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Your claim that the bible got where it is at the top of the pile by marketing is noted. That is, of course ridiculous. It works, so any marketing would be useless if it did not work, and prove itself to be accurate in so many many different ways, like prophesy.
Jesus quoted it, and lived by it. He rose from the dead, and was seen of us by it. Mary had a baby, never knowing a man, by it. If coke was a bottle full of vinegar, all the marketing in the world would not make it a sustained, world wide drink. If the bible was the sort od ill conceived bad religion that so called science is, it could never be where it is today!!

Your logic also explains why science is so popular too. Thanks for that :wave:
 
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Let's get it start:

The Bible says: vegetation is created before the sun. (Gen 1: 11-18)

Sorry thats wrong. You see my freind. The Sun is really Surya.


1 HIS bright rays bear him up aloft, the God who knoweth all that lives,
Sūrya, that all may look on him.
2 The constellations pass away, like thieves, together with their beams,
Before the all-beholding Sun.
3 His herald rays are seen afar refulgent o’er the world of men,
Like flames of fire that burn and blaze.
4 Swift and all beautiful art thou, O Sūrya, maker of the light,
Illuming all the radiant realm.
5 Thou goest to the hosts of Gods, thou comest hither to mankind,
Hither all light to be beheld.
6 With that same eye of thine wherewith thou lookest brilliant Varuṇa,
Upon the busy race of men,
7 Traversing sky and wide mid-air, thou metest with thy beams our days,
Sun, seeing all things that have birth.
8 Seven Bay Steeds harnessed to thy car bear thee, O thou farseeing One,
God, Sūrya, with the radiant hair.
9 Sūrya hath yoked the pure bright Seven, the daughters of the car; with these,
His own dear team, he goeth forth.
10 Looking upon the loftier light above the darkness we have come
To Sūrya, God among the Gods, the light that is most excellent.
11 Rising this day, O rich in friends, ascending to the loftier heaven,
Sūrya remove my heart's disease, take from me this my yellow hue.
12 To parrots and to starlings let us give away my yellowness,
Or this my yellowness let us transfer to Haritāla trees.
13 With all his conquering vigour this Āditya hath gone up on high,
Giving my foe into mine hand: let me not be my foeman's prey.
Veda
 
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Let's get it start:

The Bible says: vegetation is created before the sun. (Gen 1: 11-18)

Sorry thats wrong. You see my freind. The Sun is really Surya.


1 HIS bright rays bear him up aloft, the God who knoweth all that lives,
Sūrya, that all may look on him.
2 The constellations pass away, like thieves, together with their beams,
Before the all-beholding Sun.
3 His herald rays are seen afar refulgent o’er the world of men,
Like flames of fire that burn and blaze.
4 Swift and all beautiful art thou, O Sūrya, maker of the light,
Illuming all the radiant realm.
5 Thou goest to the hosts of Gods, thou comest hither to mankind,
Hither all light to be beheld.
6 With that same eye of thine wherewith thou lookest brilliant Varuṇa,
Upon the busy race of men,
7 Traversing sky and wide mid-air, thou metest with thy beams our days,
Sun, seeing all things that have birth.
8 Seven Bay Steeds harnessed to thy car bear thee, O thou farseeing One,
God, Sūrya, with the radiant hair.
9 Sūrya hath yoked the pure bright Seven, the daughters of the car; with these,
His own dear team, he goeth forth.
10 Looking upon the loftier light above the darkness we have come
To Sūrya, God among the Gods, the light that is most excellent.
11 Rising this day, O rich in friends, ascending to the loftier heaven,
Sūrya remove my heart's disease, take from me this my yellow hue.
12 To parrots and to starlings let us give away my yellowness,
Or this my yellowness let us transfer to Haritāla trees.
13 With all his conquering vigour this Āditya hath gone up on high,
Giving my foe into mine hand: let me not be my foeman's prey.
Veda

God, our God, the Alpha and the Omega warns to have no other gods before Him. You are insisting on 2 things that He hates:

mocking Him
deliberately putting another god before Him.

you do realize where you're treading with this, do you not?
 
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When you're done debunking Juvenissun's excellent point, you can quote something to debunk this ---


Why would debunk that? Josph Smith agrees.

“...I will go and do what the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.”

Book of Mormons.
 
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET
When you're done debunking Juvenissun's excellent point, you can quote something to debunk this ---

Why would debunk that? Josph Smith agrees.

“...I will go and do what the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.”

Book of Mormons.

what chapter and verse is that?

in reading this, the "prepare a way for them" that they may "accomplish the thing which he commandeth them"

is of course the passage you posted is speaking of Jesus the Christ the only begotten Son of the living God being the "way" to God, the "remedy", the One Who fulfilled the law because man could not...and in Him fulfilling the law in man's stead....man is once again reunited with God, the Father.....the law requires death for trespassing the law...Jesus took upon Himself the sentence of trspasser and was put to death, in our stead. He was killed for our sakes.

Does Mormonism believe this?
 
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God, our God, the Alpha and the Omega warns to have no other gods before Him. You are insisting on 2 things that He hates:

mocking Him
deliberately putting another god before Him.

you do realize where you're treading with this, do you not?


Frist of all read the topic.

Seconed I am only doing God, Our Gods will. That we are all arpart of God.


"Brahman is knowledge,The Self (or the Soul) is Brahman, I am Brahman Thou are that, All this that we see in the world is Brahman Brahman is existence, consciousness, and bliss"mahā-vākyas
 
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Abasing the proud looks, and puffed up silliness of little man is not screwing around with men. The sin of the devil was just that, pride. When man knows his proper place in creation, he will be anything but proud, and lifted up. Pride cometh before a fall.



Job 40:12 -Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.


Yes but according to Islam its better to....

"Do not say, that if the people do good to us, we will do good to them; and if the people oppress us, we will oppress them; but determine that if people do you good, you will do good to them; and if they oppress you, you will not oppress them” Muhammad
 
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you forgot post #25. Respond please.


"And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall cbelieve in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with apower and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, not with standing my weakness.
And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.”
Books of Mormons
 
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Originally Posted by brinny
you forgot post #25. Respond please.

"And now, my beloved brethren, and also aJew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and bbelieve in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall cbelieve• in Christ ye will believe in these dwords, for they are the ewords• of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they fteach• all men that they should do good.
And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with apower• and great bglory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.
And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his akingdom at that great and last day.”
Books of Mormons

is there a reason you didn't include the actual quote from post #25? It is your thread...i assume you are attempting to provide clarity to it?
 
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Let's get it start:

The Bible says: vegetation is created before the sun. (Gen 1: 11-18)

Sorry thats wrong. You see my freind. The Sun is really Surya.


1 HIS bright rays bear him up aloft, the God who knoweth all that lives,
Sūrya, that all may look on him.


Thanks for quoting so much to reply. But, you seems forgot the very first thing: where do all these scripts come from? What is the religion? I will not consider any word of it until I know that.
 
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Let's get it start:

The Bible says: vegetation is created before the sun. (Gen 1: 11-18)

Sorry thats wrong. You see my freind. The Sun is really Surya.

10 Looking upon the loftier light above the darkness we have come
To Sūrya, God among the Gods, the light that is most excellent.

Veda

Sorry, I see it now. The Veda. I did not recognize what it was at the first glance.

So this one says the sun is "a" god above many other gods. (I don't think the sun is THE god for Hinduism)

But I don't see the logic of the quote. And I don't see why would you say that what the Bible says is wrong. The quote does not say anything about timing. I believe the sun in the Veda is NOT the first thing comes into exist. It does not say anything about plant either.

Your reply to my post is like:

Bible says: plants existed before the sun
You refuted: the sun is a mighty god.

I don't see the argument at all.

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OK, the test is over. I am not going to continue. I think you are taking an impossible challenge in the OP. It would be more beneficial to you to focus only on ONE religion. Any religion is deep enough for you to put all your effort into it. It would at least take 10 years of your full attention to get the knowledge. So, before you invest, think again. However, there is indeed an easy way out: remaining to be an atheist.
 
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Your claim that the bible got where it is at the top of the pile by marketing is noted. That is, of course ridiculous. It works, so any marketing would be useless if it did not work, and prove itself to be accurate in so many many different ways, like prophesy.

So, no amount of marketing can help a bad product?

And can you name a Bible prophecy that was fulfilled somewhere outside the Bible?

Jesus quoted it, and lived by it. He rose from the dead, and was seen of us by it.

A character in a book quotes the book. Huckleberry Finn is real! :thumbsup:

Mary had a baby, never knowing a man, by it.

Mary got impregnated by a book? Split or no split, that's not only medically impossible, but pretty disgusting.

If coke was a bottle full of vinegar, all the marketing in the world would not make it a sustained, world wide drink.

It would be if nobody tasted it until after they died.

If the bible was the sort od ill conceived bad religion that so called science is, it could never be where it is today!!

And where is it today? Heavily infested with kooks, wackos, and sociopaths, who use it to further their own atrocious ends, drowning out the few voices of reason in their lunacy.

There was a time, dad, when Christianity produced some of the best thinkers and doers the world had ever known -- now it's obsessed with silencing them.
 
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So, no amount of marketing can help a bad product?

And can you name a Bible prophecy that was fulfilled somewhere outside the Bible?
Can you name me something that is outside the bible??


A character in a book quotes the book. Huckleberry Finn is real! :thumbsup:
Was he virgin born, in a place and way foretold centuries earlier, and died the same way, and rose from the dead, and was seen by many? Was his arrival year spoken of by Daniel, and does he have huckfinn psalms, detailing stuff about him? There are Messianic psalms, you know. Did all the sacrifices from Cain till Jesus point to Huck coming? Will Huck take over the earth, and did he creates it? No. That is part of the difference between fiction and reality.
 
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Can you name me something that is outside the bible??

Just about everything more than 100 miles from Jerusalem or Rome, for starters.

Now, if you're through dodging the question, you can answer it: Name a prophecy within the Bible that was confirmed fulfilled somewhere besides in the pages of the Bible itself?

Because you must admit, if chapter 1 of a book says something will happen, and it happens in chapter 6, it hardly takes a God to pull that off.

Was he virgin born, in a place and way foretold centuries earlier, and died the same way, and rose from the dead, and was seen by many? Was his arrival year spoken of by Daniel, and does he have huckfinn psalms, detailing stuff about him? There are Messianic psalms, you know. Did all the sacrifices from Cain till Jesus point to Huck coming? Will Huck take over the earth, and did he creates it? No. That is part of the difference between fiction and reality.

And Jesus falls squarely within the realm of fiction, because anyone who's actually read the Bible objectively knows there's no way in heaven or Earth that his birth accounts can be accurate -- seeing as how they (Matthew and Luke's to be specific) contradict each other.

"Birth stories are always fanciful, they are never historical. Nobody waits outside a maternity ward waiting for a great person to be born. One is first born great, then tales presaging that future greatness begin to circulate around his or her origin." -- Bishop John Shelby Spong

As I said before, dad -- there was a time, dad, when Christianity produced some of the best thinkers and doers the world had ever known -- now it's obsessed with silencing them.

Break the trend, dad -- think!
 
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Just about everything more than 100 miles from Jerusalem or Rome, for starters.

False! Go and preach the gospel to every creature is way beyond that. Period. "In all the earth" The earth will pass away, it says, and Jesus said, not just Jerusalem. You have tunnel vision.

Now, if you're through dodging the question, you can answer it: Name a prophecy within the Bible that was confirmed fulfilled somewhere besides in the pages of the Bible itself?
You seem to try to disqualify everything that is written in His book!! If we saw Him after raising from the dead, and that was mentioned in the bible, you try to make that mean it has no meaning. No.




Because you must admit, if chapter 1 of a book says something will happen, and it happens in chapter 6, it hardly takes a God to pull that off.
If the book covers creation to eternity, your rules of of no importance, or relevance whatsoever. If God's word is preserved, in a satanic world, then we need not expect a lot of outside support! The reason He had to get it to us to start with, is because we have a faulty information access system!



And Jesus falls squarely within the realm of fiction, because anyone who's actually read the Bible objectively knows there's no way in heaven or Earth that his birth accounts can be accurate -- seeing as how they (Matthew and Luke's to be specific) contradict each other.
I don't believe you know what you are talking about. Care to make a demo??
"Birth stories are always fanciful, they are never historical. Nobody waits outside a maternity ward waiting for a great person to be born. One is first born great, then tales presaging that future greatness begin to circulate around his or her origin." -- Bishop John Shelby Spong
When that person was expected for centuries, of course we wait, with baited breath. Try reading the words of the One worth waiting for.
As I said before, dad -- there was a time, dad, when Christianity produced some of the best thinkers and doers the world had ever known -- now it's obsessed with silencing them.[//quoote]

Thinkers that reside in the box need no silencing, paranoid, much??
Break the trend, dad -- think!
Grasping for only what is inside one's head can only produce so much. What it has produced is a dangerous, and love cold world, with a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest mentality. A world that threatens to blow itself up, with so called wise men that think the universe was in a soup that would fit on the head head a pin! A world of torture, terror, and fear, and death.
 
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A world that threatens to blow itself up, with so called wise men that think the universe was in a soup that would fit on the head head a pin! A world of torture, terror, and fear, and death.

Does that include the centuries of torture, terror, fear, and death that Christians created?
 
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Let's get it start:

The Bible says: vegetation is created before the sun. (Gen 1: 11-18)

Your turn. Hope you are still laughing.

From my Old Earth Intelligent Design belief.

Vegetation was created before the sun was clearly seen from the Earth due to the cloud cover and ash that existed during the first 3 "time periods" that Genesis mentions. Light was created before the end of the first day.
 
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