Lifelong protestant considering Orthodoxy. I have some questions.

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#1. Regarding the notion of "being filled with the Holy Spirit," have any of you long-term Orthodox members observed any experientially unique supernatural occurances within the confines of the Church? I speak of spontaneous healings as a response to prayer, words of knowledge, etc.

Read the lives of the saints. I reccomend the Prologue from the Ochrid in Bible Study section of www.desertcalling.con/forum

Some gifts attributed to the Holy saints are clairvoyence, healing, incorrupt relics after death, visions, amoung other things. I've never experinced this myself but have had direct accounts from those who have. Mount Athos has holy men now who have experienced such gifts.
 
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Welcome to TAW! :hug:

Rather than ask us, I would invite you to "Come and See!" :clap:

Go to http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/ to find a parish near you. Contact the priest, let him know about your interest in Orthodoxy, and I'm sure he will be happy to answer any and all questions you may have.

Trust me, his is faaaar more educated and better at this than any of us could ever hope to be!

Here are a couple more resources that may be of assistance to you:

http://goarch.org/
http://www.oca.org/
http://antiochian.org/

Books:

Becoming Orthodox by Fr. Peter Gilquist
The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware
The Orthodox Way by Bishop Kallistos Ware

May God bless you on your journey! :crosseo:

What she said!

As for healings, I'm currently reading a great book called Blessed John the Wonderworker (a.k.a. St. John Maximovich or St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco), and half the 475 pages is all accounts of healings through his intercession.
 
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1. What is the Orthodox position regarding violence? (Note: I do not separate considerations of 'individual violence' and 'warfare'.)

There are differing opinions on this, but violence is never good and even a soldier must have a time of penance for killing.

On the extreme side, there are monks who try to not kill even insects.
2. What is the Orthodox position regarding the State? (Note: I know that the Roman Catholic church in particular has a long history of being intermingled with the business of various States. Does the Orthodox Church turn its back instead? Does the Orthodox Church deny or affirm the moral validity of the post-Old Testament, man-made State apparatus?)

The Orthodox have a long history with the State as well, though in a different manner.

3. What is the Orthodox position on the notion of 'natural law'?

The Orthodox Church understands that everything must be understood from the top down, so to speak, therefore the notion of natural law is foriegn to our theological understanding.

4. What is the Orthodox position on gambling? (Note: "Excessive" gambling need not be considered. I'm interested in the position on gambling as such--Poker, Blackjack, etc.)

Differing opinions.


5. What is the Orthodox position on polygyny? (Note: Would Orthodox missionaries, upon finding themselves in a culture where polygyny is commonly practiced, be expected to teach against this particular custom or not? Would he be allowed to condone it if a local asked of its permissibility?)

One man, one wife. Better read your NT again.

6. What is the Orthodox position on nudity? (Note: I know firsthand the Puritan-esque attitudes toward nudity within Protestantism, and I'd like to know, for instance, what an Orthodox would say about cultures in Africa and Asia where people live day-to-day in a more or less nude manner. Considersations of nude beaches found within places not stymied by a inappropriate contentography-and-Victorian-sensibilities-laden culture may also be offered.)

The Church teaches modesty. Most Protestants have done quite a lot to shed any resemblance to Puritan/Victorian "sensibilities". I think the entire culture would do well to learn a thing or two from the old Mennonites and Amish.

7. What is the Orthodox position on smoking? (Note: Again, "excessive" smoking need not be considered. I'm interested in the position on smoking as such.)

There is none.

8. What is the Orthodox position on biological evolution? (Note: I'm not here making reference to abiogenesis. I'm making reference only to the alleged common ancestry of species.)

Differing opinions.

9. What is the Orthodox position regarding God's knowledge? (Note: I know most in Protestant circles like the bandy about the term 'omniscience.' However, many others are now being drawn to the concepts of 'open theism' in which God deliberately withholds his knowledge about some things, takes some [very educated] risks, and experiences affective states such as suffering, surprise, joy, etc., as part of a relational ontology with his Creation.)

God's knowledge is an uncreated energy.

10. What is the Orthodox position regarding eternal damnation/universal reconciliation? (Note: I'd heard that there is no 'official' position on this, and that in fact Saints of the Orthodox tradition have taught both ways without being reprimanded. True?)

The notion that all will be saved as a matter of necessity is considered heretical. There is nothing wrong with the belief that, through God's mercy, it is possible that all will be saved.

11. What is the Orthodox position on spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues and the interpretation thereof, prophecy, dreams, visions, and otherwise being 'filled with the Holy Spirit,' etc.? (Note: For instance, have you observed anyone in an Orthodox service pray in tongues? If this would be abnormal, what kind of reaction would you expect, on the whole, if such a thing were to occur?)

Miracles in the Church are abundant.

12. What is the Orthodox position on the marital relations of husband and wife? (Note: Protestantism seems to have a split in this area, where many claim that, at least in moments of irreconcilable differences, wives are to follow the lead of their husbands. Others claim egalitarianism or bust.)

The man is the head of the family, as Christ is the head of the Church. It's rather clear.

*I think you meant marital relationship*

13. What is the Orthodox position on the ontology of Mary, Jesus's mother? (Note: I know the Roman Catholics seem to have a very highly esteemed conception of her, whereas protestants see her as little more than any other minor character in the story of Jesus.)

Ontologically, she is a human being like the rest of us.

Mary the Mother of God, Theotokos, holds a very special place in the hearts of all Orthodox. She is the Mother of our God, and therefore our Mother. The Chief of the Saints, so holy that she was chosen to bear the Son.

14. What is the Orthodox position on prayer? (Note: Do Orthodox members pray directly to anyone other than God himself? If so, to whom, and why?)

Of course. We pray also to the Saints and the Angels.

An older definition of prayer is to beseech.

15. What is the Orthodox position on birth control? (Note: I know this may seem like a silly question, but I know the Roman Catholics condemn it and I have no idea what the Orthodoxy is doing with this issue.)

Sex is a life-creating act. To intentionally divide it from this purpose is a sin.

Some will argue otherwise, but it is the universal teaching of the Saints of the Church. Even Protestants universally agreed with this not to long ago.

16. What happens, start-to-finish, in a Sunday morning Orthodox service? What would I be expected to wear (suit, tie, belt, etc.?)? I've never been!

Dress respectfully and modestly.
 
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Is this assertion the result of one of the Seven Councils or some other authoritative source? I ask because I hear this all the time, yet I've never come across anyone provide any documentation for its condemnation. Clearly the Jewish Patriarchs of the Old Testament practiced polygyny (even within the blessing of God), and I personally have not read any moral dismissal of it after the inception of the new covenant in the New Testament. In fact, a book written sometime in the 1800s (the exact year escapes me) called The History and Philosophy of Marriage, written by a well-traveled and learned Christian historian, had much to say of the influence of Roman paganism on the Christian church's widespread jettisoning of the Jewish practice of polygyny. It's a very revealing book, I think.

Rather than answer your question directly, I am going to invite you to read the below Encyclical from the Holy Synod of Bishops of the Orthodox Church in America on Marriage. I think it does a great job explaining what the Orthodox view on Marriage is, and in doing so, will answer your question.

http://www.oca.org/DOCencyclical.asp?SID=12&ID=4

You may be wondering why I am constantly referring to other sources, rather than answer the question directly.

This is because I feel that I can not begin to express what the Church has already written on the matter. Also, I would not want to misquote the Church fathers, for fear of misdirecting you in any way, shape, or form.
 
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Dear Vigilante,

You ask for the Orthodox position on these things, and if my Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters will permit an Oriental Orthodox to attempt to answer for his Church, then I shall make an effort as best I can.
1. What is the Orthodox position regarding violence? (Note: I do not separate considerations of 'individual violence' and 'warfare'.)
We take Our Lord's words seriously here; thou shalt not kill. We do not become soldiers or serve in the armed forces. Given the violence carried out against Copts by some misguided Muslims, this is not a risk free or academic position; it is one that costs; but look what it cost Him whom Heaven and earth adore.

2. What is the Orthodox position regarding the State? (Note: I know that the Roman Catholic church in particular has a long history of being intermingled with the business of various States. Does the Orthodox Church turn its back instead? Does the Orthodox Church deny or affirm the moral validity of the post-Old Testament, man-made State apparatus?)
Having been subject to persecution by the state for most of its history, the Coptic Church renders unto Caesar only those things which are his; for the rest of it, we try to stay out of its way and pray.

3. What is the Orthodox position on the notion of 'natural law'?
Here I am very happy to defer to Lotar, for our understanding is expressed very well in his words.

4. What is the Orthodox position on gambling? (Note: "Excessive" gambling need not be considered. I'm interested in the position on gambling as such--Poker, Blackjack, etc.)
We do not permit gambling; it is the gateway to much sin.

5. What is the Orthodox position on polygyny? (Note: Would Orthodox missionaries, upon finding themselves in a culture where polygyny is commonly practiced, be expected to teach against this particular custom or not? Would he be allowed to condone it if a local asked of its permissibility?)
Lotar's expression of it puts it better than I could.

6. What is the Orthodox position on nudity? (Note: I know firsthand the Puritan-esque attitudes toward nudity within Protestantism, and I'd like to know, for instance, what an Orthodox would say about cultures in Africa and Asia where people live day-to-day in a more or less nude manner. Considersations of nude beaches found within places not stymied by a inappropriate contentography-and-Victorian-sensibilities-laden culture may also be offered.)
The culture within which the Faith was first received was not unlike our own in the West. Those cultures where nudity is still common are now few, and I would not know what we would say about them; in the West we would concur with Lotar's view.

7. What is the Orthodox position on smoking? (Note: Again, "excessive" smoking need not be considered. I'm interested in the position on smoking as such.)
We discourage it as harmful to the health; the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and we should not damage it.

8. What is the Orthodox position on biological evolution? (Note: I'm not here making reference to abiogenesis. I'm making reference only to the alleged common ancestry of species.)
I know of no declared teaching on this.

9. What is the Orthodox position regarding God's knowledge? (Note: I know most in Protestant circles like the bandy about the term 'omniscience.' However, many others are now being drawn to the concepts of 'open theism' in which God deliberately withholds his knowledge about some things, takes some [very educated] risks, and experiences affective states such as suffering, surprise, joy, etc., as part of a relational ontology with his Creation.)
God is omniscient; we are not. Any misunderstandings stem from that.


10. What is the Orthodox position regarding eternal damnation/universal reconciliation? (Note: I'd heard that there is no 'official' position on this, and that in fact Saints of the Orthodox tradition have taught both ways without being reprimanded. True?)
I will happily accept correction form Lotar or others here, but my understanding is that Origen's doctrine of Apocatastasis is condemned because it teaches that all must be saved. That is heresy because it seeks to tell us what God will do. Only He knows that. A statement that all might be saved is not, as I understand it, heretical.

11. What is the Orthodox position on spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues and the interpretation thereof, prophecy, dreams, visions, and otherwise being 'filled with the Holy Spirit,' etc.? (Note: For instance, have you observed anyone in an Orthodox service pray in tongues? If this would be abnormal, what kind of reaction would you expect, on the whole, if such a thing were to occur?)
Lotar said it first and best.

12. What is the Orthodox position on the marital relations of husband and wife? (Note: Protestantism seems to have a split in this area, where many claim that, at least in moments of irreconcilable differences, wives are to follow the lead of their husbands. Others claim egalitarianism or bust.)
Mutual love and respect. The man is head of the household and serves his wife and family thus.

13. What is the Orthodox position on the ontology of Mary, Jesus's mother? (Note: I know the Roman Catholics seem to have a very highly esteemed conception of her, whereas protestants see her as little more than any other minor character in the story of Jesus.)
As the Most Holy and Blessed Theotokos she is the crown of our race - i.e. she is human, but so obedient was she to God that we hold she lived her life without sin; what an example to us all.

14. What is the Orthodox position on prayer? (Note: Do Orthodox members pray directly to anyone other than God himself? If so, to whom, and why?)
When you need help, you call on all your friends and all sources of aid. So we pray to God, be we're happy to ask others to intercede there too. we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses; let us invoke them too. I don't know about you, but I'm open to all the help I can get.

15. What is the Orthodox position on birth control? (Note: I know this may seem like a silly question, but I know the Roman Catholics condemn it and I have no idea what the Orthodoxy is doing with this issue.)
My own Church allows none abortificants in cases of need; consultation with one's priest is advised.

16. What happens, start-to-finish, in a Sunday morning Orthodox service? What would I be expected to wear (suit, tie, belt, etc.?)? I've never been!
Dress as you would if going to your Father's house to meet the whole family - that's what you're doing. Be prepared for lots of time on your feet and lots of time prostrating; Orthodoxy is a very physical form of the Faith. Also, at the end, be prepared to be welcomed with lots of food and enquiries about yourself.

Orthodoxy is expressed in worship, which is our theology; come and see.

peace,

(and I hope I have offended none in this house)

Anglian
 
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Really? I'd read that a few, even St. Gregory of Nyssa, espoused universal reconciliation. I'd also read that Origen was anathematized, but this was because of his belief in the pre-existence of souls (among other things) rather than his advocacy of universalism.
Lotar and Anglian's answers were good enough, but just in case you are still skeptical:

"If anyone says or thinks that the punishment of demons and of impious men is only temporary, and will one day have an end, and that a restoration (ἀποκατάστασις) will take place of demons and of impious men, let him be anathema."
- The Anathematisms of the Emperor Justinian Against Origen.
(Part and parcel of the The Fifth Ecumenical Council).

People can speculate about the unending mercy of God all they want. They cannot teach apokastasis as a doctrine.
 
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11. What is the Orthodox position on spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues and the interpretation thereof, prophecy, dreams, visions, and otherwise being 'filled with the Holy Spirit,' etc.? (Note: For instance, have you observed anyone in an Orthodox service pray in tongues? If this would be abnormal, what kind of reaction would you expect, on the whole, if such a thing were to occur?)

I'd invite you to read 'The Charismatic Revival as a Sign of the Times' by Hieromonk Seraphim Rose. We do believe that there are charismatic elders present in the Church, but they are very holy, very devout and often monastic -- you'd need to visit the elders on Mt. Athos who are imbued with the Holy Spirit through a life of strict asceticism, devoutness, and the fear of God, who have died to the flesh and become as angels to men. The charismania present in most Pentecostal/Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel/Jesus Only groups are foreign, and seen as dangerous, to the Orthodox community.

Read the Desert Fathers and the Lives of the Saints to get a better understanding of the Orthodox idea of charismatic Christians.

Here's one that comes to mind, which definitely shows that miracles can and do occur, and through a life of virtue and asceticism great things can be achieved through grace:

Abba Lot went to see Abba Joseph and said to him, 'Abba, as far as I can I say my rule of prayer, I fast, I pray and meditate, I live in peace, and as far as I can, I purify my thoughts. What else can I do?' Then Abba Joseph stood up and stretched his hands towards heaven. His fingers became like ten lamps of fire, and he said to him, 'If you will, you can become all flame.'
 
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yeah, I'd have to agree with whoever said come and see. get some books or podcasts by Fr Thomas Hopko (you can find the podcasts at Ancient Faith Radio on the net), and then start attending services and talk to the priest of your local parish. let God illumine you on His Holy Church.

and welcome to TAW!
 
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The real first question to be answered, and the only one that matters; the one that informs, confirms, and decides all other issues, is

Who do we say that Christ is? What do we teach about Him?
 
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The real first question to be answered, and the only one that matters; the one that informs, confirms, and decides all other issues, is

Who do we say that Christ is? What do we teach about Him?

A VERY insightful point. :thumbsup:

LOVE the screen-name btw!! :D
 
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Abba Lot went to see Abba Joseph and said to him, 'Abba, as far as I can I say my rule of prayer, I fast, I pray and meditate, I live in peace, and as far as I can, I purify my thoughts. What else can I do?' Then Abba Joseph stood up and stretched his hands towards heaven. His fingers became like ten lamps of fire, and he said to him, 'If you will, you can become all flame.'

I love that story, our priest told us this in his homily on Pentecost Vigil.

Although in the story he related beams of light came from the hermit's fingers and he said "you can become a flame of love."

Amazing how concurrent the ancient traditions are between Rome, Constantinople, and Alexandria even though all three are separate communions.

Anglian probably remembers that story, LOL! ^_^ (its a Copt thing....:thumbsup:)
 
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