Just an FYI

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

I don't know if this is against the "no politics rule" if so, take it down but this is not a discussion on politics per say...

I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention one of the "Catholics for Obama" shinning members is that wack-a-do priest from Chicago Micheal what's his name.

So if anyone questioned the legitimacy of this group, it's a closed matter now... it's not a valid group. It is just another radical left wing group. It's just a shame that ppl want to use their faith just to push a leftist agenda trying to give it credibility.

MikeK · Oct 6, 2008

benedictaoo said:
I don't know if this is against the "no politics rule" if so, take it down but this is not a discussion on politics per say...

I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention one of the "Catholics for Obama" shinning members is that wack-a-do priest from Chicago Micheal what's his name.

So if anyone questioned the legitimacy of this group, it's a closed matter now... it's not a valid group. It is just another radical left wing group. It's just a shame that ppl want to use their faith just to push a leftist agenda trying to give it credibility.

One member of a group being a loon is enough for you to consider an entire group to be iletitimate? Wow. You must loathe the catholic Church, it has all sorts of whackjob members. It must not be legitimate either.

You know who hates Catholics and wants them tortured and killed? White people. Hitler was white, and he hated Catholics. All white people must hate Catholics, "it's a closed matter now".

Come on Benny. I refuse to believe that you aren't a more logical person than that. Would you denounce the Republican party as illegitimate if I produced a single member of the party who we agreed was a bad man?

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

Aren't we supposed to never speak ill of our priests?

geocajun · Oct 6, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Aren't we supposed to never speak ill of our priests?

Oh noes, what has she done! We must pray for Benne's soul.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

Normally but this one is an exception. I don't even consider him a priest. He's an activist and denouncing him is not speaking ill. I had a few talks with my own priests about this. There is nothing about him we can over look or condone. he is just plain wrong.

But not to deflect from the deflection.. if this priest is a member of Catholics for Obama then it's just not a legitimate group. It's an extreme left wing radical group who mixes faith with politics, much like the Black libertarian theology does.

It's just wrong to mix faith with politics. It should not be done.

geocajun · Oct 6, 2008

benedictaoo said:
Normally but this one is an exception. I don't even consider him a priest.

I stopped reading after that. You just remember you said that next time someone says that about your favorite right-winger bishop next time he makes a you-must-vote-mccain pronouncement.

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

So we can speak ill of priests if we don't personally like them. Was he validly ordained? If so....he's a priest.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

I'm not arguing about the priest Shannon... he is a wack a do and many priest in my area have spoken out against him... and when you are in error, there is nothing with exposing that... but if you think the wrong is to speak ill (debatable if what i said is "ill") of a this priest even when what we say is true about him... it's even more to mix our Catholic theology with political ideology and the erroneous black liberation theology and THAT is what that priest does.

Ordination not with standing and another FYI, the man holds open communion... he allows non Catholics and radical political activist to give homilies during Mass! and he allows anyone and every to come for the Eucharist.

My only hope is that his consecration is not valid since I doubt he has proper form... so if you think speaking out against his blasphemy is speaking ill of a priest, so be it, but I see nothing wrong with it becuase ppl do need to know what the priest is about.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

geocajun said:
I stopped reading after that. You just remember you said that next time someone says that about your favorite right-winger bishop next time he makes a you-must-vote-mccain pronouncement.

What ever-- we are not talking about a run of the mill liberal priest.. We are talking about a priest who disrespects his own bishop and the Mass itself. A priest who thinks Farrakhan is prophetic.

"Catholics for Obama" is nothing more then an extreme politically charged radical leftist group that uses (more like abuses) the name "Catholic" in it... other then the title, there is very little that is actually Catholic about this group and the Chicago priest's involvement just proves that...

geocajun · Oct 6, 2008

benedictaoo said:
What ever-- we are not talking about a run of the mill liberal priest.. We are talking about a priest who disrespects his own bishop and the Mass itself. A priest who thinks Farrakhan is prophetic.

"Catholics for Obama" is nothing more then an extreme politically charged radical leftist group that uses (more like abuses) the name "Catholic" in it... other then the title, there is very little that is actually Catholic about this group and the Chicago priest's involvement just proves that...

Saints alive! Pray for Benne and her blasphemy of this holy and sacred priest.

Also pray that she take a critical thinking course and learn how to avoid ad hominem fallacies which have led her to taking this sinful position of blasting a holy priest for the sake of her political desires.

She knows not what she does! Have mercy!

I for one am deeeply scandalized by your attacking this man of God, this holy holy holy holy holy servant of the most high!
My outrage runs deep. Sooo deep.

Think of the kids, Benne. The kids who will lose their faith over your post.

You must repent! the kingdom is near!

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

Why would you hope that a Mass is invalid? No one at my parish has ever been turned away from communion, there are never any announcements or signs about who can or cannot rceive communion, we routinely have people not priests or deacons give homilies. Can I call my priest names, too?

So just to be clear, you can speak il of a priest, if you don't personally like them--that's what you're saying right??

YOu need to crack open your Pieta Prayer booklet:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/athepieta.html

CRITICISM OF PRIESTS
"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he's in error, rather one should pray and do penance that I'll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn't live after My example!" (page 29, Mutter Vogel's Worldwide Love, St. Grignion Publishing House, Altoting, South Germany (29. 6. 1929)).

When a Priest falls we should extend him a helping hand THROUGH PRAYER AND NOT THROUGH ATTACKS! "I myself will be his judge, NO ONE BUT I!" "Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over Me; child, never let a Priest be attacked, take up his defense." (Feast of Christ the King 1937) "Child, Never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for Him) (18.6. 1939)&nsp; "Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a Priest, and speak no unkind word (about them) EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE! Every Priest is My Vicar and My heart will be sickened and insulted because of it! If you hear a judgment (against a Priest) pray a Hail Mary." (28. 6. 1939)

"If you see a Priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily then say nothing about him, rather tell it to Me alone! I stand beside him on the altar!" "Oh pray much for My priests, that they'll love purity above all, that they'll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart. Certainly the Holy Sacrifice is one and the same even when it is celebrated by an unworthy priest, but the graces called down upon the people is not the same!" (28. 2. 1938)

Mary. Queen of the Clergy, pray for them.

geocajun · Oct 6, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Why would you hope that a Mass is invalid? No one at my parish has ever been turned away from communion, there are never any announcements or signs about who can or cannot rceive communion, we routinely have people not priests or deacons give homilies. Can I call my priest names, too?

So just to be clear, you can speak il of a priest, if you don't personally like them--that's what you're saying right??

YOu need to crack open your Pieta Prayer booklet:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/athepieta.html

Benne made baby Jesus cry.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

What ever-- it still does not take away from the fact that "Catholics for Obama" is nothing but an extreme far to the left, as left as one can go, political group that has nothing to do with legitimate Catholicism.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

Why would I hope??!!

Because of what Jesus would have to endure.

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Why would you hope that a Mass is invalid? No one at my parish has ever been turned away from communion, there are never any announcements or signs about who can or cannot rceive communion, we routinely have people not priests or deacons give homilies. Can I call my priest names, too?

So just to be clear, you can speak il of a priest, if you don't personally like them--that's what you're saying right??

YOu need to crack open your Pieta Prayer booklet:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/athepieta.html

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

and Shannon, last time so lets clear this up.. your view is I'm knocking a priest but my view is, I'm defending Christ in the Eucharist.

Read up on how this man conducts Mass and read up on his pro abortion views, says "who else is gonna take care of the babies..." that's why he is for abortion.

This man is no true priest thus deserves no respect form me.

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

Why would I hope??!!

Because of what Jesus would have to endure.

Does the bad outweigh the good of those souls who receive worthily? If so- then we might as well not even have Mass in the US.

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

I doubt many receive worthily since the majority of them are all pro abortion.. read up on him and his parish, Shannon. The error he has lead them all into. It's an outrage and why i say any association with him invalidates any group.

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

benedictaoo said:
and Shannon, last time so lets clear this up.. your view is I'm knocking a priest but my view is, I'm defending Christ in the Eucharist.

Read up on how this man conducts Mass and read up on his pro abortion views, says "who else is gonna take care of the babies..." that's why he is for abortion.

This man is no true priest thus deserves no respect form me.

He's been validly ordained- won't he be a priest forever, regardless of your disrespect? Isn't there a way to speak of a group preaching false teaching, without calling a priest names--but rather confining one's words to things like "the priest involved with this group has been teaching things contrary to the Church." Itis possible to focus on actions, and not the quality or dignity of the person. You know- hate the sin, love the sinner.

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 6, 2008

benedictaoo said:
I doubt many receive worthily since the majority of them are all pro abortion.. read up on him and his parish, Shannon. The error he has lead them all into. It's an outrage and why i say any association with him invalidates any group.

How can you possibly prsume to know the interworkings of other people's souls? Perhpas they lack full freedom or knowledge and being fed JEsus' Body and Blood will be what eventually leads them out of their error....why would you hope otherwise?

benedictaoo · Oct 6, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
He's been validly ordained- won't he be a priest forever, regardless of your disrespect? Isn't there a way to speak of a group preaching false teaching, without calling a priest names--but rather confining one's words to things like "the priest involved with this group has been teaching things contrary to the Church." Itis possible to focus on actions, and not the quality or dignity of the person. You know- hate the sin, love the sinner.

Calling him a "wack-a-do" is hardly speaking to the quality of his dignity. he is a wacky priest who says and does wacky things...

You can not hold open communion to non Catholics Shannon and you can not invite Al Sharpton to give a homily at Sunday mass.

The man is in serious error and this what "Catholics for Obabm" is all about. A radical political agenda that is in error. I think it's worth bringing it to ppl's attention.

It is a known fact that this priest is an activist first and not a priest at heart... Shannon, dont defend him til you do your own homework. He even says as much about himself and says if his bishop pushes him too far over the way he runs his parish or tries to re assign him, he will leave the priesthood, he is the one who does not think highly of his dignity as a priest.

The man also openly attacks his bishop... the man is not just a priest in error. The man is really way out there. he adopted two African American kids and I DO commend him for that but a priest adopting children? It's just not appropriate and you know that.

The man does not really want to be a priest... he just uses it to preach his radical leftist political agenda.

I do admire him for wanting to help an at risk community but come on... he is going about it all the wrong way and really harming the faith.

He said to one person who wanted to talk to him about his pro abortion views, "I'll pray for you hard heart..." Okay, so if we aren't pro abortion, we are hard hearted?

Come on Shannon, there is not a lot thee to defend and I think Christ would want us to make clear to everyone that this person doe not represent what a priest should be and is to be.

"Catholics for Obama" is not a legitimate "Catholic" voice. It is a radical group with a political agenda who mixes theology with politics, hardly Catholic.

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