You equating the devil to god since he can "influence" man to the point of "turning" his will... no question about it.. and no way to get out of it...
Since all mankind have sin as a present tense dwelling and all have done sins actions in their bodies and all sin is OF THE DEVIL there is no getting out of or around the facts.
What is phony is your equation of the devil to God. God in Christ can eradicate every work of sin and it's workers (the devil and his messengers,) dry up every tear and still be Absolute Perfection and HE WILL do this.
You do by saying that the devil makes you do evil things by not taking care of the responsibility of your actions you "elevate" devil to God...
I never said the 'devil' makes me or you do anything. Sin transpires in our flesh and that SIN is OF THE DEVIL. Are YOU the devil? In that way SIN is ours as it pertains to the flesh. Believers are not 'in the flesh.'
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
No one is condemning you are condeming them by saying God predestines them... are you not?
I condemn no one of mankind and all of devil kind. What's yer gripe? That I blame the devil for the devil's works and read that God in Christ Is The Saviour of all mankind?
That's what I was talking about earlier. WE ALL read and reflect what is IN OUR OWN HEARTS. So obviously what has been reflected in you is vastly different than what is reflected in me. I really could care less about reflections that result in FALSELY seeing my fellow mankind burned alive forever in fire. That is nothing more than EVIL being reflected in believers. I do not blame THEM as God's offspring for that reflection, but it DOES show us openly what is in the heart eh?
You do not know who is going where??? And there is defenately a hell or Christ's words are not valid. You merely try to run away with it.
I have no issues whatsoever with 'hell' or eternal torture/eradication. All those scriptures are fully applicable.
Do you try to live a sin "free" life? or you blame all your actions on the devil?
When you eradicate the evil present with you you can come and save me. Til then I'll LIVE with the facts that scripture has on these matters and not your attempts of false spin doctoring.
I would not think what the devil "tries" to do with me either... and trying for 'forcing" me to sin are two different things ultimately though I am the one falling not the devil... As the devil has no hypostasis...He is a spirit...and I am not a "demoniac" last time I checked..
Part of the problem is that your brain is SO locked into blaming mankind and mankind only you have nowhere else to look. I can say the DEVIL SINS in the flesh all day and you will only be able to hear I SIN and MY FELLOW MANKIND sins.
Phony whine???
I just echo back your claims dear Squint... "The devil made me do it" claim...
Uh, no, but
that is all you are allowed to hear by that same working. Let's face the facts. You CAN'T implicate the DEVIL in YOUR sins or any other persons sins.
The DEVIL won't allow you to do that and there is NOTHING you can do to change it.
He does not. But are we? Told you before if WE did not there won't be any goodness in this world... God is a spirit He works through us who synergetically will to do God's work....If the devil was as powerful there would not have been any goodness in our world...then... and most of us are siding with the good. We sin we repent and we sin some more but people are capable of doing good most of the time.
No doom theology....
I'd consider the DEVIL in believers murder our fellow mankind every waking moment when they condemn our fellow man not just to ETERNALLY DIE, but in most cases BURN ALIVE FOREVER. Not all evil is open and apparent. It transpires IN THE HEART.
Sin entered him cause he allowed it...
God GAVE the devil access to the flesh and mind
OR THE DEVIL WOULDN'T HAVE that access. The DEVIL is an ANTI-SPIRITUAL PREDATOR that GOD MADE not much different than a LION (LYIN') in the JUNGLE.
How come Paul did not let his sin to disobey God and go in vacation instead of preaching the Gospel? He chose not to do that and follow the will of God...
Paul clearly SEPARATED himself from the sin indwelling him and the EVIL present with him, which he prior did not know out of IGNORANCE. Romans 7:17-21)
To be enslaved you have to participate in that enslavement as one can be so while the other person is not...It is a matter of choice.
No blinded slave has a 'choice' in being a blinded slave. IF God does not allow LIGHT upon that person they will REMAIN a totally blinded SLAVE by the POWER of the DEVIL.
I do not and nowhere I said it does happens. God is the ultimate judge not me neither you.
No, in YOUR MIND it is YOU who are the 'ultimate judge.' You openly CONDEMN your fellow man to be burned alive forever for not believing 'like you' and you do not implicate the DEVIL in these matters whatSOever.
And I do not BLAME you as God's child for that working knowing WHO it comes from. It is a REFLECTION of WHO is ALSO in your heart.
I follow the teachings of Christ about faith in him and his commandments something you totally ignore,
Sure. You really think you LOVE your neighbors as YOURSELF whilst simultaneously CONDEMNING nearly ALL of them to be BURNED ALIVE FOREVER for not 'believing like YOU?' lol
and keep saying we are overcome by the devil...
I don't consider what comes out of your heart is even you as God's child. Not all that transpires in people is ONLY OF THEM.
Why would Christ give us commandments we "cannot" reach or do???? Why he said be perfect as my Father?
You're right. NO ONE can love their neighbors as themselves unless GOD IN THEM does so.
God IS Love.
Any way you call it you taught them to remain moral and not sin...That is wonderful!!!! Thanks for sharing that.
You're still not getting the picture here and you may not. What I tell them I say by scriptures that THEY are not alone in flesh and mind and that I pray that they DISCERN the difference between themselves and the EVIL that is present with them that IS NOT THEM as Gods children. They are all fervent believers who do not condemn their fellow mankind to be burned alive forever because
they KNOW the difference between those they are to LOVE and the EVIL that is obviously present with all mankind. The ONES I warn them the most about are THE HYPOCRITES who are WITH mankind and THESE are found primarily in the churches. THESE are the ONES who promote the vilest HATRED of our fellow man and they do it EN MASSE and behind RELIGIOUS GARB.
I am glad that you did as sometimes I feel people who beleive they are not "responsible for their actions" go on and live with no remorse ....blaming it all to the devil....
You can smear yourself and your fellow man all day. That is only how you are allowed/led to see and what is reflected IN you. All the 'freewill' in the WORLD cannot DIVIDE you from what is IN YOUR FLESH. That DIVISION is only done BY GOD in mankind.
The "EVIDENCE" of your personal division is when GOD in you ACTUALLY DOES LOVE all of our fellow man and does not CONDEMN them to be burned alive forever. We know by FRUIT or LACK of same.
I do not consider those who OPENLY PROMOTE mankind's burning alive forever to be bearing ANY fruit whatsoever. There is NO GREATER HATRED available on the planet earth. That is A FIG TREE with NO FIGS. It LOOKS like a FIG tree but there is NOTHING ON IT.
Matthew 21:19
And when he saw a fig tree in the way,
he came to it,
and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it,
Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
I never tell my daughter to judge others for their shortcomings and sins..
Are you kidding me? You surely OPENLY condemn ALL UNbelieving mankind to be BURNED alive forever don't you? You do so HERE. You also AGREE with that every Sunday you sit in the pew. Why would you do any different with her? I don't allow such hatred in my HOME nor will I conceed to such in the pew. It is institutionalized, formalized, ritualized HATRED and self justification.
That is not her place to do and be judgmental...
Oh, yeah. Not YOU but GOD as YOU see it. All I say to that nonsense is SURE...not YOU. I KNOW who that is really FROM. And you're RIGHT you as God's child DO NOT...but there is OBVIOUSLY something IN YOU that DOES so, and does so with SUBTILTY.
What I tell her though is that she has to look after her own shortcoming and live a life according to Christ's commandments.
One has nothing to do with the other... Just because I believe in Free will that does not make me a judge dear Squint
You can be led to spin your reality anyway you want. You ARE for no uncertain fact LED to judge your BLINDED UNbelieving mankind to be burned alive forever.
I do NOT blame YOU as God's child for doing that.
I know wills are impaired and "fallen" since the fall so it is hard to stay sinless in this world why would I judge others who fall while I am a terrible sinner also .... that would indeed be hypoctitical of me...
Uh huh. And you CAN'T see the ripe hypocrisy in your own statements.
You KNOW 'wills' are IMPAIRED and FALLEN yet you claim them FREE and you BLAME ONLY your fellow mankind for works of the DEVIL.
So what else is new in the world of religion?
The FACT of these matters remain that SIN ENTERED Adam and that SIN was OF THE DECEIVER who HAD ACCESS to Adams flesh and MIND.
enjoy!
squint
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