ch 39 refers to 701 BCE.
ch 52 projects into the future.


Jeremiah;
refers to Assyria in chs 2 and 50

Ezekiel;
refers to Assyria in ch 23.

Hosea;
refers to Assyria in chapters 7-11.
ch 11 mirrors Is 2.

Micah;

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You omitted Micah 5, where we read,

5And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. 6And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

This has unquestionably never happened. When Sennacherib came againsr Hezekiah there was no strength at all to resist him, much less "seven shepherds, and eight principle men." And no Israeli force has ever invaded Assyria.

ch 7 is strictly end-time.

Zephaniah;
refers to events before the reforms instituted by Josiah(621) ans also refers to events that mirror Is2, Joel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Zechariah, collectively known as the day of the Lord.

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Isaiah 7:18-19 doesn't require that Judah be attacked
by Assyria and Egypt at the same time, for the "rivers
of Egypt" could simply refer to wadis near the border
between Philistia and Egypt (cf. Numbers 34:5, Joshua
15:4,47). Isaiah 7:18-19 could refer to when Judah was
invaded by both the Philistines and Assyria in the
time of Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:18-21).

All of the details of Isaiah 10:5-34 could have been
fulfilled during Sennacherib's invasion of Judah
(Isaiah chapters 36-37), including the path of Isaiah
10:28-32. There's no historical proof that Sennacherib
couldn't have led an expeditionary force down that
ridge while the bulk of his forces continued down the
coast. The towns on the ridge could have been
considered too insignificant to be mentioned on any
monument, and Sennacherib's forces could have moved
quicky enough down the ridge not to leave any
archaeological evidence of their passing. A writer of
a dead sea scroll, living possibly hundreds of years
after Sennacherib's invasion, wouldn't have to have
had any knowledge of Sennacherib's journey down the
ridge which had taken place, for the fearful flight
of the Jews from the towns on the ridge (Isaiah
10:29b,31) could have been seen by the generation of
the Jews who fled as a shameful episode which was best
forgotten, instead of being passed down to subsequent
generations.

In Isaiah 14:26, the Hebrew word translated as "earth"
is the same Hebrew word translated as "land" in Isaiah
14:25, so they could be referring to the same thing:
the whole land of Judah. "All the nations" in Isaiah
14:26 could mean all the nations which were subjugated
by the ancient Assyrian empire.

Isaiah 14:29-30 could refer to the time of Ahaz
(Isaiah 14:28), when the Philistines could have been
subjugated by Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria
(2 Chronicles 28:18-21) before being subsequently
subjugated by another king of Assyria, such as
Sennacherib, during his invasion of Judah (Isaiah
36:1-2).

Isaiah 31:8-9 could refer to God's defeat of
Sennacherib (Isaiah 37:36-37).

Micah 5:5a could refer to Jesus defeating the
Antichrist when the Antichrist makes a final attack
on Jerusalem right before the second coming (Zechariah
14:2-4). Micah 5:5b-6 could then refer to Zechariah
14:14, 12:6-8.

While Isaiah 20:1 refers to 711 B.C., when the king
of Assyria was Sargon II, Isaiah 20:4-6 could refer
to 671 B.C., when the king of Assyria was Esarhaddon.

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Isaiah 27 doesn't refer to an Assyrian.

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The Assyrian in Isaiah 30:31 could be the Antichrist,
who could be descended from the ancient Assyrians.

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Isaiah 39 doesn't refer to an Assyrian.

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Isaiah 52:4 could refer to the past oppressions of
the Israelites by kings of Assyria, such as Tiglath-
Pileser III in 734-732 B.C. (1 Chronicles 5:26,
2 Kings 15:29), and Shalmaneser V and Sargon II in
724-722 B.C. (2 Kings 17:3-6).

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Jeremiah 2:18 could refer to the Israelites in the
time of Jeremiah seeking political alliances with
Assyria or Egypt instead of trusting in God to
protect them from both.

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Jeremiah 50:17 could refer to the same as Isaiah 52:4
(above).

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Ezekiel 23:5-10 refers to how the northern kingdom of
Israel admired and sought alliance with the Assyrians
and their empire before it destroyed the northern
kingdom of Israel.

Ezekiel 23:11-13 refers to how, even after the
destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel,
Jerusalem admired and sought alliance with the
Assyrians and their empire.

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Hosea chapters 7-11 prophesied the destruction of
the northern kingdom of Israel, which happened in
722 B.C.

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Isaiah 2:2-4 refers to the coming millennium.

Isaiah 2:10-21 refers to the second coming.

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Micah 7:6 has happened ever since Jesus came the
first time (Luke 12:52-53, Matthew 10:35-36), just
as it will happen during the coming tribulation
(Luke 21:16).

Micah 7:11-12 could refer to Jerusalem during the
coming millennium (Micah 4:1-2).

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Zephaniah 2:13 prophesied the destruction of
Ninevah, which happened in 612 B.C.

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The day of the Lord in Joel 1:1-2:25 was an invasion
of locusts and other plant-destroying insects (Joel
1:4, 2:25) which came upon Israel sometime before the
outpouring of the Spirit which occurred in the first
century at Pentecost (Joel 2:28, Acts 2:16-17).

Joel 2:31 refers to an event which will occur during
the coming tribulation (Revelation 6:12), before the
future day of the Lord which will begin at the second
coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8).

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Zechariah 14:1 refers to the future day of the Lord
which will begin at the second coming (Zechariah
14:3-4), and right before which Jerusalem will be
attacked by the Antichrist (Zechariah 14:2, Daniel
11:45).

Bible2 said:

Isaiah 7:18-19 doesn't require that Judah be attacked
by Assyria and Egypt at the same time, for the "rivers
of Egypt" could simply refer to wadis near the border
between Philistia and Egypt (cf. Numbers 34:5, Joshua
15:4,47). Isaiah 7:18-19 could refer to when Judah was
invaded by both the Philistines and Assyria in the
time of Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:18-21).

All of the details of Isaiah 10:5-34 could have been
fulfilled during Sennacherib's invasion of Judah
(Isaiah chapters 36-37), including the path of Isaiah
10:28-32. There's no historical proof that Sennacherib
couldn't have led an expeditionary force down that
ridge while the bulk of his forces continued down the
coast. The towns on the ridge could have been
considered too insignificant to be mentioned on any
monument, and Sennacherib's forces could have moved
quicky enough down the ridge not to leave any
archaeological evidence of their passing. A writer of
a dead sea scroll, living possibly hundreds of years
after Sennacherib's invasion, wouldn't have to have
had any knowledge of Sennacherib's journey down the
ridge which had taken place, for the fearful flight
of the Jews from the towns on the ridge (Isaiah
10:29b,31) could have been seen by the generation of
the Jews who fled as a shameful episode which was best
forgotten, instead of being passed down to subsequent
generations.

In Isaiah 14:26, the Hebrew word translated as "earth"
is the same Hebrew word translated as "land" in Isaiah
14:25, so they could be referring to the same thing:
the whole land of Judah. "All the nations" in Isaiah
14:26 could mean all the nations which were subjugated
by the ancient Assyrian empire.

Isaiah 14:29-30 could refer to the time of Ahaz
(Isaiah 14:28), when the Philistines could have been
subjugated by Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria
(2 Chronicles 28:18-21) before being subsequently
subjugated by another king of Assyria, such as
Sennacherib, during his invasion of Judah (Isaiah
36:1-2).

Isaiah 31:8-9 could refer to God's defeat of
Sennacherib (Isaiah 37:36-37).

Micah 5:5a could refer to Jesus defeating the
Antichrist when the Antichrist makes a final attack
on Jerusalem right before the second coming (Zechariah
14:2-4). Micah 5:5b-6 could then refer to Zechariah
14:14, 12:6-8.

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You have a very vivid imagination. But that is all this is.

I am far from home and using a borrowed computer, so I am not goint to bother to answer any of this except your continued faalsehood that there is no historcal evidence that Sennecherib could not have also led an expeditionary force down that ridge while the bulk of his forces continued down the coast.

Your excuse for this imaginary foray is that they could have moved guickly enough down the ridge not to have left any archeological evidence of their passing. This is not only pure imagination, it is simply icorrect. it would be impossible to have a battle requiring breacking of a city wall without leaving such evidence, and the scriptures in question describe one stop to tend to equipment and wo overnight camp-outs. These also would have left such evidence.

Your problem is not only a fertile imagination, which is totally improper in scriptural commentary. Ypour problem is also bad logic and an explicit refusal to submit to plainly stated scripture, which clearly states that Sennecherib's forces came to Jerusalem from the opposite direction.

If Isaiah 10:28-32 isn't fulfilled in the future, we
should not be at all surprised, as it very easily
could have been fulfilled by Sennacherib during his
invasion of Judah in Isaiah chapters 36-37.

It doesn't take any imagination at all to see this,
for just as Sennacherib fulfilled Isaiah 10:5-6 in
Isaiah 36:1, and just as Sennacherib fulfilled Isaiah
10:9-11 in Isaiah 36:19-20, and just as Isaiah 10:20
was fulfilled in Isaiah 37:31-32, and just as Isaiah
10:16-19,26-27,33-34 was fulfilled in Isaiah 37:36-37,
so Isaiah 10:28-32 could have been fulfilled at the
same time.

But it would take some imagination to think that
everything in Isaiah 10:5-34 but Isaiah 10:28-32 was
fulfilled during Sennacherib's invasion of Judah in
Isaiah chapters 36-37, that Sennacherib couldn't have
possibly fulfilled Isaiah 10:28-32.

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It isn't a falsehood, but a fact, that there's no
historical evidence that Sennacherib couldn't have
led an expeditionary force down the ridge of Isaiah
10:28-32 while the bulk of his forces continued down
the coast.

And it isn't incorrect, but a fact, that the
expeditionary force could have moved guickly enough
down the ridge not to have left any archaeological
evidence of their passing, for Isaiah 10:28-32 makes
no mention of any battles whatsoever, much less one
requiring the breaking down of the wall of any city.
(Only a fertile imagination would read these things
into Isaiah 10:28-32.) Instead, Isaiah 10:28-32 shows
that the towns on the ridge were evacuated before
Sennacherib's arrival. And the overnight campout at
Geba (Isaiah 10:29) wouldn't have had to have left
any archaeological evidence whatsoever. Only a
fertile imagination would think that it would have
had to.

And it's neither bad logic nor an explicit refusal to
submit to plainly stated scripture to say that
Sennacherib could have sent some forces from Lachish
to Jerusalem (Isaiah 36:2) after going down the ridge
of Isaiah 10:28-32 and returning to his main army
which had travelled down the coast. Only bad logic
would declare this to be impossible.